I'm worried about Alphie. Feeling hopeless.

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Hey everyone. Hope all is well.
Alphie has been drinking an awful lot all day and I'm starting to get worried. I accidentally bought a human glucose meter because I heard that you could use that, but then I was told that I'd have to get a special one just for cats. So I can't check his sugar right now because it's 4 AM here and I can't drive.
I'm just scared, guys. Every time he goes to the vet, his numbers are between 350-400 and the lowest it's been was 300 last vet appointment. I want him to be okay and happy, but I don't know what to do. What can I do to make all of this better?
He's currently acting like himself otherwise, but I remember him drinking a lot before he went to the hospital for ketoacidosis. I can't lose him. He's my world.
 
Hi there. I can understand your fear around all that's going on. I'm glad to hear he's acting normal except for the extra water consumption.
I'm guessing you don't have any test strips to check for ketones at home. It's a really good idea to test Alphie at home so that you can catch any ketones early and try to keep him out of the hospital. You can pick them up at most pharmacies or order some online. I'll try to find a link for them if you are not familiar.
Second, most of us here use human meters to test our kitties. The test strips are much cheaper and more readily available at local stores.
The human meters do get different results than the ones for dogs and cats, so whichever one you go with, please make sure you understand what the normal ranges are for the kind you are using (especially which number is too low and in the hypo range).
 
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Hi there. I can understand your fear around all that's going on. I'm glad to hear he's acting normal except for the extra water consumption.
I'm guessing you don't have any test strips to check for ketones at home. It's a really good idea to test Alphie at home so that you can catch any ketones early and try to keep him out of the hospital. You can pick them up at most pharmacies or order some online. I'll try to find a link for them if you are not familiar.
Second, most of us here use human meters to test our kitties. The test strips are much cheaper and more readily available at local stores.
The human meters do get different results than the ones for dogs and cats, so whichever one you go with, please make sure you understand what the normal ranges are for the kind you are using (especially which number is too low and in the hypo range).



Thank you for your reply! I do need to get the strips to test for ketones. I'll make sure to get those tomorrow when my mom gets off of work.
I bought the reli on prime meter before the vet told me not to use it. I still have it and I plan on using it to test Alphie. Do you or anyone know what range is okay? Like what numbers should I be worried about?
 
Hi and welcome.

First let me say that we understand your concerns - we have all been there. However, you have found the best possible place to get help for Alphie.

As Barbara mentioned, it is perfectly fine to use a human meter to test your cat's blood glucose levels. Most of us here do, because the strips for pet meters are ridiculously expensive and hard to get. In fact, the guidelines here are all written with the assumption you are using a human meter.

So, you are ready to help Alphie, and we can assist you with that.

Can you give us some basic info first? How old is Alphie? When was he diagnosed? How much does he weigh? Where do you live (you can be as vague as you like on that one - we need to basically know time zone and country).

Do you have the readings that have been taken so far? Have you tried testing with the meter that you have? What kind is it?

What are you feeding? Does Alphie have any other medical conditions or is he on any other meds?

I know these are a lot of questions, but the more we know about Alphie and his current situation, the better equipped we will be to help.

Take a deep breath. It's going to be okay.
:bighug:
 
Thank you for your reply! I do need to get the strips to test for ketones. I'll make sure to get those tomorrow when my mom gets off of work.
I bought the reli on prime meter before the vet told me not to use it. I still have it and I plan on using it to test Alphie. Do you or anyone know what range is okay? Like what numbers should I be worried about?
Highs number cause damage gradually, so unless he is throwing ketones, Alphie is in no immediate danger. The recipe for ketones is not enough insulin + not enough food + infection. BUT we always encourage testing when kitty's numbers are high.

Your vet is like many others in thinking you HAVE to use a pet meter, but the truth is that you do not. I'm sure your vet is very good, but you should know that at UC Davis, the #1 vet school in the country, students get exactly 5 hours of training on diabetes - and that covers both cats and dogs! So, unless your vet has had a lot of diabetic cats in his/her care, chances are he/she only knows the basics. The people here are not vets, but amongst us we have thousands of hours of study of FD. Many of us have dealt with it 24/7 for years, some with more than one cat.
 
