Introducing Chaos, age 11

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Violet and Chaos

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Hi, Everybody.
First, I'd like to express my gratitude for this site. If I'd had internet access when Chaos was first dx'd last February, I would have done things differently from the start. Now that I have more info, I am ready to make a few changes. I've already got my newbie kit on the way (ty Lori and Tom!) and will begin to test his BG as soon as it arrives. Lucky me- he's a white kitty so it's really easy to see where to poke on his little pink ears :mrgreen: I've started playing with his ears as much as possible so he will be used to it when the meter arrives. Surprisingly, I never had any trouble with the shots- Chaos jumps up on the table purring and waits patiently for mama bean to do her thing! BG testing shouldn't be a big deal once we get used to it. I was very relieved when I read on this site that stress can raise his BG. His glucose curve numbers at the vet always seemed high to me when compared to his behavior at home; I suspected that was the cause. He doesn't travel well and gets so stressed out he poops in his carrier every time we go to the vet- poor little guy!
His vet said I could feed him one or both kinds of prescription food- Royal Canin diabetic DX (dry only) and Royal Canin calorie control high protein (wet or dry available). It seems like the prescription food has made him a bit overweight. He's a big, tall kitty who should weigh 11-12 lbs and he's at 13.5 right now. The vet wants Chaos to lose a couple pounds, but I can't get the extra weight off him after reducing the amount of food little by little. He's playful and happy on the vet's prescribed diet and 2.5 units Lantus BID, but after reading all the info here I think we may do even better with different food, and maybe get that extra 2 lbs off him, too. I used to give just a teaspoon of the wet food as a treat and mostly kibbles, but am now shifting to a slightly more wet/less dry feeding to get him used to a mostly wet diet. After reading the charts and seeing the difference in carbs between the wet and the dry, I will likely need to reduce insulin after testing and shifting him to an almost all-wet diet. I am making the change very slowly to avoid problems. He's never had a hypo and is playful and happy, so I think things are OK. He's got a great appetite, loves to eat, so changing food won't be problematic for him as far as getting him to eat is concerned. My problem is my civvie cat, Lu, who is 15, a little stiff in the joints, and needs to gain some weight. He gets both wet and dry food as well; Authority sensitive solutions kibble and their wet pate formulas. Lu has definitely gotten smaller since I had to start putting his dry food up when he's not eating it so that Chaos won't eat himself sick. Chaos will eat whatever's put down for him or Lu, so it's hard to feed up the civvie kitty while keeping control of the sugar kitty's diet. Lu is a hardcore free-feeder and won't eat his whole portion at once even when he knows I'm going to put it away the minute he stops eating. Is the best strategy in this case is to feed a mostly wet diet to each at mealtimes (can be different food for each cat) and leave out a few kibbles so that Lu has a chance to free-feed and maybe gain some weight? Any suggestions or advice? Is there a good dry kibble to use for this?
 
Welcome to FDMB

The lowest carb dry food is EVO Cat & Kitten, at 8%. I use it for treats and to help my underweight oldsters gain a little weight.

Tiggy will scarf up as much as he can, so he gets a few while the others get a bigger scoop under supervision. I have to pick up the dishes when the others are done or Tiggy will eat anything.

We do give Wellness canned Chicken and Turkey flavors - unlimited because my cats are grazers (used to graze on dry years ago)

My cats lost about 1 lb each when we changed to only Wellness canned (0 to 3% carbs). Two then lost more weight due to stress when we tried to introduce another cat into our home - hence giving them some EVO to build them back up.
 
Welcome to the FDMB family!

Just wanted to touch on something you said about trying to feed to different diets...I personally have 10 cats only 1 a diabetic who is now diet controlled. But all 10 eat exactly the same thing, I feed Friskies Pate favors to everyone, now I am home all day so I can get away with this but I feed 4 times a day more or less depending on how everyone is eating that day.
If I am going to be gone for an extended period of time I will freeze their food and put it out frozen so they can nibble on it a little at a time as it thaws.

So you most certainly put both kitties on the same diet, I wish I could let you feel my civies since they have been on an all wet diet, because not only has my sugar cat benefitted from the diet change so have my civies. They have a much better coat and energy level, as well as my one guy with severe allergies have had them completely disappeared. For a long time while everyone was on kibble I could tell the difference in my cats at night when they would come to bed with me, by just the feel of their coats, now I have to figure out who is who by where they are sleeping (they all have "their" spots) and by size and shape, as there isn't a rough coat among them.

It is wonderful that you are going to be home testing, as that is probably the very best thing you can do for you baby to make sure he is safe on the insulin but you are not going to want to change his diet too much until you are testing at home. Since lots of cats BGs drop dramatically once the diet is changed from dry to wet, some as much as 100 pts. Home testing is going to reduce a lot of stress on both you and Chase as well as giving you truer numbers and more money in your pocket. Once your newbie kit arrives let us know what numbers you are seeing and what insulin you are on and we will be able to help you to the best of our abilities.

This all seems very overwhelming and down right scary at first but very shortly you will feel like an old pro and the routine becomes as easy as breathing or brushing your teeth. If this wasn't such an easy disease to manage I would have never adopted my boy Max from this very board as a diabetic when my first sugarkitty Muse passed away (from cancer not diabetes). If I can do it with a cat I have never met until the day I picked him up from the airport, you can certainly do this with Chase who you have a long and loving relationship with. And now that you have found us we will hold your hand/paw through it all

Mel, Max & The Fur Gang
 
Hi Violet,

So glad you found us! You have certainly been doing a lot of reading and sliding down that steep learning curve. You have already gotten lots of wonderful advice. The food info you have been given will help you figure out the feeding situation.

Wonderful that your meter is on the way. Besides playing with Chaos' ears, you might go ahead and make a rice sack and start heating them up. (It really helps with new diabetics to have warm ears for poking.) Take a thinnish sock and fill it with raw rice. Knot it and heat in the microwave until very warm but not hot. Just rest it against his ears until they are very warm. In some kitties, you can actually see the vein and capillaries pop up.

Keep reading and asking questions. We are all so pleased that our kitties were regulated and in remission that we want to help others.
 
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