Question about grains in food/treats

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Chris & China (GA)

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I know that a lot of advice is available about keeping away from foods and treats with corn, wheat or soy in them, but what about rice, brown rice, barley and oatmeal? Are they just as bad? Better but not great? OK in small amounts (like as an ingredient in treats?)

I'm curious because I've been doing a lot of reading through the ingredients from some of the different flavors of treats listed on the low carb list ...even Blue Buffalo which has several "recommended" treats has some flavors with brown rice and oatmeal included in the ingredient list. I've also been reading a lot of labels when buying food and see rice, rice flour, barley/barley flour included
 
I stay away from anything that lists flour as an ingredient. I had treats that had chickpea flour as the second ingredient. I was told that they were low carb but when I did the research I found out that this flour, as is most flour, is high carb.
 
I don't see Blue Buffalo anywhere on the treat list that I pass along to members. Which list are you looking at? Is the Blue Buffalo name hidden somewhere in one of the links and I'm just not seeing it?

The list of low carb healthy treats I send to people says this
Anything that is 100% meat with nothing else is best.
 
You're right Deb...I'm sorry...I was looking through the list below, and while I was at one of the links, I just happened to notice Blue Wilderness Chicken and Trout Grain-Free Cat Treats (made by Blue Buffalo) that looks like it'd be OK, and then started looking at more of their flavors, some of which do have Oatmeal or brown rice as an ingredient.

That just brought the question up about all the other labels I'd been reading in the past few months that included rice, rice flour, barley, etc. If I see corn or wheat, I immediately put it down, (as I do with the other grains)...it's just something I've always wondered about

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It's not just the grains in the foods that contribute to a higher carb content. It's fruits and vegetables too.

In an attempt to keep costs low, to substitute for the grains without adding more meat, some manufacturers have substituted potatoes or some form of peas ( green, yellow, pea flour, pea meal) or tapioca or another starch or other fruits and vegetables. They have learned that many people know grains in cat food are not necessary but they are still trying to make the foods appealing to the human consumer. "Huum. I like to eat blueberries and potatoes and carrots and cranberries and peas. It's good for me, should be good for my cat."

The cat would like to be thrown a chunk of raw meat. The human can't deal with that.

Yes, some of the cat foods on Dr. Lisa Pierson's cat food list do contain some grains. Like the Friskies contains some rice. The carb content is still low enough to be under 10% so you know the amount of rice in the Friskies has to be very small.

If we all lived in a perfect world, where we had enough resources to feed our cats appropriate food, we'd probably all be feeding raw. :o

If the food manufacturers cared about the quality of their food, they would change the ingredients. Grains and fruits and vegetables are cheap. Fat is cheap. Meat is expensive. :sad:

As to weather or not a particular treat with a little bit of carbs will raise your cats BG levels, well that is something you could experiment with. ECID. You need to test for your cat. It's an unknown quality. There also hasn't been anyone that took the time and months long effort to get the as fed value data from all the manufacturers and calculate the carb percentage for all the treats that are available.

We are fortunate that vet Dr. Pierson feels strongly enough about cat food nutrition that she does take up this massive effort with the canned foods. It was months of work for her to do this. Diabetic cats rejoice at her commitment.

I know that a lot of advice is available about keeping away from foods and treats with corn, wheat or soy in them, but what about rice, brown rice, barley and oatmeal? Are they just as bad? Better but not great? OK in small amounts (like as an ingredient in treats?)
Are other grains bad? Well one of the other diabetic cat forums bans all foods with grains. Friskies is forbidden. Are small amounts ok? I would have to say we just don't know for each cat. I know that my Wink is carb sensitive and couple of ounces of Friskies raises his BG about 20-30 points. With other alternatives, the pure meat freeze dried etc,, we have never really checked.
 
I wasn't in any way implying anything....I've been using Dr. Lisa Pierson's cat food list extensively myself. My post was more meant to be a general question since we DO hear about corn and wheat alot and that we need to watch for them in choosing foods, I was just curious about some of the other grains. I figured they weren't good (since cats are obligate carnivores), but didn't know if the ones we don't talk so much about were any different..as in "better than wheat/corn, but worse than real meat" as an ingredient.

I've trusted this board with China's life and health over the vet's recommendations and I'm SO happy I did! Without the knowledge I've gained here, I would have done as he told me, kept her on M/D dry and started on 4 units/once day....and I know now that could have had heartbreaking results.

Thanks for the explanations!!
 
chrisluvsanimals said:
I wasn't in any way implying anything....I've been using Dr. Lisa Pierson's cat food list extensively myself. My post was more meant to be a general question since we DO hear about corn and wheat alot and that we need to watch for them in choosing foods, I was just curious about some of the other grains. I figured they weren't good (since cats are obligate carnivores), but didn't know if the ones we don't talk so much about were any different..as in "better than wheat/corn, but worse than real meat" as an ingredient.

I've trusted this board with China's life and health over the vet's recommendations and I'm SO happy I did! Without the knowledge I've gained here, I would have done as he told me, kept her on M/D dry and started on 4 units/once day....and I know now that could have had heartbreaking results.

Thanks for the explanations!!
I didn't think you were implying anything.

Wheat and corn are probably the top two foods that cause sensitivities. IBD, vomiting, diarrhea, allergic reactions that erupt in the skin, etc. That's probably why there is so much talk corn and wheat.

We do sometimes hear of cats that have sensitivities to gluten or soy. So for those cats other grains can cause an issue and are not good to feed.

For meats, the top two problem makers are probably beef and fish. Some cats can't eat these without vomiting.
 
The thing to remember whether looking at food or treat labels is this. If it contains ingredients that are carbs, whether it's wheat, rice, peas, carrots, corn, etc. it is not a good idea to give to a diabetic cat.

There are a lot of foods that state they are grain free and that's wonderful, but they are not carb free. And sometimes it is challenging to figure out whether an ingredient that sounds decent is a carb or not. For example, peas, carrots, potatoes are not grains, they are vegetables, but they are also high carb vegetables. So, ideally you want to avoid these foods.



Grain free seems to be the latest term that pet food companies are using to entice buyers into thinking their food is good and carb free, when it may not be because other ingredients are used as fillers. It's similar to saying gluten free for human food. Just cause it's gluten free doesn't mean it's low fat or low carb.....

Make sense?
 
Thank you Hillary!! I had wondered about the peas, carrots, potatoes and "starches" that I'm seeing in a lot of ingredient labels (and yes, I'm seeing a lot of "Grain Free" in big letters on all kinds of things, but when you read the ingredient list, they don't have wheat or corn, but have other "flours" and vegetables/fruits
 
and that's the problem - it's the latest buzz word and marketing term.

Like all natural, fresh not frozen, gluten free, etc.... marketing ploys to make you think that you are buying healthy and while it may be healthy, it's not diabetic friendly and that is the way you need to think, when shopping.

Look at the Atkins diet, (not the prepared foods) but the true diet to follow - it's a no carb, high protein diet. You won't see corn, carrots, peas, potatoes, fruits (unless it's berries) on the diet. Now does that mean you can't eat those foods, no it doesn't, as long as you know that even those these are all natural, gluten free, fresh not frozen, they still contain starch/carbs and Atkins diet doesn't do carbs.

Read the label for the ingredient list and not the buzz words. If something jumps out like pea flour or pea meal, google it and see what it really is and then decide if it's worth giving to the cat or not.

Of course if the ingredient says 100% chicken, beef or fish....well you can rest assured that is safe to feed! ;-)
 
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