New Member - Max - diagnosed August 25

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ManekiNekko

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Hi there, all.

I am ManekiNekko and my 13-year-old (neutered) male domestic shorthair is Max. I have read through the "start here" links and am working on doing the suggested items (obviously, this is a whole firehose of information).

Relevant history:

Max has been very healthy overall. He has been mildly overweight at 12.8 pounds for the past few years, but the vet wasn't particularly concerned. He has also had mild gingivitis/tartar (had one tooth extracted because of a resorptive lesion during his dental cleaning in 2020).

His primary food has been dry food for the first 5 years or so of life, with a change to about 50/50, sometimes 75% wet, 25% dry, as we made various changes to both the brands of food and the wet/dry ratios for the health of one of his brothers, Sam (who is overweight and has urinary issues, and is therefore on 95% wet food diet with dry food "treats") and Ace (who had lymphoma, which caused his death in 2020).

Max had his regular senior testing done at the end of May with some slightly elevated results (cholesterol, triglycerides, glucose of 174, plus proteinuria), but nothing that vet thought was concerning. However, we began noticing concerning changes sometime in July, which started very slowly (with increased drinking, progressing to noticeable weight loss and, recently, lethargy/less interest in things). We took him in for an urgent care visit on Monday, where the vet gave a presumptive diabetic diagnosis, which was then confirmed by his labs, which we received results of yesterday.

Yesterday, we went in for a consult, where we discussed next steps and received Max's insulin. He has since had his evening and morning doses. Our next appointment is in one week (September 2), where they will test Max's blood and review with us how to test it at home (I have also been reading all the tips here about home testing).

The vet has started Max on insulin without diet changes currently, though future steps include seeing if Max will eat a low carb dry food (in addition to his wet, since he likes the variety of texture). The vet recommended this course for now because he does not expect Max's diabetes to be fully controlled by diet alone, because low carb dry food is not particularly palatable and cats are picky, and because he believes it is important to change as little as possible about Max's lifestyle (ie, insulin and testing are big changes anyway, for both us and Max).


This week's test results showed the following (attached thumbnails which include the references ranges):

Blood:
Albumin, 4
AST, 122
ALT, 189
Glucose, 377
Calcium, 11.1
Chloride, 99
Cholesterol, 618
Triglyceride, 1305


Urinalysis:
Glucose strip, 3+
Ketones, negative


Today, we have to decide whether to purchase the pet specific glucose monitor that the vet suggested or a human one like ReliOn, which I see many of you use, as well as obtain some carb-free treats to make it easier to give him an afternoon snack if he wants one, plus any time I have to "annoy" him by taking his blood glucose, etc. My spouse and I both work from home, and our cats have already been used to three meals a day, so we are going to try to move to two meals plus a carb-free snack in the afternoon.

I am feeling understandably a little overwhelmed, but I am glad to have this forum. If there's anything you want to share with me now as far as "I wish I had known this when my cat was diagnosed," please do!
 

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Hi and welcome! Max is adorable, I love our DSH Chester he looks just like Max.

My 10-year-old Siamese cat Hendrick was diagnosed in January of this year.

Your vet sounds like they are somewhat familiar with feline diabetes, seeing as they got the presumptive diagnosis correct. But they prescribed an insulin which is not really any good for cats. Vetsulin is somewhat harsh and in fact no longer recommended for cats. Lantus or a generic equivalent is a much MUCH more gentle and long-lasting insulin, many people end up switching to it after Vetsulin doesn't work out. So I would highly recommend seeing if your vet will prescribe Lantus. Lantus, when combined with following the advice and dosing methods found here at the FDMB, got my cat into diabetic remission after about 6 months of dedication to the process.

The pet meter is a big one I wish I knew early on. I would not have wasted money on the Alpha Trak II and those ridiculously expensive test strips. You're way better off getting a human meter like the Relion.

Another thing we didn't do right is feeding every 12 hours. Our vet said that is the ONLY time to feed Hendrick, is every 12 hours with his insulin shot. It turns out this is very old and outdated thinking but is still taught in vet school, unfortunately. Today we know that it is much easier on a cat's pancreas to eat multiple small meals instead of just two main ones. It is more natural; how a cat would feed if in the wild. Most members feed a main meal every 12 hours with the insulin and also a couple other smaller meals or snacks.

