Murphy B12 Methylcobolomin

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I have been thinking of starting Murphy on a sublingual methycobolomin supplement to assist her with her diabetic neuropathy. Interesting, but she became hock in the front paws before anything happened to her back legs. Her back legs are fine, but she gets that zappy electrical shock from the neuropathy, which I know all too well. I had heard that b12 methyl is terrific also for felines to help with constipation. What dosage is suggested. All I can find is 500 mcg. The only b12 methyl and cyno I trust is from Lexorhealth.com -- No Shot B12, as I have taken it for years and it's by far the best I have used.

Thoughts?
 
Many people use Xobaline from Life Link. Amazon also carries methly b12 . Some forms are sugarless some are not.

One 3 mg tablet of methylcobalamin administered once per day is reported to reverse most or all of the symptoms of feline diabetic neuropathy within a few weeks.
 
Here is a link to the one I've used and do recommend:

http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Vitamin-B-1 ... lcobalamin

It doesn't contain any sugars, is flavorless and is a capsule, so it makes it easy to open and mix into food. While this is a 5mg, I used to mix the entire capsule once a day in Maui's food. I figured if she didn't eat it all, no big deal as her body would process what she needed and she would pee out what she didn't. Also, if the other cats ate some, again no big deal.

hope this helps.
 
missmurphy2010 said:
Interesting, but she became hock in the front paws before anything happened to her back legs. Her back legs are fine, but she gets that zappy electrical shock from the neuropathy, which I know all too well.
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Sweety has a type of "zappy electrical shock" thing going on in her front paws.
Is that neuropathy???? She's diet controlled.
The last time she was at the vet I mentioned it, and her bloodwork came back low potassium. He gave us supplements but I came home and asked on the board about her numbers and it was impossible becuase they were so low. I had another bloodtest done and it turned out that the first one was wrong.
I then thought it was from on overgrown nail growing into her pad. I always keep an eye on them now but she still has that ...jerky paw thing more than I like.
You know about it??? please help. I do have some B12 but I only give it to her occasionally.
 
I know that what B12 methyl is not used is disposed by the urine. I wouldn't go any higher that 3 mcg, which is how B12 subliguals should be dosed. 3 mg seems like quite a lot. She had neuropathy, which was the first sign of her diabetes, along with the gnawing at the insides of her paws.
 
I haven't heard of the "electrical shock" thing with the neuropathy. My Oscar occasionally has this, but his numbers are fairly well controlled now and he no longer has neuropathy. Do you have any more info on this issue? I am really curious as to the connection.

I also haven't heard of neuropathy causing kitties to gnaw/lick their front legs either. Oscar started doing this back in October, and he now has bare patches on both front legs from the licking. He goes in on Tuesday for a blood draw to test for thyroid issues because of this.

We use Xobaline, 3mg once a day. Lifelink has now come out with a flavorless/sugarless version for cats called Zobaline.
 
In diabetes, it is related to high BG levels in hyperglycemic humans and animals. It is caused from a decreased blood flow and comes from BG levels that haven't been well-controlled. It causes an electrical shock/split second pain, that goes away as quick as it came, and can be intermittent. There are other types of neuropathy however, peripheral, cranial, etc. It normally is seen in uncontrolled diabetics.

When I had my thyroid removed for a tumor in 2009, my surgeon nicked my thoracic nerve near my neck, and I had it in my right leg, and also my hands. The right leg would send me through the roof especially when I was sleeping. It is extremely painful and also causes numbness and tingling sensations. The numbness can last for hours and for days, and sometimes may never go away b/c of lack of blood flow from the damaged nerves.
 
Jayne & Sweety said:
missmurphy2010 said:
Interesting, but she became hock in the front paws before anything happened to her back legs. Her back legs are fine, but she gets that zappy electrical shock from the neuropathy, which I know all too well.
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Sweety has a type of "zappy electrical shock" thing going on in her front paws.
Is that neuropathy???? She's diet controlled.
The last time she was at the vet I mentioned it, and her bloodwork came back low potassium. He gave us supplements but I came home and asked on the board about her numbers and it was impossible becuase they were so low. I had another bloodtest done and it turned out that the first one was wrong.
I then thought it was from on overgrown nail growing into her pad. I always keep an eye on them now but she still has that ...jerky paw thing more than I like.
You know about it??? please help. I do have some B12 but I only give it to her occasionally.
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Yes, that "zappy electrical shock" you notice is neuropathy and there are no blood tests that can show or uncover this. Usually, it is explaining the symptoms and possibly having a dopler done. I do not think that low potassium would cause this as I've never heard of that b/4r. If you're going to use B12 though, you should use B12 methylcobolomin, and not B12 cynocobolomin. There is a difference b/w the two Bs.

In Murphy's case, she was getting the neuropathy when she was becoming hock in her front paws which sounds uncommon b/c they always state that cats b/c hock in their hinds b/4 the front. She was reversed and the nerve damage would cause her to just gnaw and gnaw. I'm using "Cosequin" now, and that works terrific. My vet and I made a decision that this was helpful for not only arthritis, but also neuropathy (glucosamine and chondroitin) and it's specially for cats.
 
