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Sarah & Ellie

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Ellie is black, fluffy and about 15-16 years old. She is cuddly, thirsty for attention, and jealous of my laptop. She snores when she sleeps and sometimes sleeps on her face. No positiion is too uncomfortable as long as she is within pet range.

I love when shelters let visitors open the cages without needing to track down a volunteer. I opened her cage, picked her up and she was all over me. She was cuddly from the start! I knew she was meant to be mine. The only thing I regret that day was that I didn't adopt her brother too, who was just as friendly and fluffy. There's another lucky cat mom/dad out there somewhere.

We've been through everything together; my first apartment, college, moving to Oregon (and driving cross the country!), meeting the love of my life (and liking his pets better than mine), and I fully plan for her to be there for my wedding.

Ellie has been very healthy her whole life, a couple UTIs several years ago and a benign lump on her forehead a couple years ago, but otherwise happy and healthy. She started to cough in August this year and I took her to the vet, who diagnosed her with bronchitis and gave her a steroid shot. She had a couple blood diarrheas, so he put her on antibiotics in case of colitis. Her cough came back, so he put her on oral steriods. This last weekend was her last dose of steriods and I noticed she started drinking A LOT and peeing A LOT. Her Pretty Litter indicated high alkalinity in her urine and she wasn't eating very well. Time to call the vet again. She was sluggish after her long bathroom trips and I finally told my vet that she also had been laying down to eat or drink, I thought she just had achy joints. Vet concluded she had diabetes after her urinalysis came back with sugar detected.

She's officially a Sugar Cat as of 11/10, my own birthday. The worst birthday present ever, I must say.

My vet says she needs to start off on 3 unit shots twice a day. He suggested I keep her on her diet of Hill's Science Diet Sensitive Stomach wet and dry until after we get a chance to monitor how she's doing on the insulin. Vet said that Lantus has shown to put cats back into remission when first diagnosed, rare but possible. I'm going to take his advice and put her on Lantus to see if her numbers improve after one bottle, then switch to ReliOn if she still needs insulin to manager her condition. I don't think I can afford the liquid gold that is Lantus on the long term. The vet said that he will teach me to give her the shot once I have the insulin. It was out at the pharmacy today, I hope I can get some tomorrow so I can start her on treatment tomorrow instead of Monday.

She's okay for now, still drinking and peeing a lot. But perky. I hope her old "zoomies" come back, bolting from one end of the apartment to the other. I just want to know that she'll be okay, that she'll feel better and her symptoms will go away. I can handle changing her eating schedule, giving her a shot every morning and night, checking her suguar. What I can't handle is her pain and discomfort.

I don't know anything about diabetes, how to recognize worrying numbers, how to test and monitor her sugar levels. Nothing. My fiance found this forum boasted about on Reddit when he started researching alongside me. I'm so thankful that it's an active forum with such compassionate and experienced members!

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Welcome!

yes Lantus is a great insulin for cats. 3 units is too high a dose to start off. It should be 1 unit. No reason to buy expensive prescription food. Nothing especial about it other than the price tag. What do you feed her now? You just need food that’s 10% or less in carbs. Most of us feed fancy feast pate or Friskies and they’re perfectly fine. I’d suggest you get a meter so you can home test her, especially if you’re considering starting on such a high dose. Don’t let your vet talk you into getting a pet meter. The strips are incredibly expensive and you’ll go through them fast. Most of us use Walmart’s ReliOn. Human meters are perfectly fine. Steroids can cause diabetes and her bg numbers could improve significantly now that she’s off of it. Sorry to rush but i have an early meeting and need to go to bed soon. I’ll write more in the am.

welcome again and she’s a beauty!!! :bighug:

oh you may want to head over to the Lantus forum a me read all the yellow sticky notes. Lots of great and helpful info there :cat:
 
Hi and welcome.:)
Feline diabetes is a very treatable and manageable disease.
i agree with @Aleluia Grugru & Minnie ....3 units is far too high a dose to start with and is unsafe.
Please go back to 1 unit twice a day.
I would also encourage you to home test the blood glucose levels to keep Elle safe...she is gorgeous!
You can pick up a human meter And test strips from Walmart For a very reasonable cost.

I would also recommend you switch to canned low carb food such as fancy feast pate foods. Dry prescription foods are high carb and are not suitable for diabetic cats.
HOWEVER DO NOT SWAP OVER TO A LOW CARB DIET UNTIL YOU ARE HOME TESTING THE BG.
If you continue with 3 units of insulin and change to low carb food your run a very real risk of causing a hypo.