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Hi and welcome.

First let me say that we understand your concerns - we have all been there. However, you have found the best possible place to get help for Alphie.

As Barbara mentioned, it is perfectly fine to use a human meter to test your cat's blood glucose levels. Most of us here do, because the strips for pet meters are ridiculously expensive and hard to get. In fact, the guidelines here are all written with the assumption you are using a human meter.

So, you are ready to help Alphie, and we can assist you with that.

Can you give us some basic info first? How old is Alphie? When was he diagnosed? How much does he weigh? Where do you live (you can be as vague as you like on that one - we need to basically know time zone and country).

Do you have the readings that have been taken so far? Have you tried testing with the meter that you have? What kind is it?

What are you feeding? Does Alphie have any other medical conditions or is he on any other meds?

I know these are a lot of questions, but the more we know about Alphie and his current situation, the better equipped we will be to help.

Take a deep breath. It's going to be okay.
:bighug:


Alphie is 6 years old and got diagnosed January 26th of this year. He weights around 10 lbs. He lost a lot of weight when he had ketoacidosis and he's slowly gaining it back.
I live in Virginia, so I'm in Eastern Standart Time.
I've never tried to do a reading with this glucose meter. I'd really like to start, though. I have a couple of readings from his last glucose curve in his folder, which of course I left at work, so I'll have to post those tomorrow. But they used a meter specifically for cats. I currently have the ReliOn prime. Is that one okay, or should I look into getting something else?
He's currently eating half a can of wet nine lives and 1/3rd of a cup of dry nine lives mixed together for both breakfast and dinner and takes 4 units of vetsulin twice a day. His doctor talked about possibly changing his food next visit since I've heard dry cat food isn't that great.
Alphie doesn't have any other health conditions, thankfully.
I hope I answered all the questions. I'm half asleep and Alphie is currently laying on my arm so it's hard to type. Lol
 
I hope I answered all the questions. I'm half asleep and Alphie is currently laying on my arm so it's hard to type. Lol
That's a good start!
Six years old is pretty young to get FD. Did the vet have any idea what might have brought it on? Most diabetic cats are much older, but it isn't unheard of in younger cats.

You are correct that dry food is not "that great". It isn't particularly good for any cat, but especially not for a diabetic cat, as it is very high in carbs, and if you know anything about diabetes, you know carbs are bad. Nine Lives makes some wet foods that are fairly low in carbs, though, so that part might be okay. You want to stick with the pates and avoid anything with a sauce or gravy. Here is a link to a food list that gives you the values for carbs (as well as other things). You want to feed something that is 10% carbs or lower. This list was put together by a vet, Dr. Lisa Pierson, who sometimes posts on this site. If you go to her home page, catinfo.org, You will find more info than you ever wanted to know about feline nutrition. Dr. Lisa explains why dry food is bad.

If you decide to stop feeding dry, you need to be aware that Alphie's Blood Glucose numbers could drop significantly, so be sure you have begun home testing before you do that. Here is a post about home testing to help you learn about it. We can help with any questions you have.

I don't know a lot about Vetsulin, as my kitties were on Lantus. The current thinking is that Lantus and Levemir are actually better choices for insulin for cats. If you would like to learn about them, go to the Lantus & Levemir forum. There are a number of "stickies" full of info there.

Above all, know that this is not hopeless. Perhaps you should get some sleep, do some reading, and check back in with us tomorrow.
 
Oh sweetie, don't lose hope! As Tricia said, you've comed to the right place for help. Home testing is vital to keeping your sweet kitty safe. Some vets don't approve of using a human meter to test your cat because they do measure blood glucose differently (you cannot compare the two) but the test strips definitely are cheaper and more accessible with a human meter. It isn't the number so much that we focus on (unless it's too low!), but the range of numbers. If you look at my "Signature" at the bottom of this post, you will see a link to my kitty's spreadsheet; click on it and look at his spreadsheet. You will see, up at the top, the ranges we look at when we test. (Just please don't try to copy my dosing, I use a different insulin than you and a very aggressive treatment method)

Please DO pick up some ketone test strips! It's so important to test for ketones, especially if Alphie has already had diabetic ketoacidosis. They are easy to use - I just wait til I catch my guy peeing and wave the stick through his urine stream. Most of them say to read them at 15 seconds, it'll tell you in the directions, so make sure you read it when they say to. If it sits much longer it can turn darker and give you a false reading.

