home made food for FD plus allergies...

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I'm trying to make LB's food at home. He's not well with eosinophilic granuloma, showing new lesions in his mouth and on his skin. We wrecked a hand grinder ($35) in one day grinding up two rabbits this week. LB not too keen on it but is eating it with chicken pieces mixed in it. There is only bone and rabbit (and diced chicken) at this stage. I'm giving him omega 6 (evening primrose oil and vit E via dropper) - feline skin specialist prescribed evening primrose oil (omega 6). If I can't get the eosinophilic granuloma under control his out look is poor - certainly getting worse at this stage. I am thinking of trying duck which is meant to be a good in good oils. Anyone have opinions on duck? I am afraid to mix in the liver and hearts of these animals for fear of putting him totally off eating new foods. I also haven't mixed any water with the rabbit mix as it seems quite mushy and I think it's the texture of it that puts him off - but am willing to take advice on this. Also what is the reason for the boiled egg whites? Is that important? I understand the need for supplements and am trying to follow up on them via the net. Still haven't sourced a grinder that can manage bones to this point.

Anyone else managing eosinophilic granuloma better than we are?
 
Anyname said:
I'm trying to make LB's food at home. He's not well with eosinophilic granuloma, showing new lesions in his mouth and on his skin. We wrecked a hand grinder ($35) in one day grinding up two rabbits this week. LB not too keen on it but is eating it with chicken pieces mixed in it. There is only bone and rabbit (and diced chicken) at this stage.

I am afraid to mix in the liver and hearts of these animals for fear of putting him totally off eating new foods.
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I don't think just bone and meat is nutrionally adequate for a cat (some correct me if I'm wrong). There is a "frankenprey model" of raw feeding which is feeding bones, organs and meat in the same ratio as a mouse's boyd (80% meat, 20% bone, 20% organs *I think*)

You can add a premix to the bone and meat so that your cat is getting all the proper nutrients. TC Instincts, Better In The Raw, and Alnutrin are three brands.

Anyname said:
Still haven't sourced a grinder that can manage bones to this point.
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Dr. Lisa mentions these two on her web site:
http://www.amazon.com/Northern-Industrial-Electric-Meat-Grinder/dp/B0000AXDVK
http://www.onestopjerkyshop.com/tasin-ts108-electric-meat-grinder-p-47.html
 
Dr. Lisa recommends to boil the egg whites because of the egg salmonella scare last year. It is fine to feed raw if you aren't worried about salmonella.
 
Note in her article she said if your kitty has allergies omit the egg. My cat has food related allergies and I omitted the egg just in case. My cats loved the liver... what I did before I bought my grinder was cut up chicken and puree some liver and mix it together, to see if they would eat it... you would not believe how fast they ate it! anyway... I hope this helps!
 
Dr. Lisa's site provides a recipe for making raw food. A diet of meat, bone, and organ meat is not nutritionally complete. There are any number of supplements (e.g., taurine, low sodium salt) that are needed if you want to feed a raw diet and not have your cat develop illnesses due to a lack of certain nutrients. You either need to use a pre-mix or purchase the supplements. Most are available either at a health food store or on-line. You can also substitute bone meal instead of grinding bone. When I was feeding raw, I used a stand mixer with a grinder attachment for the meat and liver -- I used a pre-mix that included calcium.

If you are attempting to deal with allergies, you will need novel protein -- duck, rabbit, or lamb are often good choices. Since your in Australia, there may be other novel proteins that would be available.
 
Yes, thank you all. I've been reading the pre mix option mentioned in the first reply. I am not sure if Aussie customs will let this kind of thing thru. We are very strict about imported food stuffs. I got a look at his tongue last nite and I am now certain that the allergy is causing his FD to be troublesome (numbers been too high since end of January). He was on A/B's last week after a cat fight (nice to see him engaging in the politics of the neighbour hood) but he needed antibiotics afterwards and while on them his numbers returned to low. I'm not sure I can get him well enough to beat eosinophilic granuloma but at least he isn't itching much since eating the rabbit and chicken mix. Also he likes the oils I feed him via eye dropper. I am also doing the flea thing just in case I called it wrong. How bad would it be to give him Capstar? I am putting revolution on his neck. His symptoms are similar to flea allergy. But he itches like made when we feed him beef.

anyway, thanks. This is really difficult and makes the FD seem like a walk in the park. thanks all.
 
don't know if this is appropriate or will help.. just tid bit of info....

My Khan -steriod induced diabetes cat- has allergies it seems to all food he eats.. has for years.. and I have found Fancy Feast Chopped Grill classic to work the very best for him..for his diabetes and for his allergies.. I originally had him on Fancy Feast Savory Salmon classic to bring his BG down.. it worked!!! but I don't want him on strictly salmon..plus his stool stinks my entire house up! LOL.. so he gets both but mostly Chopped Grill classic.. any other foods accept these two he is scratching all his hair off his ears, belly, making his face bleed around his eyes.. even a few kibbles of EVO Salmon dry he is scratching.. Is it the most ideal food I want him to eat? no but it works and he has gained weight and is now off insulin for a month or so!! yipeeeeeee... so I won't complain- he has almost gain most of his lost wt back (he had lost 6#).

Hope maybe this helps.. :)
 
Sienne and Gabby said:
A diet of meat, bone, and organ meat is not nutritionally complete. There are any number of supplements (e.g., taurine, low sodium salt) that are needed if you want to feed a raw diet and not have your cat develop illnesses due to a lack of certain nutrients.
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http://rawfedcats.org/nature.htm advocates a frankenprey model diet that includes no extra vitamins/minerals. Supposedly rotating the types of meat and organs used is enough and mimicks what a cat would eat in the wild.

I'm pretty new to feeding raw and am only feeding commercially prepared raw foods. So I am not at all familiar with frankenprey model diets. I know that some people have great results with feeding a frankenprey model diet and that's great for them :smile:
 
I'm getting fairly desperate. We are in Australia and I don't think the FF is the same as it is in the US but I will look for the two types you mention - he loves tinned FF (can't imagine why!!). The main thing I need to do now is to act quickly to find a drug that will shrink the ulcer on his tongue - but not a steriod drug. Have no idea what. It seems risky to trust the vets to come up with something - it sounds terrible but I can't help wondering if vet science is really vet commerce. Doesn't matter if you don't fix the animal as long as you earn a big salary.

Little Boy is very miserable but he's got loads of weight on so I should not worry that he's not eating - I just don't want him in pain - he's getting loads of cuddles. He could drop a kilo at least while we get him sorted. He sounds exactly like Pepperthecat. I relented at 3am two nights ago and spread a tiny bit of FF on the chicken and he was back scratching by last nite. I end up feeling I need to have him put to sleep so he doesn't have to go thru this any more. :sad:
 
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