Mocha condo HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO CIVVIE TWIX!!!!

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PeterDevonMocha

PeterDevonMocha

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Hi guys ..

I have missed visiting your condos the last week or so .. but things have been very hectic around here .. I'm hoping soon enough things can calm down and I can get back to visiting .. I miss all the kitties when I don't stop in on a daily basis!

Peter has now printed out all of mocha's SS, each month to one page .. I have also printed out the Tilly protocol and sings of hypoglycemia and all the webpages on hints/tips to hometesting, etc. Everything is in a nice clean binder waiting to go to Mocha's vet ... But I haven't made the call yet .. each time I think about it, I get butterflies in my stomach .... I'm not sure why that is .. I know mocha is doing good, she is more playful and active and VOCAL then ever before but I am nervous about actually making the call to go there, and show them what mocha did ..

Peter doesn't understand my nervousness and I can't really explain it .. I know it has something to do with the way I was talked to last time twix was there .. That vet told me we were treating mocha all wrong and that we could kill her this way .. Now I know I should want to feel like saying, here, here it is, we DIDN'T kill her! But instead I have a fear she is not going to be proud of us or mocha, but rather belittle us for going about this on our own or from people "online"

Anyways .. I am sure I will make the call before the end of the week .. maybe tomorrow nailbite_smile

I also wanted to let everyone know that today is Twixs (aka: neener, beans, string bean) birthday! My little girl is 7 years old today! When we stopped to get a new addition to our family we saw her way down at the base of the cellar steps, such a tiny baby with such a tiny meow .. She was the runt of the litter and stole our hearts .. We brought her home, a kitten no bigger then the palm of our hands! She is a sweetheart who doesn't want toooo much attention from us and never wants to be held but her headbutts on our arms is enough to let us know she is happy and content here .. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY BEANS!!!!
 
Oh, what a sweet image. Birthday hugs to Twix -- or should I say, birthday headbutts!

Whatever you decide about the vet, I understand the difficulty of the decision. I also thought many times about telling our original vet how a much different treatment plan than he had recommended ended up saving Kitty's life. I thought... he'd want to know! Or maybe, he would react badly...

Personally, I think that any vet who would belittle a patient is not necessarily open to other treatment plans. (Was that stated more politely than what I really think? :lol: ) Good luck, either way.
 
Hi Devon - and HAPPY BIRTHDAY TWIX !!! party well little one.

I can understand how you'd feel about taking it all, Mocha's history as an FD kitty, to your vet. I'm sure she will have her opinion. Most vets don't handle us beans taking things into our own hands, being as pro-active as we are. I also think that it would be a proud moment that they should all see. It could go either way, and if they are jerks, well it is their loss. We all know, you and mocha know, that she got the best care from her beans,and top notch help from all that visit LL. Good luck - and let 'em have it. :-D :-D
 
I hope Twix has a very Happy Birthday!!!

I understand where you are coming from concerning talking to your vet. I totally lied to Simon's old vet about why I am taking him somewhere else. I felt nervous about telling her the truth. I have no idea why I was concerned at all about giving her the straight story. That said, Mocha is doing fabulous so if the vet has an issue with how you have taken care of Mocha, then that is her problem and she shouldn't belittle you or disagree with you.
 
ah happy birthday twix! our civvie doesn't ask for too much attention either - but i always wonder if she's jealous of the time that punkin gets pokes. sometimes she tries to get in on it!

you know what i'd do for the vet . . . I'd drop it all off without an appt so they could hopefully, consider their words and not just say something stupid off the cuff. i guess that's the chicken's way out, but who wants to anticipate being criticised, especially when what you did worked! I'd just leave it at the desk with a note and then the next time mocha was sick, make an appt and see what happens.

or let peter take mocha in if he's braver! my husband isn't as sensitive to criticism as i am, so if the vet said something it wouldn't bother him.
 
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TWIX!​
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TWIX & MANY MANY MORE!!
If you are still using this vet, I might not confront her with all this...Vets do not like to think they are wrong, or be told that they are wrong, nor do doctors. If you are not using this vet anymore & you feel you need to show her what FDMB did for you,
Go right ahead..You deserve to pat yourself on the back...You may need this vet again at sometime.
Just saying that Mocha went into remission & is doing great..I dont think she will be coming over to our protocol no matter what. You Both did a Great JOB!!! Hugs & Lub from Us!!
 
Happy Birthday Twix!!!​

About the vet - I did call and just talk to the vet that dx'd Zoe with diabetes and gave me a lot of incorrect advice. I explained how we cared for her, about this site, hometesting, diet change, Lantus and the Tight Regulation....she was very impressed, wrote down a lot of what we were talking about, asked questions and said she was going to do a little more research on this - especially with the info I had given her. My hope is that when she treats another diabetic kitty she will know more and give better advice. We don't use this vet any longer (haven't since the day she told me to give Zoe 5 units of insulin bid)....but I wanted to let her know that Zoe had been OTJ and how we did it. Good luck with making the call - you could save another kitties life.
 
