Locating a vet who specializes in diabetic cats

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jodi

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Hello!

I am new to this site and was wondering if anyone can recommend a vet in Kansas that specializes in dealing with diabetic cats?
My cat's blood sugar levels have been running a little over 300, she is taking 9 units of Lantis insulin twice a day. Would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks!
Jodi
 
Can't help with Kansas area, but may I ask what food kitty usually eats? How long has kitty been diabetic? Do you use Lantus vials or cartridges, and how long have you used it?
 
Specialists aren't usually required; what IS required is a good vet with a good bit of common sense...

I can understand why you are concerned though, with that dose. It may be that your cat needs a high dose, but we see tons of cats who are overdosed here and it is too bad. Can you answer some of the questions asked above and also how was your cat diagnosed? Do you test blood glucose levels at home?

Jen
 
She was diagnosed about two years ago. She was on insulin for about three or four months when she came down with a severe upper respiratory infection. Her insulin dosage at that time was three units twice a day. She was admitted to a 24 hr. vet hospital/clinic where she stayed for a week. During her stay, her diabetes seemed to go away and she was off insulin for about five or six months. She was reiagnosed and put back on insulin and has been on it since. Her amount was just raised from 8 units to nine twice a day. Approximately two months ago she was treated for pancreatitus. She eats Fancy Feast cat food and seems to be hungrier than normal. She uses Lantis insulin in a vial bottle.
 
There's the problem, or at least, the potential problem.

Testing at the clinic is problematic; veterinary journal articles, vets and even the canadian veterinary assoc recommend home testing over clinic testing. Clinic testing does not mimic home conditions, and vet stress MAY inflate blood glucose levels, leading to a dose that is higher than what is needed.

Testing at home is soooo much better. It is the best tool you can have; you test prior to shots, you test inbetween shots, and you can test if you think something is 'off'. This testing tells you how the insulin is working in your cat, and based on test results you and your vet can work on dosing.

Lantus should be started at 0.5 to 1.0 units twice a day and dose raised only after 5-7 days, based on preshot and low point/nadir values. We have tons of info for you at the lantus insulin subgroup.....

what do you think? Would you be willing to test? Would you be willing to also ask your vet to run a few blood tests for other conditions?

Jen
 
I am not sure I would be able to test at home, how is it done? I am always afraid I will poke her wrong when I am giving her her insulin. I can't imagine how I would be able to handle a blood test at home. What other types of test are you referring to?
 
Hi Jodi,

Unfortunately, not many of my colleagues are well-versed in dealing with diabetic cats and, sadly, many cats end up being terribly mis-managed because of this fact.

There are many good websites that discuss home testing but you may also want to check out the home testing section on my Diabetes page linked below.

I realize that it sounds daunting at first but trying to manage a diabetic cat without home testing is a bit like driving a car with a paper bag over your head.

I am also not a fan of basing a dosage on in-clinic curves since they are not always accurate and the insulin needs of a cat can change not-infrequently....usually resulting in the overdosing of insulin.

Your cat is on a very high dosage....which causes me concern....
 
Testing at home is very easy, so please don't be alarmed at the suggestion.

I have two high dose cats and I had them tested as I suggested to you around the time the dose for Shadoe was 9u BID. She had also had pancreatitis a bit earlier.

Testing your cat at home is easy. You poke the tip of the cats ear, and using a normal glucose meter you can get at any pharmacy, suck up the bead of blood from the poke onto a test strip in the meter and the meter gives you a number. I don't have a link handy but you can search on youtube and find lots of videos that show home testing. I bet there are some others here who can give you the links too.
Easy peasy; my two cats sleep through the testing.

Think back to your first giving shots and how you felt then. I am sure a poke in the ear for a drop of blood to test is going to be easier than learning to give the insulin shots. I know you can do it and there are many people around here that can help you with tips if you have any problems. There are lots of videos to watch as well.

