Motor 6/25

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Ok this morning he was 115. A little high for my taste, but still not too bad.
Not sure if he's eaten anything before that as he's a grazer, even on the wet food.

We're choosing not to shoot as my number is 130. Does this seem to make sense? We're gonna try testing again in a couple of hours (before going to see Cars 2!) to see what the food does for his number.

Suggestions? Or are we thinking correctly? :?:

jaimie, motor and josh (dad)
 
That is a really low no shoot number. Most here use 200, with some of the more experienced using from 150-180.
 
Good choice not to shoot.

When you test in a few hours if his P is working a little his bg's will come down after eating on their own. If he shoots up higher then his P isn't working. At least it will tell you something.

Have fun at Cars 2.
 
I took a look at your ss and you only have 2 days worth of data, with no insulin given, have you been keeping track all along somewhere else?

Yes, 130 is a very low no shoot number.

Sorry I've been gone for a few days. Just trying to catch up.
 
Just starting testing yesterday. So no more data. Called the vet and she said, yes no insulin. Keep an eye on numbers and call her in a week.

If 130 is too low - what does that mean?
 
Maybe I misunderstood you-- is 130 your test number?

If so good on you and it is not too low!!
 
Maybe I misunderstood you-- is 130 your test number?

If so good on you and it is not too low!!
 
I'd say 130 is too low for a full dose - but *experienced* people with the *data*, you can shoot that number. There have been a couple of kitties on here lately that were in the low to mid 100s with no insulin, but still technically diabetic numbers. They got a token dose (like 0.1u or 0.2u) to try to bring them back down and help out the pancreas a bit more. That is the kind of dose I would suggest if you start getting numbers above 130 consistently (more than twice in a row).
 
Test number this morning was 115. Up from 105 last night.

I wasn't going to shoot until I get a 130 or so. But if you're saying that's too low - I should WAIT to shoot until 200? That seems really high to me ...

My hubby is freaking out that we're not shooting. He's worried about backslides ...
 
What I meant is that 130 is a low number for a no shoot number. Usually new members start at 200 for a no shoot number, the bg number that you would not give insulin under.

I didn't realize that you were brand new. Good for you for home testing and having a spreadsheet up and running, you are way ahead of the pack.

A proper welcome is in order. Hi and welcome to our little group Jaimie, Motor and Josh!

Tell us your story about how Motor was diagnosed. Does Motor have any other health issues? How old is he?

Robin
 
I thought that is what you meant--- 130 is REALLY low. I go back to my original comment -- most here use 200, with the more experienced using 150-180.

It takes a lot of data to be comfortable shooting into low numbers.

I would not shoot a 130 number!

See what the others say.
 
Motor is an 8 year old tabby. He's a BIG boy. Before he started doing downhill he was heavy at 20lbs. At dx he was 14lbs. VERY skinny for him.
Now he's back up to a mid 15lbs.
We immediately went to Sophisticat wet food after dx. At dx he was in the 400s. 2 weeks later he was 288 as his high number.
Yesterday I started home testing because he was really getting angry at the shots. I thought maybe he was trying to tell me something ... apparently he was!
He's eating well, but throwing up/hairballs lately.
I'm worried about micro-dosing. Our U-40 needles only have 1 unit measurements.
So I will test again in another hour or so ... if he's still under 200 we will not shoot.
Thanks guys!
 
Don't get freaked out. :-D

We usually set a no shoot # of 200 until you know how the insulin is working in their systems by testing mid cycle to be able to see the bg drop down to nadir (lowest point of the day) and then back up again at their next shot time. Once you know what their 12 hour cycle looks like you can lower your no shoot number.

The more info you can give us the better. With the bg numbers you are getting right now I don't think you will be on insulin for very long. What has Lucky been getting for a usual dose of insulin?

There are several people here right now who are shooting at a 130 bg but they have a lot of data to support their dose choices.

Feel free to look at other peoples spread sheets to see what I mean. Totallybeachin for one, is micro dosing 2 diabetic cats right now. Barbara is another who is giving small doses.

Sorry we didn't mean to scare you. :oops:
 
Hi & welcome!!!!

One thing you can try is feeding multiple small meals (if you aren't doing that already) rather than 2 bigger meals. A lot of people around here let their kitties free feed, or feed maybe 4 smaller meals, or a bunch of smaller snacks, or whatever works for their schedule. If their pancreas is working (and it sounds like Motor's is), eating will trigger it to produce insulin, so if you get a number that is higher than you like you can feed a little bit, and then test in a couple hours and see if they have brought themselves down to a better number.

I might consider 180 as your point to give a micro dose, or 200 for a bigger dose (I don't recall what his dose was when he was getting regular shots? I would add all that back data to your spreadsheet - even if it's tests from the vets, then just put that in the notes, and you could put a date range where you were giving x units even if you were shooting blind - don't necessarily need to give each day its own line if there's no data, but maybe just put a note in one line "shot 1u (or whatever) BID from x to x dates", something like that).

If he continues to steadily creep up I agree you might not want to wait til 180, but I'd post again if you get to a point where you are thinking a shot is in order and see what people say. I would experiment with feeding small portions first. It's tricky at this point - you don't want to withhold insulin if they need it, but you don't want to give it on a non-diabetic number either, so it's hard to know what to do. Sometimes when they are going OTJ they run in the low blues for a couple days, then drop themselves to greens on their own, so I'd wait a little longer and see what happens, if he keeps creeping up, or if his pancreas takes over on its own.
 
Like Rob said, if you look at one of Totallybeachin's posts, look at Callie Mae's SS around 5/20 and several days on either side of that, her #s look similar to Motor's in there, and you can see how it played out.
 
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