You can get cheaper Lantus from a pharmacy in Canada if you live in the US. I’ll tag @Chris & China (GA) who can give you the info on that.
I would also buy a bottle of Ketostix from Walmart or a pharmacy to test the urine for ketones if you are not going to start the insulin til Monday. It’s a simple test and ensuring there are no ketones present is important.

here are some links for you.
Home testing https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/hometesting-links-and-tips.287/

Food link..look for 10% or less carbs https://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

Help us help you. https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/new-how-you-can-help-us-help-you.216696/

How to treat hypos. [url]https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/how-to-treat-hypos-they-can-kill-print-this-out.15887/
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please ask lots of questions:)


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I don't think I can afford the liquid gold that is Lantus on the long term.

That's why most of us buy it from Canada! Ask your vet for a script and you can send it to Mark's Marine Pharmacy. It will take about 7-10 days to get to you since it would be your first order, but when you need refills, it generally only takes 4-5 days from the time you ask them to refill it.

You want to get the 5 pens instead of a vial. 5 pens is $190 (including shipping). That's 1500 units of Lantus which is enough to last most cats at least a year...and some up to 2 years! A 10ml vial holds 1000 units but it usually only lasts 4-6 months before it starts to lose efficacy and you end up throwing a lot of it away. The un-opened pens stay good until the expiration date (usually at least 2 years). You only have 1 pen "open" at a time. Each pen is 300 units which you can use within that 4-6 months. If your vet writes the script for a vial, it's OK...Mark's will send you whatever form you want. Just call them and tell them you want the pens instead.

Use this time to get Ellie eating nothing but a low carb canned or raw diet. Most of us feed our own cats Fancy Feast Classics, Friskies pates or 9-Lives ground because they're under 10% carbs, easy to find and affordable. This is also the best time to start learning to home test so you can see what kind of numbers you get by reducing the carbs in the diet. Some cats only need a diet change to go into remission but if you do end up still needing insulin, you'll be ready to do it safely!

The "prescription" foods are nothing special. They don't contain anything that treats diabetes. You're paying a premium price for an inferior quality food with a fancy name. The entire "prescription" food industry is only a clever marketing tool between the manufacturers and the veterinary community.
 
Hi Sara and Ellie WELCOME TO FDMB and may I say, your Ellie is stunning.
Youve already been given excellent information. Its a LOT isnt it? Well buckle up for information over load! Fear not though, we have great people here, that will help you navigate all this information, to where it will become second nature very quickly.

WELCOME TO OUR FAMILY:bighug:

To get you up to speed on how things work around here please click this link. Oh and if you would, please pay particular attention to the "Profile / Signature" section. All the information you fill in, will give any member that comes to help, all they need to know about your extra sweet Ellie. This info will appear at the bottom of all your posts, it will help us help you quicker and more efficiently, saving valuable time in case of an emergency.
New? How You Can Help Us Help You!

You've landed in a safe place for Ellie and we ALL look forward to getting to know you both!
This is the best site on this planet to learn everything you need to know about feline diabetes.;):coffee:
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I just want to add a welcome from me! I agree with all the above. If your cat is getting too much insulin, her bg will drop too low and then her numbers will rise high making your think more insulin is needed when actually the opposite is true. I didn’t want to test at home at first because Max was very sensitive. I was taking him to my vet twice a week to check him. I bought a meter from Walmart just in case and brought it to a vet visit. When I saw a 60, I knew I had to start testing. Cats are often stressed at tge vet and will read higher. That was definitely true for Max.

I love your adoption story! As you read the stickies ask as many questions as you have. You have come to the best place to help Ellie and get support for her care.
 
Thank you all so much for the advice! It helped drive my questions when the vet demonstrated how to do the shot. Two successful shots down!

When I asked the vet about the 3 unit dosage, he cited her high sugar (is 500 really high?) and her weight. She's a hefty cat at 15 lbs. A good weight for her is 12, so she IS on the chubby side right now. The vet calls her "round". She's not very active anymore, no zoomies lately. He wants her on the dose until her check up in 2 weeks.

Maybe her diet is a factor too, her food is hybrid wet and dry right now (though I plan to transition her). She's not eating her normal amount, I have to keep pushing her to eat. Set her wet food in front of her. I let her smell my food to get her hungry, then guide her to her own food. It does work, temporarily.

She's feeling better today I think. Not drinking near as much. I going to get a home monitor, I plan to check her sugar through to her first check up appointment. Thankfully, my vet's office is my neighbor and his clinic is one of the few ERs in my area. I can get through to him at any time any day with concerns. Which makes me feel better about all this.
 
