Napa: OTJ trial (and a few updates)

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ebuckley

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I think we'll put Napa on a trial, too. Maybe Goldie will bring us luck.

We probably *could* go lower with the one drop method but a skinny 0.1 yesterday was stressful when she dropped to 52 midday hours before her "usual" nadir time. Deb, thanks for the OTJ guidelines. I'll pull those patient pants back out and try to give her a good 5 days or so to let the depot work its way out and let Napa adjust to that. Jill, thank you again for the advice with "food trials."

A few updates (in case the our story helps others out there):

WCR:
- weight is up 7oz since last check ~4 weeks ago.
- she still has a huge appetite, but settles down more between meals.
- the 5 Ps have been really good, but with a couple of issues....

Pancreatitis?
- there has been some instances of puke the last several days (clear, frothy, silver dollar sized). Suspect Napa due to locations, but not 100% sure.
- she sometimes seems uncomfortable after eating. Meatloafing, swishing tail, not happy to be picked up.
- could pancreatitis be behind all this--have suspected something like this all along and moreso since I read up on it via the link BJM posted (A Primer On Pancreatitis) and elsewhere.
- recently started giving her Fancy Feast along with Soulsitic LC varieties because PetCo is often out of or low on Soulsitic.
- going back to Cat Info I see the calorie % from fat is quite high for FF compared to Soulsitic. Fat intake might exacerbate pancreatitis. I'll take the FF back out of her diet and see if things improve.
- picked up copies of her labs while at the vet for weight check:
---initial labs on 12/20 had high values for: ALT (187), BUN (38), Glucose (377) as well as Triglycrides, WBC, Neurtophils, Eosinophils. Low values for Chloride and Na/K.
---pancreatic labs on 1/18/14: Cobalamin (B12?) was in normal range, Folate was high, TLI was in normal range, PLI was high at 8.4, fructosamine was high at 571 indicating "fair" regulation.
- the vet read me the results of the pancreatic lab over the phone and mostly indicated it was not very specific for differential diagnosis. I'll ask about that high PLI next time we are in. The test was fairly expensive but we could re-do when the time is right.
- If the post meal discomfort and and puke don't resolve, I'll inquire about pancreatic enzyme supplementation.

For the really interested reader (LOL), here's the link to our first condo with whiny intro post and second condo with dose reduction debates, a bad bounce, and otj considerations.

As always, I wish I could fully express my humble gratitude to everyone here.
 
I think starting an OTJ trial is not a bad idea. If you catch her numbers start to creep higher, then a drop of insulin might be all she needs to push her back down for a few days and restart the OTJ trial. Some kitties, it takes a few attempts with a token .1 drop of insulin every few days before they "stick to it," other kitties remain on a low dose indefinitely, and still others have no problem going straight to OTJ. ECID! :mrgreen:

It could be pancreatitis, it could be IBD, it could even be a food allergy/food intolerance. Fancy Feast is a bit too high in fat for me to feed Mikey (his numbers seem to go up when there's too much fat). I created this sorted version of Dr. Lisa's food list and added an extra column for protein/fat ratio (Mikey seems to do best on anything over 50% protein:fat). I also sorted it out by protein types since Michelangelo is also allergic to all red meats and I try to feed seafood only once a week, at most. So, it might also help you figure out if a food allergy is going on.
 
Allegedly, most cats don't have an issue with fats when they have pancreatitis ... but each cat is different, so if you observe a repeatable pattern of high fat meal -> puking, its a clue ;-)

Meatloafing might be other GI upset, such as acidity. You could try 1/4 of a Pepcid AC (regularversion) 20-30 minutes before a meal to see if that helps.
 
3 more days to go,
hope they don't move too slow,
Napa is getting ready to party,
almost time for that safari,
to the OTJ falls,
where all the tales are tall ones!
 
Woohoo Napa! What an amazing story with only two more days to go before being officially declared otj_icon !

Btw, how is Nomi fairing on the new diet?
 
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