Kitties who have unregulated diabetes tend to be hungry very frequently, because they cannot process their food properly. It's okay to feed him a little more than you might usually, especially if he needs to gain a little weight. Cutting the dry food out of his diet will help a lot, but please don't make that transition til you are home testing regularly. It's best to transition gradually over the course of several days. This will probably cause a drop in Alphie's blood glucose. We want you to be testing so you can catch this drop and keep him from dropping too low, which can be very dangerous (I'm not trying to scare you, just stating a fact).

When my cat was first diagnosed he started on Vetsulin, too. Four units is a pretty big dose. Most cats start out around 1 unit, and we suggest only raising the dose by 0.25 units at a time. This way you don't pass over the best dose for your cat. Sometimes a cat who is receiving too much insulin will have high numbers because of something we call bouncing. This happens when kitty's bg drops very low, or lower than he is used to, and his body goes into panic mode; when this happens, the liver starts dumping glucogen into the system, thinking it needs to bring the bg back up. (That's the simplified version, anyway!) This will result in high bg numbers. I'm not saying that's what's going on with your Alphie, just something to keep in mind, and another good reason to home test!

One last note on cat food! You absolutely DO NOT need to buy the fancy, expensive "prescription" foods, there is nothing at all prescription about them, a lot of them are full of junk fillers like cellulose (sawdust), and they are mostly higher than 10% carbs. The food list Tricia gave you the link to is a great help for choosing foods for our sugar kitties, and includes foods in all price ranges

I hope we haven't overwhelmed you! I'm sure you will have more questions. Don't be afraid to ask, everybody here is very helpful, and there are no stupid questions. :):):)

P.S. Alphie is gorgeous!!!:cat:
 
Alphie is 6 years old and got diagnosed January 26th of this year. He weights around 10 lbs. He lost a lot of weight when he had ketoacidosis and he's slowly gaining it back.
I live in Virginia, so I'm in Eastern Standart Time.
I've never tried to do a reading with this glucose meter. I'd really like to start, though. I have a couple of readings from his last glucose curve in his folder, which of course I left at work, so I'll have to post those tomorrow. But they used a meter specifically for cats. I currently have the ReliOn prime. Is that one okay, or should I look into getting something else?
He's currently eating half a can of wet nine lives and 1/3rd of a cup of dry nine lives mixed together for both breakfast and dinner and takes 4 units of vetsulin twice a day. His doctor talked about possibly changing his food next visit since I've heard dry cat food isn't that great.
Alphie doesn't have any other health conditions, thankfully.
I hope I answered all the questions. I'm half asleep and Alphie is currently laying on my arm so it's hard to type. Lol
The relion prime is fine too use. Most people here use the relion micro or confirm meter because the sample size is smaller than the prime... It can be tricky to get a bigger sample at first. If you find yourself unable to consistently get a big enough sample you may consider switching to a micro or confirm. Pet meters are great too, I use the Alphatrak 2 because I like having the same readings as my vet, but at a dollar each it's expensive. If your vet insists you use an Alphatrak you could do day to day readings with a human meter and a weekly curve with the Alphatrak. Human meters run lower then pet meters but either will tell you if you are high or low. Normal on a human meter is 50-120 and on a pet meter it's 68-150. Human meters will run lower at high numbers and closer to the pet meter at lower numbers. So at low numbers they may only be 20-30 numbers lower, but at very high numbers they may be 100 points or more different.

I have a video in my signature showing how I test my cat CC.
 
