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[Bobbie And Bubba]

Could a pair of experienced eyes look at Bubba's spreadsheet entry today. His PMPS was lower than his + 6 today. What would cause that? That's the first time that ever happened. I decided to give him a skinny 1u and I will retest through the night.

 

[Sue and Oliver (GA)]

When you take in consideration that every meter has a variance of +/- 20%, he is pretty flat from +6 on. His pmps is not significantly lower than his +6. I see his cycle as pretty encouraging. We'd like to see him settle into the insulin, gradually get into lower ranges and eventually need less insulin.

A curve might give you some interesting data, if you can get some more numbers over the weekend - you are doing a good job with nadirs, maybe try for some other times like early in the cycle or in the 7 hour range. I'd like to know what his nadirs are overnight - does his daytime cycle look like the night one or are they different? For now, I'd say keep doing what you are doing. I like the dose For the pinks. I wonder if one unit on a yellow causes him to drop into the greens overnight and bounce up for amps. Maybe you could give a little less for those yellows and see if that changes anything.

I know it seems like you have doing this forever, but it's early days. His numbers are pretty good and seem to be gradually improving. I bet one of these days he will start dropping a little more consistently. It takes some kitties longer to have their body efficiently use the new diet and insulin; some get it right away, for some it is a couple months. We really don't start thinking about a problem until they are 4-6 months in.

 

[Bobbie And Bubba]

When you take in consideration that every meter has a variance of +/- 20%, he is pretty flat from +6 on. His pmps is not significantly lower than his +6. I see his cycle as pretty encouraging. We'd like to see him settle into the insulin, gradually get into lower ranges and eventually need less insulin.

A curve might give you some interesting data, if you can get some more numbers over the weekend - you are doing a good job with nadirs, maybe try for some other times like early in the cycle or in the 7 hour range. I'd like to know what his nadirs are overnight - does his daytime cycle look like the night one or are they different? For now, I'd say keep doing what you are doing. I like the dose For the pinks. I wonder if one unit on a yellow causes him to drop into the greens overnight and bounce up for amps. Maybe you could give a little less for those yellows and see if that changes anything.

I know it seems like you have doing this forever, but it's early days. His numbers are pretty good and seem to be gradually improving. I bet one of these days he will start dropping a little more consistently. It takes some kitties longer to have their body efficiently use the new diet and insulin; some get it right away, for some it is a couple months. We really don't start thinking about a problem until they are 4-6 months in.

Thanks Sue. I will try over the weekend to get some nighttime numbers, ugh....I am already sleep deprived so what's a bit more? Good to hear that things are looking decent for him. Fingers crossed.

 

[Brashworks]

Fingers crossed for you and Bubba!

I hope the sleep deprivation and Zombie-Bean (Zombean?) effect wear off quickly. Bubba's a lucky kitty!

 

[Bobbie And Bubba]

Fingers crossed for you and Bubba!

I hope the sleep deprivation and Zombie-Bean (Zombean?) effect wear off quickly. Bubba's a lucky kitty!

Thanks Brashworks! I love all the encouragement this forum gives me.

 

[Bobbie And Bubba]

When you take in consideration that every meter has a variance of +/- 20%, he is pretty flat from +6 on. His pmps is not significantly lower than his +6. I see his cycle as pretty encouraging. We'd like to see him settle into the insulin, gradually get into lower ranges and eventually need less insulin.

A curve might give you some interesting data, if you can get some more numbers over the weekend - you are doing a good job with nadirs, maybe try for some other times like early in the cycle or in the 7 hour range. I'd like to know what his nadirs are overnight - does his daytime cycle look like the night one or are they different? For now, I'd say keep doing what you are doing. I like the dose For the pinks. I wonder if one unit on a yellow causes him to drop into the greens overnight and bounce up for amps. Maybe you could give a little less for those yellows and see if that changes anything.

I know it seems like you have doing this forever, but it's early days. His numbers are pretty good and seem to be gradually improving. I bet one of these days he will start dropping a little more consistently. It takes some kitties longer to have their body efficiently use the new diet and insulin; some get it right away, for some it is a couple months. We really don't start thinking about a problem until they are 4-6 months in.

Well I got some more numbers after the PMPS at +1,+4,+5,+8. After the +8, I gave him 1 tbsp. of Young Again which he inhaled and left the cat buffet. I noticed Civvie,Forrest had not eaten all his and before the AMPS it was all gone and Bubba could have potentially eaten it prior to the AM test making him higher this AM or it could be like you said, Sue, that the 1 u is too much for a yellow shot. ( whew,run on sentence)

 

[Sue and Oliver (GA)]

His numbers look pretty flat but are generally in good ranges. We think that the renal threshold (the range where the pancreas can heal) is somewhere under 250 or so, so the majority of time spent there is a positive sign.