Hi Devon, I say go for it. You and Peter have done so much work getting it all together. My Vet has a copy of the Queensland U protocol and gets a copy of Maggie's ss via E-mail every week. He hasn't commented on the protocol, but he sees how well Maggie is doing. So maybe your Vet will not say too much or criticize as first she will have a lot to digest in reviewing it.

Happy Birthday to Twix.
 
HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TWIX/BEANS!!​

We send you lots of scritches and headbutts, little girl!

Devon and Peter, I tend to agree with Roni. If you still go to this vet and might need her for things other than FD, just say how well Mocha is doing and that she is in remission and let it go at that. I don't think just dropping off the spreadsheets and other materials will help. She probably won't read them and might even resent them. I suggest that you save this fabulous packet and present it to another vet in the event that it is needed in the future. But the best thing would be that it will not be needed and you can keep it as a memento.

Enjoy your evening with the birthday kitty and beautiful Mocha!

Hugs,
Ella & Rusty
 
Hi Devon. I agree with Roni and Ella. I'm of the school of not biting the hand that may feed you, some day.
She will be seeing Mocha for other things, along the way, and will see for herself, what a good job you did with her.

On the other hand, she may think you took all her advice, and that's why Mocha's in remission. :lol:
Happy Birthday, Twix :RAHCAT​
 
Thank you everyone, for the birthday wishes for my girl and the advice on calling the vet .. Lots to think about .. thinking about possibly saving another kitties life with this protocol sure is running in my mind like Sherry says .. Im thinking tomorrow I will call our vet, tell them mocha has been off insulin for X amount of time and we have some SS if they would like to look at them, and if not, that is fine, but to just update her file since she is no longer on insulin ... I'll see what they want to do, if they are interested .. The vet who reprimanded me last time had never even seen mocha, I was there for twix, but she did tell me if I ever wanted to "uncomplicate" the way we were dealing with mocha, to give her a call as she had just been to a feline diabetes convention .. Ohhhhh butterflies ...
 
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, TWIX!!!!! She sounds like a little doll :-D

(I call Jackson Leany McBeany)...don't know why "bean"... but it's my spin on Dr. McDreamy :lol:

Give Twix a huggy and a scritch for me :mrgreen:
 
Devon, I have to jump back in. Our old vet ALSO said he had just been to a feline diabetes seminar! I swear, these conventions and seminars have to be run by the "prescription" foods companies.

We should lobby the meter companies to sponsor a diabetes conference. Maybe vets would get the right info!

I know that the vet we dealt with was well-intentioned. Many of his patients would be too intimidated by two shots and multiple testing, and they might put the cats to sleep. at least that's what I've imagined in his defense, based on the people in his waiting room.

They do need to hear from us. But one person against the veterinary establishment -- well, you have to choose your battles.
 
Kathy and Kitty said:
Devon, I have to jump back in. Our old vet ALSO said he had just been to a feline diabetes seminar! I swear, these conventions and seminars have to be run by the "prescription" foods companies.

We should lobby the meter companies to sponsor a diabetes conference. Maybe vets would get the right info!

I know that the vet we dealt with was well-intentioned. Many of his patients would be too intimidated by two shots and multiple testing, and they might put the cats to sleep. at least that's what I've imagined in his defense, based on the people in his waiting room.

They do need to hear from us. But one person against the veterinary establishment -- well, you have to choose your battles.
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Catch this Kathy..Jaime went to a continuing education class about a month ago about feline diabetes and the main topics were the benefits of Lantus and Levemir!
He still thinks his patients won't use it...and he is right from what I've witnessed. But that's a giant step for him (but he'll never admit it) :-D
 
I sense a condo being hijacked... @-) Caryl, on the bright side, these vets are GOING to diabetes conferences. It's good that they are studying up on it. And maybe Lantus is sponsoring the conference! :mrgreen:

Every time a vet sees one of our kitties, and hears about the Queensland protocol (they're ALL impressed by Queensland U.), a little bit of knowledge spreads.

Peace offering for Twix. After all, it is her birthday!

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Happy Birthday TWIX

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I agree w/ Sherry. Our vets need to see what works. I seen posts about a lot of vets lately who are signing up w/ Lantus but don't really understand how it works. What you have put together sounds wonderful. I wouldn't be confrontational, but let her know that you have all the data on how you got Mocha OTJ and are willing to share it, if she is interested. Most people resist when they are told they are wrong, but maybe offering some "new information" may work and it could help save another kitty..
 
