BK Spreadsheet
Fiona Spreadsheet
IAA Explanation
R-Tips for Jan
Fiona Spreadsheet
IAA Explanation
jojo and bunny said:hey there kiddo. i heard on grapevine you got IAA results , someone sent me number and yes that indeed is positive. well it is not the worst news in world. IAA does seem to resolve one day ~like no time soon, think a year or so in future? only a guess though there on my part. we do NOT have a lot of data on IAA in felines, it simply does not exist in vet lit to give to you. however we have had 2 IAA positive cats in LL. sandy's BK and sharyn's fiona. have not seen sharyn around in ages, however we had sandy's BK's OTJ party a few months ago...and he was on some super high doses of insulin at one point. suggest you go find BK's SS and STUDY IT. of course your cat is not going to do exact same thing, but sandy had the biggest BOS fll_moon fll_moon in LL and that is why BK is OTJ now.
IAA IS NOT ACRO. they are 2 totally unrelated in any way shape or form physiologically. and they are worked differently. with acro we aim for that all blue SS while with IAA we aim for the all green SS. even at the big doses. btw, i was suspecting your cat was not going to be an acro, just didn't look like an acro SS, and then suspected he was gonna be an IAA cat after i saw his big R response to tiny dose (people sent his SS to my sick bed, they have been worried about him), it made sense. have you been able to read up what little there is on IAA? don't even bother trying to find vet lit on it, have to go with human lit and extrapolate.
but basically all you need to know is that your cat has this special reaction that "kills insulin" so even though you might be shooting 20 units of insulin into him one day, 20 units of insulin are not going to effect his BG, he has these million 'little guns' inside his body 'shooting' the insulin molecules as they appear 'killing them' and not much insulin is gonna get past his 'ultra defenses'. there is a war going on inside him. who knew? ya certainly wouldn't to look at him. but you get suspicious about The Great Buddy's Body Insulin Wars of 2010 when you look at SS. remember he has all those million little guns you have only your syringes in this battle. but you can and will win as long as you are brave as a soldier. be brave jan. get those BOS, you are gonna need them (remember as long as you have a well stocked hypo tool box in house, nice little stash of HC canned, it is real easy to have massive BOS) i cannot predict how exactly this is going to go with your cat, ECID, but i have to assume from what i've read and from sandy/BK what works.
we'll talk more....i'm fading for night quick here.....
~jojo
jojo and bunny said:quick answer to the question on why shoot isulin at all if he is just gonna kill it all...because you will shoot a dose large enough to that he runs out of guns and some insulin gets to slip by and touch the BG's. since you read BK's SS you know that DKA can happen to IAA cats and fiona was often battling ketones too.
i would suggest to get yourself one of those precision x-tra meters and te$t $trip$. yeah the test strips are very expensive, but they are worth their weight in gold since ketone show up in blood long before urine and you will have far more advance warning if that ever becomes an issue.
R-Tips for Jan
jojo and bunny said:jan... imho you should not be giving 0.25 units R when you are not home. why? because what i see on your SS is that it sure looks like the R is able at this time to get past the IAA's. (in other words your cat has not built up antibodies, the little gun that kill the insulin to R yet). you get a lot of response off a tiny amount (especailly when you compare it to your basal insulin's dose, like i said that was what tipped me off that he was prolly gonna be an IAA cat, the response between the 2 insulins doesn't match). what you want with R, what the goal is when you have a high number is to take the edge of it. you do not want a 150-200 point drop, even though that would only take you to yellow today simply because that is too steep a drop too quick for a cat's liver and you are going to set off a bounce. instead take 50-75 points off a high PS with your R use and give the lantus an easier number to work with. have to always keep this thought in mind~ what you do this cycle is gonna have big effect on next cycle. so if one is starting off in red, you only want to end up this cycle in pink or high yellow. then next cycle ease it down more, and then next cycle a bit more and you'll be starting a cycle in blue and can get somewhere, rather than going from red to blue in one cycle and then dealing with the bounce from that kind of drop over the next cycles... see what i'm saying?
no biggie today, just see where you are when you get home and then can deal with whatever number that is with this concept described above in mind. R works better in smaller doses more frequently overall for everyone.
~jojo