I don’t think your vet is extremely well versed in feline diabetes, I’m sorry to say. Insulin dose is not based on weight or how high the bg is at the time of diagnosis. Jumping to 3 units to start with will do nothing to help her get regulated. I wouldn’t start any cat on more than 1 unit. I don’t think anyone here would. You need to have room to go up instead you could be forcing her numbers to stay high as her body fights off the excessively high dose to keep itself safe from a hypo. I would also suggest you don’t change the food without home testing, especially with such a high dose. Dry food is probably what would keep her safe. I tell people often, you don’t have to trust us blindly nor should you your vet. A vet may be great at many things when it comes to your cat and still be completely outdated on how to treat feline diabetes. Google starting insulin dose for diabetic cats and you’ll see
 
I don’t think your vet is extremely well versed in feline diabetes, I’m sorry to say. Insulin dose is not based on weight or how high the bg is at the time of diagnosis. Jumping to 3 units to start with will do nothing to help her get regulated. I wouldn’t start any cat on more than 1 unit. I don’t think anyone here would. You need to have room to go up instead you could be forcing her numbers to stay high as her body fights off the excessively high dose to keep itself safe from a hypo. I would also suggest you don’t change the food without home testing, especially with such a high dose. Dry food is probably what would keep her safe. I tell people often, you don’t have to trust us blindly nor should you your vet. A vet may be great at many things when it comes to your cat and still be completely outdated on how to treat feline diabetes. Google starting insulin dose for diabetic cats and you’ll see
I agree with what everything Ale has said. The members here know more about diabetes than most vets do.
 
Actually weight is part of the formula used to determine the starting dose with TR. Since you are currently feeding wet and dry food, the starting dose would be 1.0 and the method we would have you follow is SLGS. We would have you hold the dose for 7 days, do a curve testing either every 2 hours for 12 hours or every 3 hours for 18 and adjust based upon the test results. You can read about this here.

https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB...-low-go-slow-slgs-tight-regulation-tr.210110/
 
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Hi Sarah and Ellie! Sarah actually contacted me from the Supply Closet page and she bought some of Disco's leftover supplies and we met up and I lent her my 3 ring binder of all the pages I could think of to print off from this site, when I was a newbie and she will make copies of everything and we'll meet up again so she can return it, though I hope neither of my 2 Adventure Cats become diabetic and like I told her, this is THE place to be for help. She's getting good advice here, and I also started out on SLGS at first and was terrified to try TR, but would have not started with TR for sure. Maybe when Sarah reads over the info and stickies, she will understand to start with SLGS. I let her know that @Marje and Gracie set up my SS for me in the baginning and just to ask the group for help. I also started out here in the Welcome/Main Forum but switched to the Lantus Forum when we switched from Vetsulin to Lantus after a couple of months. I also used Marks Marine for the box of 5 Lantus pens and I had 2 remaining after Disco became a GA on 11/9/20, and Sarah bought them from me, along with an AlphaTrak as a back up if she can't get ReliOn supplies. I did give her info on the variences of the 2 monitors and to be sure note that if she posts a question or on the SS.
 
Hi Sarah and Ellie! Sarah actually contacted me from the Supply Closet page and she bought some of Disco's leftover supplies and we met up and I lent her my 3 ring binder of all the pages I could think of to print off from this site, when I was a newbie and she will make copies of everything and we'll meet up again so she can return it, though I hope neither of my 2 Adventure Cats become diabetic and like I told her, this is THE place to be for help. She's getting good advice here, and I also started out on SLGS at first and was terrified to try TR, but would have not started with TR for sure. Maybe when Sarah reads over the info and stickies, she will understand to start with SLGS. I let her know that @Marje and Gracie set up my SS for me in the baginning and just to ask the group for help. I also started out here in the Welcome/Main Forum but switched to the Lantus Forum when we switched from Vetsulin to Lantus after a couple of months. I also used Marks Marine for the box of 5 Lantus pens and I had 2 remaining after Disco became a GA on 11/9/20, and Sarah bought them from me, along with an AlphaTrak as a back up if she can't get ReliOn supplies. I did give her info on the variences of the 2 monitors and to be sure note that if she posts a question or on the SS.
Awesome!
 
Hi Sarah and Ellie! Sarah actually contacted me from the Supply Closet page and she bought some of Disco's leftover supplies and we met up and I lent her my 3 ring binder of all the pages I could think of to print off from this site, when I was a newbie and she will make copies of everything and we'll meet up again so she can return it, though I hope neither of my 2 Adventure Cats become diabetic and like I told her, this is THE place to be for help. She's getting good advice here, and I also started out on SLGS at first and was terrified to try TR, but would have not started with TR for sure. Maybe when Sarah reads over the info and stickies, she will understand to start with SLGS. I let her know that @Marje and Gracie set up my SS for me in the baginning and just to ask the group for help. I also started out here in the Welcome/Main Forum but switched to the Lantus Forum when we switched from Vetsulin to Lantus after a couple of months. I also used Marks Marine for the box of 5 Lantus pens and I had 2 remaining after Disco became a GA on 11/9/20, and Sarah bought them from me, along with an AlphaTrak as a back up if she can't get ReliOn supplies. I did give her info on the variences of the 2 monitors and to be sure note that if she posts a question or on the SS.
That was so awesome for you and Sarah to have met
So wonderful of you to help her out :bighug::cat:
 
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