Diabetic Ketoacidosis is a condition I wish I knew about, that can affect a newly diagnosed diabetic feline. This condition can make a cat very sick or result in death, it happens when ketones build up to the point where they are toxic to the kitty. It is recommended to use either a blood ketone meter like the Nova Max or urine strips like Ketostix to check and make sure ketones are not building up in Max.

There's a lot more but I won't bury you with it right now, and no doubt other members will pop in with all their tips, tricks and guidance as well. I am no expert just a guy who went through it all with his cat this year and came out the other side with a cat in remission! This place saved me and saved my boy, no doubt about it, so I just try to pay it forward.

-Kyle
 
There’s nothing too dramatic in those labs that I see - which is very encouraging. Liver enzymes are mildly elevated and there are a few other outliers that are not of major concern. A diabetic cat who is newly diagnosed often has some labs that are a bit off. I hope we can help you get him regulated and that his lbs will improve. I wish he had been diagnosed via a fructosamine test, which gives an average of blood glucose over the course of a few weeks, but his Bg was quite high on that second test.
 
Hi there, all.

I am ManekiNekko and my 13-year-old (neutered) male domestic shorthair is Max. I have read through the "start here" links and am working on doing the suggested items (obviously, this is a whole firehose of information).

Relevant history:

Max has been very healthy overall. He has been mildly overweight at 12.8 pounds for the past few years, but the vet wasn't particularly concerned. He has also had mild gingivitis/tartar (had one tooth extracted because of a resorptive lesion during his dental cleaning in 2020).

His primary food has been dry food for the first 5 years or so of life, with a change to about 50/50, sometimes 75% wet, 25% dry, as we made various changes to both the brands of food and the wet/dry ratios for the health of one of his brothers, Sam (who is overweight and has urinary issues, and is therefore on 95% wet food diet with dry food "treats") and Ace (who had lymphoma, which caused his death in 2020).

Max had his regular senior testing done at the end of May with some slightly elevated results (cholesterol, triglycerides, glucose of 174, plus proteinuria), but nothing that vet thought was concerning. However, we began noticing concerning changes sometime in July, which started very slowly (with increased drinking, progressing to noticeable weight loss and, recently, lethargy/less interest in things). We took him in for an urgent care visit on Monday, where the vet gave a presumptive diabetic diagnosis, which was then confirmed by his labs, which we received results of yesterday.

Yesterday, we went in for a consult, where we discussed next steps and received Max's insulin. He has since had his evening and morning doses. Our next appointment is in one week (September 2), where they will test Max's blood and review with us how to test it at home (I have also been reading all the tips here about home testing).

The vet has started Max on insulin without diet changes currently, though future steps include seeing if Max will eat a low carb dry food (in addition to his wet, since he likes the variety of texture). The vet recommended this course for now because he does not expect Max's diabetes to be fully controlled by diet alone, because low carb dry food is not particularly palatable and cats are picky, and because he believes it is important to change as little as possible about Max's lifestyle (ie, insulin and testing are big changes anyway, for both us and Max).


This week's test results showed the following (attached thumbnails which include the references ranges):

Blood:
Albumin, 4
AST, 122
ALT, 189
Glucose, 377
Calcium, 11.1
Chloride, 99
Cholesterol, 618
Triglyceride, 1305


Urinalysis:
Glucose strip, 3+
Ketones, negative


Today, we have to decide whether to purchase the pet specific glucose monitor that the vet suggested or a human one like ReliOn, which I see many of you use, as well as obtain some carb-free treats to make it easier to give him an afternoon snack if he wants one, plus any time I have to "annoy" him by taking his blood glucose, etc. My spouse and I both work from home, and our cats have already been used to three meals a day, so we are going to try to move to two meals plus a carb-free snack in the afternoon.

I am feeling understandably a little overwhelmed, but I am glad to have this forum. If there's anything you want to share with me now as far as "I wish I had known this when my cat was diagnosed," please do!
As others have said, feeding only twice a day is not optimal. Two main meals with two additional snacks per cycle are good. So that would be six feedings a day. We like to recommend not feeding after kitty’s nadir (lowest point in the cycle) because it can shorten the duration of the insulin.

Relion meters are definitely the way to go and make it easier to adapt the protocols here for dosing.

All of Kyle’s advice is good!
 
Oh, and while low carb wet food is best for a diabetic cat (all cats really) there is Dr. Elsey’s clean protein cat food that my cats will assure you is very delicious.
 
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