Kelly & Oscar said:
I haven't heard of the "electrical shock" thing with the neuropathy. My Oscar occasionally has this, but his numbers are fairly well controlled now and he no longer has neuropathy. Do you have any more info on this issue? I am really curious as to the connection.

I also haven't heard of neuropathy causing kitties to gnaw/lick their front legs either. Oscar started doing this back in October, and he now has bare patches on both front legs from the licking. He goes in on Tuesday for a blood draw to test for thyroid issues because of this.

We use Xobaline, 3mg once a day. Lifelink has now come out with a flavorless/sugarless version for cats called Zobaline.
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There's tons of information on diabetic neuropathy on the internet and the causes and symptoms. Even if your kitty is "now" well-controlled, remember, b/4 the kitty was "not well-controlled," and that's when it starts, and may not go away. When the nerves die, they usually don't recover. But, the insulin can help sometimes to reverse the signs.
 
missmurphy2010 said:
There's tons of information on diabetic neuropathy on the internet and the causes and symptoms. Even if your kitty is "now" well-controlled, remember, b/4 the kitty was "not well-controlled," and that's when it starts, and may not go away. When the nerves die, they usually don't recover. But, the insulin can help sometimes to reverse the signs.
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Oh I know about diabetic neuropathy - I was asking about the electrical shocky thing :-D
 
missmurphy2010 said:
Jayne & Sweety said:
missmurphy2010 said:
Interesting, but she became hock in the front paws before anything happened to her back legs. Her back legs are fine, but she gets that zappy electrical shock from the neuropathy, which I know all too well.
Click to expand...

Sweety has a type of "zappy electrical shock" thing going on in her front paws.
Is that neuropathy???? She's diet controlled.
The last time she was at the vet I mentioned it, and her bloodwork came back low potassium. He gave us supplements but I came home and asked on the board about her numbers and it was impossible becuase they were so low. I had another bloodtest done and it turned out that the first one was wrong.
I then thought it was from on overgrown nail growing into her pad. I always keep an eye on them now but she still has that ...jerky paw thing more than I like.
You know about it??? please help. I do have some B12 but I only give it to her occasionally.
Click to expand...

Yes, that "zappy electrical shock" you notice is neuropathy and there are no blood tests that can show or uncover this. Usually, it is explaining the symptoms and possibly having a dopler done. I do not think that low potassium would cause this as I've never heard of that b/4r. If you're going to use B12 though, you should use B12 methylcobolomin, and not B12 cynocobolomin. There is a difference b/w the two Bs.

In Murphy's case, she was getting the neuropathy when she was becoming hock in her front paws which sounds uncommon b/c they always state that cats b/c hock in their hinds b/4 the front. She was reversed and the nerve damage would cause her to just gnaw and gnaw. I'm using "Cosequin" now, and that works terrific. My vet and I made a decision that this was helpful for not only arthritis, but also neuropathy (glucosamine and chondroitin) and it's specially for cats.
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Thanks for the reply. I have read the tons of things about neuropathy when Sweety was first diagnosed. She didn't have this thing then. It appeared after she was on Hypertyroid meds for about a year. I chalked it up to that and the vet didn't seem concerned. I will have to mention it to him again soon, when she is due for her T4 check.
Right after I read your post yesterday, I searched for something like "zappy electrical shock movements in cat front paws" or something and saw something about thyroid problems...
She's walking and jumping fine. The jerky thing ususally happens when she is in a ...purring, happy state. Although I have seen it wake her up. Now, I'm concerned. I will start to test her again now. Although the vet BG tests have been good since the diet change. I urine tested her this morning and it was fine but I'll have to get new test strips and check.
And yes, I have learned here about which B12 to get.

Kelly and Oscar you may have an answer - you were just asking about your cat licking his front paws.

Thank you Miss Murphy!
 
The more and more I look into his current symptoms, the more and more I think he has thyroid problems. We'll find out for sure on Tuesday after his blood work is done.
 
Kelly & Oscar said:
missmurphy2010 said:
There's tons of information on diabetic neuropathy on the internet and the causes and symptoms. Even if your kitty is "now" well-controlled, remember, b/4 the kitty was "not well-controlled," and that's when it starts, and may not go away. When the nerves die, they usually don't recover. But, the insulin can help sometimes to reverse the signs.
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Oh I know about diabetic neuropathy - I was asking about the electrical shocky thing :-D
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Yep, the electrical shock can be part of the neuropathy. It is the nerve sensory and lack of blood flow that may cause the shocking split second pain. Some neuropathies cause total numbness, others, the electrical shock feeling, like a lightening bolt, and some can have cranial or nervous system disorders from neuropathy. It's truly an interesting topic, the nerve conductions.
 
Kelly & Oscar said:
The more and more I look into his current symptoms, the more and more I think he has thyroid problems. We'll find out for sure on Tuesday after his blood work is done.
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Be sure to update us?
And thanks Miss Murphy. I'll be researching feline nerve conditions now.
 
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