Hi. If you get a chance to set up a signature, you can put some of the basic info in it like Alphie's age, diagnosis date and type of insulin so that you will not be asked about those things every time you post. :) Also, when you start testing, you will want to set up a spreadsheet and put a link to it in your signature. That allows everyone to see the test history so they can better help you.

This is not easy, but it is doable. Seeing all of the people on here who have managed it, some for years, helps remind me of that. Don't lose hope! :bighug:
 
Hi. If you get a chance to set up a signature, you can put some of the basic info in it like Alphie's age, diagnosis date and type of insulin so that you will not be asked about those things every time you post. :) Also, when you start testing, you will want to set up a spreadsheet and put a link to it in your signature. That allows everyone to see the test history so they can better help you.

This is not easy, but it is doable. Seeing all of the people on here who have managed it, some for years, helps remind me of that. Don't lose hope! :bighug:


Thank you! I just got my signature set up. I'll have to set up a spreadsheet when I'm able to start testing! We just tried, but he didn't want to and kept walking away from me. So I decided that's enough for now. I feel so bad! I poked myself with one of the lancets and it hurt! But I also have a really low pain tolerance.
 
Hey everyone! I'm trying my best to reply to everyone, but I'm sure I've missed a few. But I have a little bit of an update:
Alphie isn't drinking a ton this morning like he was yesterday. I'd say he's drinking the amount he drinks on a "normal" day.
He's still acting like himself. Although he's a little mad at me at the moment! Here's why:
I decided to try to start home testing today and he's not too happy about it. I tried to do his ear first, but that didn't work. He just kept walking away from me. So I tried his paw and he wouldn't let me. He kept curling it up and digging his claws into my hands. So I've decided to wait until later to try again, because he's had enough. I feel so bad! I know it's for the best, but I'm scared I'll hurt him. I felt the same way when I started giving him shots for the first time. I know it will get easier with time, but does anyone have any suggestions on how I can make it easier (for the both of us) now?
 
I just replied on another thread and will add here what I said there. Plus, an additional note - I have heard that testing in the paw pad is more painful for them than testing in the ear. So, I would suggest trying to do it with the ear, if you can.

Let me share with you that testing completely stressed me out. I so badly did not want to do it, but I quickly came to realize I had to. There is just no way to manage this without knowing their glucose levels. I MADE myself start doing it, and at first, it was horrible - no sugar coating here - it was a nightmare. I felt horrible every time I had to stick my baby, and when I would fumble a bit and have to end up sticking her again or would fail to get enough blood to even get a result after putting her through it, I felt even worse. I just knew I was hurting her and that she was going to hate me. I did my first curve just 4 days after starting testing, and that was a really rough day for us all, BUT that day is when I started to turn a corner. Practice really does make it better. I realized I had to chill out and be very efficient and quick about it, no hesitation at all. I also realized that, in our case, having the husband's help was making it worse. For whatever reason, Mia was less stressed when it was just me. Everyone's suggestions here really do help like having a specific place you always do it and finding a treat your baby really likes to always use as a test reward. As you become more comfortable with the whole thing, so will your baby. If you hardly ever do it, it will always stay awkward and stressful. If you do it frequently enough that it becomes routine, it is no longer stressful. Now, when I start to get Mia's treat ready, she comes to me meowing, and she jumps up in her testing spot on her own. I could not even imagine that ever happening in the beginning.
 
Thank you! I just got my signature set up. I'll have to set up a spreadsheet when I'm able to start testing! We just tried, but he didn't want to and kept walking away from me. So I decided that's enough for now. I feel so bad! I poked myself with one of the lancets and it hurt! But I also have a really low pain tolerance.
They have very few nerve endings on the edges.
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Cats have very few nerve endings in the edges of their ears. Nature designed them this way on purpose; when a cat (and this is true of the big cats, too) gets in a scuffle or fight, the ears are very vulnerable to being bitten or torn, so they all have less nerve endings at the edges of the ears. Your cat may be annoyed with you messing with his ear, but I doubt you are hurting him much, if at all. :) Remember to always give him lots of pets and, of course, treats, lol! Two years ago I never would have thought it possible, but my cat now runs to me to be tested when he sees the kit come out; he always gets his very favorite treat after an ear poke (and that's the only time he gets that particular treat).
 
