Hidey's home from his dental, but onto a new challenge

[dirtybirdsoaps]

Hidey is home and doing well although he looks pitiful :cry: He has about an inch of stiches on his head. He did good through his dental had 2 teeth removed, and the cyst. Of course they did blood work prior to make sure he was ok to work on and now I guess his kidney levels are up due to a high protein diet, of course they tried pushing science diet on me and got offended when I said no. I asked for a print out of his numbers so I scanned them and am attaching them. If you have any suggestions on a low protein low carb food Id appreciate it, especially if its not a pate lol. I wish he'd eat it, I've even tried adding water....doesnt work for him lol.

OH, ya plus a funny thing......The vet tech was carrying him out to me since I dont usually use a carrier and he pee'd on her, and I mean a FLOOD! Guess he told her how he felt about the situation :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[BJM]

If you put the numbers on a page of your spreadsheet, you can add new results in neighboring columns to aid comparison.

The phosphorus levels are what you may want to focus on, more than protein per se. The Friskies Special Diet is both low carb and low phosphorus, so that may work for you.

Pop over the Tanya's Feline CRF site to read more about renal disease, plus there is nutriton info at Cat Info, too.

 

[dirtybirdsoaps]

Thank you. Ive been reading on that website since I got home. I will add a page for future test results. That what I think is odd though is she said his phos are fine, its just his protein levels are too high. So she said that I needed a food lower in protein, not protein and phos. Does that sound accurate. I did notice on his blood work phos were below average (normal range=3.4-8.5, Hideys=3.0) I thought that was odd.

 

[katiesmom]

What was his BUN and creatinine? Those lab results you posted do not say.

Glad Hidey made it through fine and is home safe and sound.

And I'm curious- what was BG @ the vets? I know you said he has been off insulin for a few weeks, did the stress make it shoot up?

 

[dirtybirdsoaps]

His BUN was 36 mg/dl (normal range 10-30) CREA 1.8 mg/dl (normal range 0.3-2.1)

I have added a sheet onto his spread sheet with test results. Its funny because his BG was high, but nothing like I would have thought. His BG was 175 at 8:57 am. Last night when I tested him about 4 hours after he got home he was 78, this morning he was 108. I'm gonna retest him again soon, but I'm surprised to his his BG is already lower since the teeth removal and cleaning. Not to mention he's on 2 pain meds. I feel so horrible. The incision made for his cyst is about 1" long :cry:

Now I'm on another food search.....grrrrrr.

It seems most that I have really aren't bad on phos, but high protein.

 

[katiesmom]

Why does the vet think there are kidney issues? The creatinine is normal (creatinine is the bigger indicator of kidney disease), BUN only slightly elevated, which very well could be a little dehydration, since he had to go without food & water before surgery, not abnormal at all. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion of kidney disease.

The BG sounds great, the elevation at the vets wasn't too bad, and likely due to stress, and now back to normal, that's great!

IMO, since you have him OTJ on his present diet, if it were me, with his numbers, I wouldn't be searching around for a different food with low protein and risk him losing his remission. Low carb food, which diabetics need, will naturally result in a higher protein food. And truthfully, many vets now believe, and new research shows that a low protein diet isn't as helpful for kidneys as previously thought.

I went through CRF with my last kitty, and I am far from being an expert, but I am familiar with kidney issues and did a lot of research on the subject when I had to deal with it.

As for his protein being high- my vet told the reference range on the lab results are the median, or norm. Your cat can be higher or lower than the norm, but it can normal for him. ESPECIALLY being on a different diet, like high protein. My girls are on raw food, and as my vet said, the reference range is for cats on a common diet, not specialty diet (like raw), so we really don't know what the norm is for them. And the fact they are on a high protein, no carb diet, you would assume their protein is going to higher than other cats, but it's normal, or okay for them.

My vet actually approves of the high protein diet now, he even approves of the raw diet I am feeding my girls.which is surprising, as he is very "old school". But he has been attending lectures and seminars and had learned a thing or two about what he calls the "Catkins Diet".

Hugs to Hidey!

 

[dirtybirdsoaps]

Thank you for the reassurance. I kept reading and everything was saying BUN, CREA, and PHOS will be high to give you signs. I was thinking even if they are elevated because of the protein level, because I did notice that was high but that can be for many reasons as well. I also know that for the past 2 weeks for the most part his wet food has been high protein LOW carbs because I know his numbers were raising and I thought it was due to the teeth. I figure maybe go back to what I was doing, some days high protein, 0 carbs, other days mid level protein with some carbs and keep an eye on him. Am I wrong for this assumption? I don't want to cause any damage to his kidneys but most of the food Im feeding him are lower in phos, not LOW but not high either, but obviously thats on track if his blood levels for Phos were low