less insulin, less duration.... disagree...

[Melissa&Paul-Kyle]

A few weeks ago, somthing was posted here on Lev about less insulin, less duration...a study quoted I htink...was it Monique that posted? Also, Pamela commented in my last post about the same.

I have to disagree with this from personal experience with PK...PK is a late peaker- +12 usually...actually he continues to go lower until I feed him. So, if I shoot at +12, but don't feed until +14, he continues to droip until +14. ( see spread sheet from late last year where trials were done to determine this)

I intentionally keep PK higher at peak ( 150's) b/c he spikes so bad after food ( yes, it is low, low carb- he even spikes on raw food) and I prefer to shallow his curve to prevent extreme highs and lows.

Even with that, he still peaks around +12, to me that shows that he gets a full duration use of his dose- whether it is 1.5u or .3u as it is now.

I can't hardly believe that PK is the ONLY cat in the entire world that gets full duration on micro doses, so maybe I am misunderstanding what was written about duration and smaller doses?

Or could it be that when a kitty needs lower doses he is generally having pancreas action anyway, so it is indeterminate whether it is p action or insulin carrying the entire 12 hours?

open to debate and discussion, of course.

Thanks

 

[pamela and tigger]

I can't hardly believe that PK is the ONLY cat in the entire world that gets full duration on micro doses, so maybe I am misunderstanding what was written about duration and smaller doses?

This is from human literature (Dr. Bernstein is just one I quoted). So to me the concept should still apply to cats - I don't see why it wouldn't - but I am sure there would be a lot of exceptions just like with people, since it is a 'general' rule. There are also many other variables to consider some of which as cat owners we have no control over. I didn't mean this to be an absolute and should have said instead "generally lower doses have shorter duration".

Or could it be that when a kitty needs lower doses he is generally having pancreas action anyway, so it is indeterminate whether it is p action or insulin carrying the entire 12 hours?

After I wrote that and thinking back I thought of this too, that what Dr. Bernstein and others are referring could be Type 1 diabetics. That with so many cats being Type 2 with some pancreatic action it would not necessarily apply.

But regardless, I still don't see with the limited amount of spot checking here how this can be for sure determined. One spot check on 6/23 doesn't say enough to me. I am not saying you are wrong, I just would like more, consistent proof. You are saying this is an absolute with PK and I don't know that we can afford to say that. Maybe you and others may not agree with me, that is okay! I was just giving my reservations and opinion and I still can't help but do this nailbite_smile on those low preshots (that was for you Sheila LOL).

Not "saying" anything.... (holding breath, throwing salt, umbrellas closed inside, crossing paws, no crack stepping on....)

Me too, I would like nothing better for you and your PK.

 

[Sheila & Beau GA & Jeddie GA]

I can't remember exactly where "less insulin = less duration" came from , but I do remember it and I thought there was a qualifier on it like a cat going OTJ can still get longer duration on micro doses. I know Beau sure did. You even get to the skipping shot stage with them.

And, as with every "rule" of FD, ECID. You just gotta know thy cat.