Once you are testing, you can do your own curves to see what the insulin is doing. You may see that the BG numbers stay fairly high and flat so you would think more insulin is needed, OR, you may see a high number when you give the shot, but then the numbers drop very low, too low, and then just bounce up again high by the time of the next shot. It's very helpful and puts you more in control when you know what the reaction is to those shots you are giving your cat. No more need to take your cat to a vet place and hang around all day in strange surroundings, all to be poked in the ear a few times by strangers. Better to be poked at home, by someone known who loves her.

With a high dose, there can be other issues contributing to that need. Infections can cause raised numbers; tests can rule those out. Dental problems can contribute to raised numbers; you can have the vet ensure no oral problems are present, and you would likely see your cat exhibit eating problems. Some food issues can contribute to high numbers as well; removing all high carb foods, and tossing all dry foods plus those treats out the window will help immensely. But, while you are checking all these other things out, I would suggest you make arrangements to have your cat tested for insulin resistance.
The two tests links I provided earlier are where you can start. My vet knew nothing of the tests, nor where to have such a thing done. I provided the sheets, said to call and find out what was needed, and the tests were done.

The tests will let you know what is the issue. A positive result for one or both is telling you that you have a functioning pancreas. Regular diabetics have pancreas issues and so you would have an important difference in your pile of knowledge. There are plenty of high dose people around who can help you out, and you won't change how you treat. You just know the reason for the high dose. And you will give her what she needs. If it's more insulin, then that's what you give.

Another thing you may want to consider is using two insulins, a basal and a bolus, if your home testing shows that the BG numbers are all very high and flat. You can use Humulin R to pull down the BG number to a safer level for your cat, but R is to be given is very small amounts to start -just a drop to start is sometimes enough for some cats. Do not start R until you are home testing and have gathered some info to know how your cat reacts. Using R helps but you need to be testing hourly in the beginning, so R is something to know about but leave until later.

But first things first.
Be sure the diet is all low carb, wet food. Dr Lisa has an immense wealth of knowledge, and can answer a great deal of concerns you may have.
Be sure there are no infections or other health issues that could be present. They truly can make a big difference in the numbers.
Be sure there are no dental or oral issues present. A dental and one extraction resulted in my Shadoe dropping from 14u to 2.75u but it did not last since the dental problem was only part of the picture. She still tested positive for Acromegaly.
Home testing is quite important for such high doses and even more important when you begin to make healthy changes for your cat. Once changes are made you may find that the high dose comes down quickly.

Please do ask any and all questions you may have.
 
How old is the bottle of Lantus? Your cat *may* be needing a large dose of insulin beaues the insulin is simply pooped out/lost effectiveness. A bottle of Lantus lasts about a month, maybe a little more. If your bottle is more than a month old, buy a new bottle and use it BUTdo not give 9 units because the new bottle will pack a punch. Not sure how low a dose you should go if you start a new bottle. Usually it's 1 unit BID but other factors may determine how low a dose you should go, such as if your cat is ketone prone or has other medical issues.

As others have said, do consider hometesting your cat. It is the only way to know how the insulin is working. And be sure to feed a low carb canned food diet but don't change the food right away because doing so will have a big impact on blood glucose levels, especially if you are giving 9 units BID.
 
Jodi

When squeak was diagnosed and people here told me to test, I freaked out. I was sure I couldn't do it and that he would hate me. But I did and he didn't. It involves a little pen with a lancet and we poke their ear for a drop of blood and it doesn't hurt. We test that blood with the same tester that human diabetics use and it tells us how the insulin is working.

I know this is overwhelming but I am testament that it is totally doable.

Consider posting your general location in case one of us lives nearby and can help. You need to take control now with that hi dose, and we can help

Jen
 
Jodi,

Trust me, you can learn to test at home. If you had a diabetic baby, you would never give insulin without testing. It is not a blood test like you get at the doctor. It is a little pin prick on the edge of the ear.

Cats like routine. They will come to you for the test if they are fed after it.

And, if you looked at the info that came with your Lantus insulin, it mentions 28 days after opening the vial as the life of the insulin. We recommend that you get cartridges not vials. In the long run, it is cheaper.

Good luck with your kitty,

Claudia
 
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