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TWIX AKA BEANS!!!!​

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Devon: boy you sure are getting lots of opinions so I might as well throw mine in!!! How about offering to take her to lunch...get her on neutral territory..and just show her in a very positive way. While my vet is really great and open-minded, that's what I did and she was astounded at what many cats on lantus do....bouncing, diving, etc. I think if you have the opportunity to "save another life" then it's important. I didn't sit down with my vet so that she would help me with Gracie---I have LL; I did it because I knew she needed to see that having people use glucose strips to manage FD could be putting kitties in danger. They could all of a sudden test negative for glucose and be going low OR be above the renal threshold all the time if she wanted the people to keep them at +1. Good luck!!! Can't wait to hear what she says.
 
I'll hold off on the vet feedback since you've gotten many opinions already...just want to say:

Happy Birthday ,Twix!!!​
 
:RAHCAT :RAHCAT HAPPY BIRTHDAY TWIX!!! :RAHCAT :RAHCAT

:YMHUG: I HOPE YOU HAD A PURRRRRFECT DAY :YMHUG:


Devon, my vet was very upfront with me in the fact that she knew nothing more about Lantus than reading an article about it. She was going to originally put Choco on some other insulin but when I suggested Lantus she was all for it. She started him on 2 units and after that, I got all my advice from LL and a little over two months later, Choco is having his otj party. I've sent her his ss so that she could see what I did and how he progressed so that she can learn a little about Lantus and she has been all for it. Hopefully your vet won't take it as an insult but more as information that may be very helpful to him/her in helping kitties with FD.
 
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TWIX!!!​


Lots of ideas here!! I'm on the fence. If and when I get Willie OTJ or at least when he's been regulated for a good period of time, I will be sending information to my former vet who told me I'd just killed my cat when I shot an Alpahtrak 90 on Christmas Eve. I will probably pass along info to our internal med vet as well, who thinks that TR is too tedious. When we saw her, she told me that she thought all the testing was unnecessary and to call her when I grew tired of the protocol. (as if I could get tired of all these greens!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ), but I'm not sure how much I'll actually try to discuss with her. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do!!
 
Thank you everyone! Today I think will be the day I call .. but first, I will test mocha at some point, just for reassurance that I am doing the right thing .. and I will simply tell them she is no longer on insulin and that we have charts if either one of the vets would care to look at them .. I won't be confrontational because that isn't my nature and I know I'll be shaking like a leaf just calling to keep them in the loop with mocha .. If they do want to check out the SS then great .. I will take peter along with me .. He's much more confident then I am in those situations, not confrontational, but won't be teary eyed like me :lol:

Thank you again everyone, for understanding, and for twix's birthday wishes .. she had a wonderful day and is now passed out in her basket .. must of had one heck of night!
 
I think that's a great plan Devon by giving the Vet the option of seeing your ss and letting her review how you and Peter managed Mocha's diabetes and getting her OT. She/he has the option of looking at your reports, and I don't see how the Vet could not be curious. Great idea of taking Peter along for moral support. Please keep us posted and good luck.
 
Well I tested mocha at +2 this morning and she was a nice 69 so I went ahead and made the call .. The vet who gave us the diagnosis of diabetes doesn't work at that office much anymore I was told, but the vet who commented to me last time that we were not taking care of mocha right would look at it .. I told them I could drop it off today which I did .. I explained a few things in the folder, the tilly protocol information was in there as well as all the helpful sites listed on here for learning how to home test, etc. And then of course, signs for hypoglycemia and then her SS .. The receptionist is always friendly and seemed impressed enough .. I told them to call if they have any questions and then to call when they would like me to pick it back up .. so now it's in their hands ....
 
Nice job, Devon - I think you handled it exactly right. Its up to the vet now to look at it. I know I felt better after I talked to Zoe's previous vet - I knew I had given her the information that I had and if she chose to use it great and if not, at least I had tried. :thumbup
 
Gus and I wish you a HAPPY BIRZDAY!! The issue with the vet is a matter of us not really wanting to challenge "authority" even when they are wrong. Their (some vets) egos are usually so much bigger than ours, that they're not open to any thought but their own. It becomes a matter which they perceive as personal,"How dare you question my superior knowledge" rather than keeping the welfare of the animal first and foremost. Many times I have said they think the (V) M.D. after their name stands for "Mighty Deity" This theory can also be applied to vets. Good luck and remember, it's for your cats' welfare.
 
Thanks you guys .. I feel good that I dropped it off .. I hope they read it and learn something from it, even if it is only a tiny piece! I gave extra lubins to mocha telling her maybe she will help some other kitty out there ...
 
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