I see two difference approaches. Some get the basics and then we don't see them on the forum for a couple months. They come back after a month or so of steady safe doses And the cat has started to drop and they are adjusting the dose down. The other approach is to be more aggressive. With Bubba's numbers, you could up the dose on pinks to 1.25 and leave the dose on yellow at one for a few days. See if that makes a differnce. Be sure to get nadirs so you know how the insulin is working.

If he is eating too close to test time in the am, you might invest in an automatic feeder. It would provide a snack (in your case with more than one cat, they'd probably have to share) and will closes 2 hours before testing time. Our PetSafe5 has that capacity and is the only one I have found that he can't break into.

Bobbi, if you want, you could post over in The PZi forum for dosing questions. Health is a great place for general health, feeding etc questions, but you can get specific dose suggestions there, and see how others are dealing with their numbers.

 

[Bobbie And Bubba]

His numbers look pretty flat but are generally in good ranges. We think that the renal threshold (the range where the pancreas can heal) is somewhere under 250 or so, so the majority of time spent there is a positive sign.

I see two difference approaches. Some get the basics and then we don't see them on the forum for a couple months. They come back after a month or so of steady safe doses And the cat has started to drop and they are adjusting the dose down. The other approach is to be more aggressive. With Bubba's numbers, you could up the dose on pinks to 1.25 and leave the dose on yellow at one for a few days. See if that makes a differnce. Be sure to get nadirs so you know how the insulin is working.

If he is eating too close to test time in the am, you might invest in an automatic feeder. It would provide a snack (in your case with more than one cat, they'd probably have to share) and will closes 2 hours before testing time. Our PetSafe5 has that capacity and is the only one I have found that he can't break into.

Bobbi, if you want, you could post over in The PZi forum for dosing questions. Health is a great place for general health, feeding etc questions, but you can get specific dose suggestions there, and see how others are dealing with their numbers.

Okay,I will check out the PZI forum. Thanks for all the great information Sue. I will invest in a petsafe5 and figure out how to keep him from eating his and his brother's.

 

[Merlin]

Hi Bobbie. I was just wondering if you considered using u100 syringes instead of the u40? The u100 syringes allows you to give doses in smaller increments. Looks like you are migrating to using a "sliding scale" so the u100 would come in handy. You will need to use a conversion table with the U100 syringes.

Hope to see you in the Prozinc forum soon.

 

[Critter Mom]

Conversion chart.

 

[Bobbie And Bubba]

Hi Bobbie. I was just wondering if you considered using u100 syringes instead of the u40? The u100 syringes allows you to give doses in smaller increments. Looks like you are migrating to using a "sliding scale" so the u100 would come in handy. You will need to use a conversion table with the U100 syringes.

Hope to see you in the Prozinc forum soon.

Hi Merlin, I did buy the u100 but I have trouble seeing the lines as they are sooooo tiny and I math is not my strong suit even though I have the conversation chart, I am scared of scared to death of overdosing by inadvertently misreading.... I will be coming over to the Prozinc forum tonight after I get Bubba's PMPS number. Looking forward to hearing how everyone on prozinc are doing. Thanks for reaching out and maybe I can be comforted in using the U100's

 

[BJM]

Every half unit tick mark on a U-100 syringe is 0.2 units of ProZinc. I just counted by 0.2s (0.4, 0.6...).

And magnifier clip-ons for your glasses are incredibly helpful. Check this search fo Carson Clip and Flip on Amazon.

 

[Bobbie And Bubba]

Every half unit tick mark on a U-100 syringe is 0.2 units of ProZinc. I just counted by 0.2s (0.4, 0.6...).

And magnifier clip-ons for your glasses are incredibly helpful. Check this search fo Carson Clip and Flip on Amazon.

I will absolutely be buying me some those! So, if I am giving a unit and a quarter (1.25) would I draw to the 3 1/2 mark??

 

[BJM]

0.2 - tick mark 0.5
0.4 - tick mark 1.0
0.6 - tick mark 1.5
0.8 - tick mark 2.0
1.0 - tick mark 2.5
1.2 - tick mark 3.0
1.4 - tick mark 3.5
It'd be a hair over the 3.0 tick mark to give 1.25 units

 

[Bobbie And Bubba]

0.2 - tick mark 0.5
0.4 - tick mark 1.0
0.6 - tick mark 1.5
0.8 - tick mark 2.0
1.0 - tick mark 2.5
1.2 - tick mark 3.0
1.4 - tick mark 3.5
It'd be a hair over the 3.0 tick mark to give 1.25 units

okay, thanks BJM