PMBG 151, +1-101, +2-79, +3-84, Dazed and confused

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What is the likely hood that my vet misdiagnosed kitty? My numbers do not make any sense to me with a diabetic cat. Can you guys please look at my spreadsheet and give me your opinions?

Thanks!
 
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Oh and I am the guy with the Hills c/d crap 22%carb diet.
 
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Hi there!

Are you using an alpha trak meter or a human one? What was the vet's reading that made him/her diagnose feline diabetes? Oftentimes the vet gets higher readings because kitty is stressed there, which will raise the BG. Imho, and I am not an expert, but those don't look like diabetic numbers to me, especially if you are just starting insulin.

I'm sure someone more experienced will weigh in soon, tho.
 
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I haven't seen your other posts - why is your kitty not on a low carb, wet food? I wonder if you switched over if your cat's BG would dip down into a lower normal range on its own.
 
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Hi, welcome to Lantus Land! A lot of times diet can be the deciding factor. Have you posted before? Here or in Health? if we could get a link in for any other posts it would help.
 
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Anne&Muffin said:
Hi there!

Are you using an alpha trak meter or a human one? What was the vet's reading that made him/her diagnose feline diabetes? Oftentimes the vet gets higher readings because kitty is stressed there, which will raise the BG. Imho, and I am not an expert, but those don't look like diabetic numbers to me, especially if you are just starting insulin.

I'm sure someone more experienced will weigh in soon, tho.
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Human meter. My cat had a very serious upper respiratory disease. He was having a hard time breathing and did not eat for a couple days. He was in bad shape and had a BG reading of 580 at the vet.
 
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Amanda said:
I haven't seen your other posts - why is your kitty not on a low carb, wet food? I wonder if you switched over if your cat's BG would dip down into a lower normal range on its own.
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He is on hills c/d because he has had issues in the past with crystals in his urine.
 
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Pain and infection will also raise the BG...I'm wondering if him being so sick had a lot to do with the 580.
 
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i was going to link the previous condos...but you took care of it :-D

celi
 
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When I say "very serious upper respiratory disease" I mean it. He was on an IV with fluids for 5 days and was on a couple different antibiotics also.
 
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Kory & Smokey said:
My cat had a very serious upper respiratory disease. He was having a hard time breathing and did not eat for a couple days. He was in bad shape and had a BG reading of 580 at the vet.
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I was trying to find info in your various threads about whether Smokey was sick around the time of diagnosis. Any illness -- infection or inflammation -- can effect BG levels. Illness stresses the system and in response, the body will respond with the release of corticosteroids. Steroids raise BG levels. Between the respiratory infection and vet stress, it sounds like Kory's BG went through the roof. In all likelihood, if Smokey was on a non-prescription diet, levels would have come back into a normal range more quickly. What you are probably seeing now is Smokey's numbers coming back down to what they would normally be.

By any chance, do you have any lab results at home from before the respiratory infection? I wonder what Smokey's BG levels were previously?

FWIW, a friend of mine's cat was diagnosed with a UTI and his BG levels skyrocketed. He was started on insulin and within a month was OTJ.

(BTW: a bit of housekeeping. We open one condo or thread, per cat, per day.)
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
Kory & Smokey said:
My cat had a very serious upper respiratory disease. He was having a hard time breathing and did not eat for a couple days. He was in bad shape and had a BG reading of 580 at the vet.
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I was trying to find info in your various threads about whether Smokey was sick around the time of diagnosis. Any illness -- infection or inflammation -- can effect BG levels. Illness stresses the system and in response, the body will respond with the release of corticosteroids. Steroids raise BG levels. Between the respiratory infection and vet stress, it sounds like Kory's BG went through the roof. In all likelihood, if Smokey was on a non-prescription diet, levels would have come back into a normal range more quickly. What you are probably seeing now is Smokey's numbers coming back down to what they would normally be.

By any chance, do you have any lab results at home from before the respiratory infection? I wonder what Smokey's BG levels were previously?

FWIW, a friend of mine's cat was diagnosed with a UTI and his BG levels skyrocketed. He was started on insulin and within a month was OTJ.

(BTW: a bit of housekeeping. We open one condo or thread, per cat, per day.)
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I do not have any lab results before the infection. I wonder what his BG levels were previously also.

I am sorry for opening to many threads. Thanks for the tip.

I am going to do hourly tests for the next few hours and see what the numbers do. I am starting to think he may not be diabetic and had a really high BG level when diagnosed because of all his other issues.
 
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Hi again, here is the lik to your [urlhttp://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=55510]earlier post today[/url]. We try to keep it all together for continuity every day. Then we start a new one the next day.

You said he is on Hills CD, dry or wet? Dry food are often the cause of crystals and the "standard" prescription diets do little to really help. Please read Dr Pierson's page on Urinary Tract Health Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkin's book "Your Cat" has a lot of excellent information too.
 
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Ann & Tess said:
Hi again, here is the lik to your [urlhttp://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=55510]earlier post today[/url]. We try to keep it all together for continuity every day. Then we start a new one the next day.

You said he is on Hills CD, dry or wet? Dry food are often the cause of crystals and the "standard" prescription diets do little to really help. Please read Dr Pierson's page on Urinary Tract Health Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkin's book "Your Cat" has a lot of excellent information too.
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He is on Hills CD wet now. When he had his issues with crystals is when he was eating dry store bought food. I switched him over to Hills CD dry and he has never had any issues sense. I switched him over to CD wet once diagnosed with diabetes.
 
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i don't have experience with crystals with punkin, but he has had at least 8 urinary tract inflammations - pretty much every fall, for some reason, sometimes other times of the year too. he always had dry food, and when he started having the UTI's the vet had me giving him prescription dry food that was supposed to be easy on your bladder. he still had occasional UTI's while on the prescription dry food.

since switching him over to fancy feast and adding water to his food he hasn't had a single UTI. I read Dr. Lisa's info on cat's bladder health and it makes SO much sense to me. Here's the info: http://www.catinfo.org/ you may be one of those very lucky people who can get smokey off of insulin and diet controlled.

just fyi, i don't know if this would constitute a "real" diagnosis of diabetes but once a cat is diagnosed diabetic, you must continue to give them low-carb, canned food for the rest of their lives. they are simply diet controlled. it might be different in your case, i don't know.
 
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one of dr lisa's points is that a cat's natural prey is a mouse - which is 70-75% water. dry food, definitely not 70% water. it just is logical that wet food is going to be better for a cat.
 
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Thanks Julie for the great information.

His PMBG +2-79
 
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I don't want to get too excited. I need to keep testing for a few days to see but these numbers do not = a diabetic cat IMO. What do you folks think?

Thanks
 
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It's looking that way to my eyes. . .

Any luck finding a lower carb food appropriate for the crystals situation?
 
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Sandy and Black Kitty said:
It's looking that way to my eyes. . .

Any luck finding a lower carb food appropriate for the crystals situation?
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Not yet. I may just do a lower carb diet in a couple weeks and keep a closer eye on his crystals. From what I have heard on this site it sounds like with a lower carb diet and adding a bit of water to the wet food I may not have any issues with crystals.
 
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