HELP! Squamee going low

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ugh! if this were Mousie then she'd stress over me not feeding her and her BG would rise. soooooo, experimenting may be out of the question really.

ok, have you switched back and fed her any of her regular food? if not, maybe feed her a little of that, assuming it is low carb
 
I'd just feed her regular food. Not the high carb. Let her eat on her own like you normally do. I think [hope] you are out of the woods.
 
She ate a little of her regular FF at 5:30. I can test her in a few minutes--How long before the food changes the numbers? I am thinking that if I test her 20 minutes after she ate, the food will not be a factor(?) and it will just be 10 minutes early for +10.
 
OK so here we go. Here's my input as things stand now.

I would not shoot until she is up over 150. Then I'd shoot like .4u under 200 and maybe .5 or .6u over 200?? I'm basing this off of the last time of 10/30 and 10/31. I do bet she's going to coast for a while. It's just hard to know if whatever is going on [that caused the drop] will continue or resolve pretty much instantly like before.

Anyone else have any input?

And I'd show you vet today's numbers and explain that you fed what you assume to be high carb food at the 45 which probably helped her from going any lower. I also take some responsibility in this for pushing you to be a little more brave in your dosing without making clear the game plan when numbers took an unexpected turn. If it were me this morning [and I did not notice any visible signs] I might have done approx .8u which might or might not have have still been too much at the time. Sooooo. We'll live and learn from this.
 
interesting. now she's zooming a little.

i'm with gator as far as reducing the dose some for sure at least for a little bit and see what happens. it very well sounds like something happened thru the night last night that set her up with that lower preshot this morning and she very well could go right back up to higher numbers but shooting less is better than shooting more and pulling too many of these long kitty shifts. you might end right back at this dose but next time if you hear gagging noises, you can be cautious, note that, and shoot accordingly.

the high carb not shooting her to the moon though is what's got me. i mean, i've seen high carb and insulin fight each other out but usually it's with overdoses, and i mean big doses as in husband shot and wife didn't know it so wife shot too. given her numbers in general, i wouldn't think 1.1u would be enough to hold out against high carb for hours like it did today.
 
I have to go out in about an hour and will be gone about 2 hours. So I am leaving at +11.25 and back at +13.5. I am assuming I should wait to shoot. Gator, will you be around if I post the PMPS? Or should I just follow the numbers you already mentioned?
 
i know how hard it is to not feed. but she's been eatting all day so she's probably not really that hungy.
 
judy and squamee said:
I have to go out in about an hour and will be gone about 2 hours. So I am leaving at +11.25 and back at +13.5. I am assuming I should wait to shoot. Gator, will you be around if I post the PMPS? Or should I just follow the numbers you already mentioned?
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If you want me to react [instantly] after you test and before you dose - post AND call me [just to make sure I'm not distracted]. I'll try to watch at 9p Eastern. I do like to make sure others have the opportunity to see/and or weigh in [that's 6pm for everyone on SoCal time ;-) ]. You will be safe to shoot at +13. Personally I'd rather that than shoot early in this scenario.

I'm envisioning trying to work her out of high-ish numbers gently for the next couple cycles.

The other part about this is that I would like for you to sleep well tonight and not shoot something you are going to be worried about. :smile: I-)
 
Weeeeell the known difference between this time and the 10/31 episode is the presumably high carb food. And I think that is another reason to error on the side of caution on the first dose out of this.
 
well i would love to be here but i'm leaving in about 15 minutes and won't be home till about 9 cal. time.
calling gator is a really good idea.
 
i might be here. it's only 5:30 here so i've probably got nearly a couple more hours here at work before we go home and then it depends on if we feel like hitting the japanese restaurant or not. if we go straight home then i'll only be off board for 30-45 minutes i would say as i tend to boot the ol' thing up as soon as we get home and just have it on all weekend and check in here and there. i'll post what i end up doing if need be
 
hmmmm, we do want to reduce some as some of this most likely is bounce and we don't want to put him on a rollercoaster by giving too much so i would go with the .6 if this were me, for tonight at least.

i'd try to get a +2 or +3 too if you can. if not, i understand. been a long stressful day i'm sure.
 
Either one should be ok. You need a good nights sleep. Although I would test befor you go to bed to see where she is headed.

I checked your ss where Gator mentioned and .6 would be half of what you shot that night and got the 64 in the morning, so I based my vote on that.
 
.6u. If you felt you wanted to test tonight then .7 or .8u. I'm basing .7 or .8 on the last time which may not be the best representation of what is going on here since the HC was used. So probably playing it safe is best.

Depending on the rise, tomorrow morning, you might need to ramp up in a .2u increment if she continues to go higher tomorrow morning.
 
nothing to add but ((((((hugs))))))

Judy, you are doing awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!

and everyone helping her out :YMHUG: .... yeah, PZ Island ROCKS!!!! flip_cat
 
OK,all, I shot .6. By the time i was ready to shoot it was +14 and she had gone up to 409, so probably .8 would have been fine, but I am quite exhausted and want to sleep. I will try to get in 1 more test before I go to sleep--to see how she's going with this reduced amount. I am mystified by her and this process. Everytime I think I am beginning to understand how it goes, it changes!

Anyhow, I thank you all SOOO much! Going through this alone is unimaginable. I wish you all sweet dreams.
 
OK so moving forward - for right now at least. IF she has one of these unexpected drops like she did this time - you were moving along at 1.1-ish looking like needing 1.2 then BAM! get a PS drop from something high of about 1/2 the previous PS, especially into the 150-200 range, at least 1/2 the dose you had given previously. I say 1/2 because I'm assuming something is also going on with the appetite or there is some other reason for what is going on - perhaps psycho pancreas - otherwise I'd 2/3 [but 2/3 does not apply here]. But in your case at least 1/2 the dose for the next cycle when you see an unexpected drop like today. You might get punished by high numbers the next cycle or so while you recover, but I think for your kitty it is a wise move.

If you get into the 100-150 range then least 1/3 the dose or probably no-shoot.

Pretty nuanced advice - it would be interesting to see if anyone else had some sort of rough guideline to offer??

Her little P is like all love or like all hate. :YMSIGH:
 
+2 304.
I am unnerved. She is not eating at all, and moving very slowly. Shows no interest in taking the pill, I will try and give liquid phenobarb. God, I hope tomorrow is a better day. We see the vet in the morning, perhaps the subQ fluids will help.
Gator, I would like the info that you mentioned on where to buy the subQ stuff. Thanks!
 
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