Cats have very few nerve endings in the edges of their ears. Nature designed them this way on purpose; when a cat (and this is true of the big cats, too) gets in a scuffle or fight, the ears are very vulnerable to being bitten or torn, so they all have less nerve endings at the edges of the ears. Your cat may be annoyed with you messing with his ear, but I doubt you are hurting him much, if at all. :) Remember to always give him lots of pets and, of course, treats, lol! Two years ago I never would have thought it possible, but my cat now runs to me to be tested when he sees the kit come out; he always gets his very favorite treat after an ear poke (and that's the only time he gets that particular treat).

Thank you! That makes it a lot more comforting to know that it won't hurt him as much as I think it will!
What treats do you recommend? I'm scared I'll give him something that'll mess his blood sugar up.
 
It's not hurting him, it's just different. Give treats after 3 tries and try again later. Give it 2 weeks and I promise it will be MUCH easier!

HUGS!

Thank you! Are there any treats you would recommend? I'm scared to give him anything because I don't want to do anything to mess his blood sugar up.
 
I just replied on another thread and will add here what I said there. Plus, an additional note - I have heard that testing in the paw pad is more painful for them than testing in the ear. So, I would suggest trying to do it with the ear, if you can.

Let me share with you that testing completely stressed me out. I so badly did not want to do it, but I quickly came to realize I had to. There is just no way to manage this without knowing their glucose levels. I MADE myself start doing it, and at first, it was horrible - no sugar coating here - it was a nightmare. I felt horrible every time I had to stick my baby, and when I would fumble a bit and have to end up sticking her again or would fail to get enough blood to even get a result after putting her through it, I felt even worse. I just knew I was hurting her and that she was going to hate me. I did my first curve just 4 days after starting testing, and that was a really rough day for us all, BUT that day is when I started to turn a corner. Practice really does make it better. I realized I had to chill out and be very efficient and quick about it, no hesitation at all. I also realized that, in our case, having the husband's help was making it worse. For whatever reason, Mia was less stressed when it was just me. Everyone's suggestions here really do help like having a specific place you always do it and finding a treat your baby really likes to always use as a test reward. As you become more comfortable with the whole thing, so will your baby. If you hardly ever do it, it will always stay awkward and stressful. If you do it frequently enough that it becomes routine, it is no longer stressful. Now, when I start to get Mia's treat ready, she comes to me meowing, and she jumps up in her testing spot on her own. I could not even imagine that ever happening in the beginning.

This really helped me calm down a bit! I know it'll get easier with time, but gosh it's still scary! He's finally not upset with me anymore and is currently cuddled up with my leg with his brother!
 
Thank you! Are there any treats you would recommend? I'm scared to give him anything because I don't want to do anything to mess his blood sugar up.

I make chicken bone broth and spoon it into ice cube trays to freeze. I keep a Ziploc freezer bag of the cubes in the freezer and thaw one for each test. Mia LOVES it, and I know it is good for her. Prior to discovering this, the only thing she considered to really be a treat was tuna or at least the 'juice' from tuna canned in water. I was worried about giving her too much of that though so I was thrilled to find out she loves bone broth. (I do freeze a few small tuna 'juice' ice cubes to use for some of the tests on curve days.)

If you want something more traditional, Fancy Feast has treats called Purely that are just meat. They come in Chicken, Tuna and Salmon.
 
Thank you! Are there any treats you would recommend? I'm scared to give him anything because I don't want to do anything to mess his blood sugar up.
Catnip, freeze dried treats, meats (chicken, turkey), deli meats without fillers.
 
Helplessness doesn't have to equal hopelessness. That's a phrase I've learned to help my anxiety problems and it really just means, we may be helpless right now because we don't know how to help ourselves/a situation but that is not the same as hopelessness. Once the puzzle pieces come together, you will know how to help the situation effectively. For me that was a combination of vet information and care, help I got here, reading as much as I can, home testing and curving, getting him on low carb food (including cutting out dry all together) finding the right dose and the right treats (Purebites chicken breastfeeding freeze dried treats). Tigger is on Vetsulin and Fancy Feast twice a day. I use a pet meter but plan on switching when my strip run out because of their cost. It will all come together, just hang in there, you are doing a great job! Oh and at one time he was on 5 units twice per day and heading to award 7 when his eating was getting troublesome. As a result we went back down to 2 units and now his ideal dose is 1.25 and 1.50 units. It may be necessary to reset and lower the dose even that seems opposite of what should happen. to
 
Thank you! Are there any treats you would recommend? I'm scared to give him anything because I don't want to do anything to mess his blood sugar up.
I buy Orijen brand freeze dried meat treats for Teasel. They're a bit pricey but he loves them. They come in several varieties - original (poultry) and wild boar are his faves.
 
Funny story - my vet showed me on how to take a test using a human meter. Sent me to the human pharmacy to pick one up and all her guidelines for shooting numbers were based upon the human meter.

The guidelines here are based on human meters.
 
Headbutts from our orange boy, Whispy, to Alphie :)

Try not to be so tense when testing. Hard, I know, but "Fake it 'til you make it"

That is, shake off your fears. Don't think of it as pricking Alphie. Just approach it as something that just has to be done. Just go and do it. I have to do the dishes. I have to sweep the floor. I have to test Alphie... You get the idea.

If it is unsuccessful, it just goes back on the to do list for later today. Your emotions really do transfer to your boy, so give it a try. I did have a diabetic prior to Whisper so I already knew how to home test, but when we first adopted Whisper (he was a long term diabetic already), we were new to him, he was new to us, and new to being tested anywhere other than the vet every few months. As I was trying to get him used to it, I told him stories as we tested. I told him stories about the big shoes that he had to fill that our Brady (GA) left behind. I told him how weird it was when I found him on petfinder.com. Whatever. It was just all so that I would concentrate a little on the story to stay even keeled, Whispy would get used to my voice and the whole testing process, and it was just as normal as washing the dishes.

Best to you both,
Sandi&Whisper.
 
Hi, with the testing I found with my cat, putting him on the kitchen island worked best, I guess its like him being on the vet table. He doesn't like it, moves his head. I try to talk sweetly to him and make sure to give him a treat or two each time. Gets easier. Some people are able to do it with their kitty in their laps, but Marvin is not clingy so that was a no go. Try different places or ways and see what works best, it will take some time for him to get used to it. Also it you are having a hard time getting ear to bleed make sure to warm it up a bit, the blood flows better that way. Also when I first started I had to poke him a couple times in one sitting until I got used to it. It takes a bit of patience, some days he is still a pain and won't let me, but most times he is ok now. He looks for his treat after. good luck.
 
Once you find a place where he is comfortable for you to test him, go back to that same place every time you test. Also, it nay sound crazy, but try singing to him while you're testing. There's something about the chemistry that happens when you sing making it difficult for you to feel as stressed, don't remember the particulars, but it works. Might help keep Alphi calmer, too!

Any type of freeze dried met treats are okay, and fairly convenient. I use the Orijen treats, too, those are Squallie's absolute, bestest, most fantabulous, mind-blowing, he-goes-crazy-for-them, ne plus ultra treats, lol. The only time he gets them is at test time, so he constantly wants me to test him, lol, silly cat. :)
 
Hey everyone. Hope all is well.
Alphie has been drinking an awful lot all day and I'm starting to get worried. I accidentally bought a human glucose meter because I heard that you could use that, but then I was told that I'd have to get a special one just for cats. So I can't check his sugar right now because it's 4 AM here and I can't drive.
I'm just scared, guys. Every time he goes to the vet, his numbers are between 350-400 and the lowest it's been was 300 last vet appointment. I want him to be okay and happy, but I don't know what to do. What can I do to make all of this better?
He's currently acting like himself otherwise, but I remember him drinking a lot before he went to the hospital for ketoacidosis. I can't lose him. He's my world.
How is everything going? Just checking in on you and Alphie. Have your u ditched that terrible dry food yet? Did you get a successful test?
 
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