Help me safely prevent another hypo seizure

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JenElliot

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Mali is 17 years old and has been diabetic for 5 1/2 years. He has been quite healthy for his age and we've been managing his diabetes well over the last several years. Over the past couple of weeks he started twitching a little bit, sometimes made worse by sounds (making kissing noises, plastic bags being moved, squeaky doors opening), but no other symptoms of illness or odd behavior. The twitching ranged from just tiny face movement to full body "jumps" (as if he was startled by a loud noise). It worsened on Saturday afternoon and he had a full-body seizure on Saturday evening. It lasted 20-30 seconds and he was fine a couple minutes later.

We rushed him to the vet. His blood sugar was checked and it was 54. They said it was low but not enough to cause a seizure. He also had blood tests to check all of his organs and everything came back fine. We discussed various reasons for the seizure (they thought it could be a brain tumor, which terrified me!). It was time for him to have a curve so we left him there. AFTER he was fed (no insulin shot) he was tested again and his blood sugar was 29. Very strange that it went down, but he stresses easily so I'm wondering if the first test (54) was affected by stress and his level was actually lower. So they didn't give him any insulin and the next test was 39. They put him on a glucose drip until his numbers were up. Once he was stabilized they did the curve and concluded that he should now be given only 2 units of insulin (it was 3.5 units before).

I've done hours of research online and am convinced he had the seizure due to hypo. Mali is a picky eater and has always liked dry food better than wet. He would never eat enough of the wet food so we would give him dry food as well. Then he all but stopped eating wet food all together and was primarily eating dry Fancy Feast food. His levels have been maintainable on this diet so we have stuck to it. But several weeks ago he had a tooth break while eating (had another trip to the vet for that) so we started giving him wet food (some low-carb, some higher-carb), and surprisingly he gobbled it up so we started giving him wet food all the time.

The twitching started about 3 days after switching to a wet food diet. He was also on antibiotics (for his tooth) and has a history of bad reactions with medications, so we assumed the twitching was caused by the antibiotics. But now I think it's safe to say that the meds didn't cause it, the change in diet did.

So here's where we are now: His insulin has been reduced to 2 units (down from 3.5) twice daily. He is eating all wet food (some Hill's m/d (14% carbs) some tuna cat food (4% carbs)). He is still twitching but it's very subtle and just in his face. I'm worried that he is still getting too much insulin and it's making his blood sugar too low and causing the twitching. I tried testing his blood with a home monitor but was unsuccessful. I am committed to learning how to test him at home, but it's going to take some time (he's a very squirmy cat and doesn't like being held). In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out the best course of action. IS IT SAFE TO REDUCE HIS INSULIN FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS TO SEE IF THE TWITCHING STOPS? I was thinking of reducing it to 1.5 or even 1 unit twice daily. If his blood sugar levels get too high for just a couple of days will it harm him? I'm also planning to get better/lower-carb food for him tomorrow (Wellness brand - 4% carbs), so his carb-intake will be lower.

He'll be going back to the vet for another curve in about 1 week, so I'm just trying to maintain/stabilize him until then. I don't want to do anything harmful or dangerous, but I'm quite sure that the twitching is cause by low blood sugar levels and I don't want him to seizure again.

Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!!
 
Clinical symtpoms are saying that, yes, you likely should reduce the dose. The wet food can have a powerful effect on the numbers. It puts less sugar into the system that the insulin has to control.

Please do try the hometesting again. But there also are some methods to use if you don't. Diastix or Ketodiasix give you a reading of the sugar in his urine. You get them at a pharmacy. It is not a point in time reading of the glucose, as the blood test is. Rather it covers the time since he last peed. With a cat that isn't being BG hometested, you want to see just a touch of sugar in the urine. If there is no sugar, you know he's below the level at which he would dump sugar into the urine (about 180), but you don't know how low.

Another product for testing urine glucose is Glucotest. It is a confetti that you sprinkle into the litter box. I have seen it sold online but I am not sure who the brick-and-mortar vendors would be. Perhaps vet clinics.
 
Hi and welcome to the FDMB Family,

One of the very best ways to help Mali is to learn to test his blood sugar levels yourself at home where he is all nice and relaxed. That is the best way to know if he is too high or too low.

Home testing is very easy and you don't need a lot of expensive and complicated stuff. Just a regular human meter, test strips and lancets. I personally use a Relion Mini meter that I got at WalMart for like $12 and the strips are 50 strips for $20. And the lancets were super cheap too.

We just prick the edge of their ears to get a small amount of blood and test that. That way we know immediately if it is okay to give insulin or not.

Just one question for you. What insulin are you using so we can give you even better help with Mali?

Mel, Max & The Fur Gang
 
PS--if you tell us where you live (city,state, province), perhaps someone lives nearby and could come give you pointers on the hometesting.
 
It's great that you've done so well for 5 1/2 years. My little man has been FD for about that long too.

Because of the food change and the reaction that you've seen, I would lower the dose to 1U BID until you are comfortable with hometesting.

What type of insulin is Mali on?
 
If that twitching was from the start of a hypo and you did not feed or give karo, etc, then I don't think it was the start of a hypo because it would have progressed quickly without immediate action. I would definitely get that hometesting going, lower the dose, and I would also suggest a thyroid check and a good heart check. Possibility is also there that he may have chewed on an electrical cord, gotten a mild shock some way, and it screwed with his body. I had one cat that slowly, over hours, went into a full seizure and over the course of the next few days he would have minor ones till they eventually stopped. We believe, knowing him, that he licked the side of the crockpot and got a major shock.
 
Thank you for your fast replies! I have a little update: his twitching got a little worse after I posted so I gave him a small bowl of dry food (hoping to slightly raise his blood sugar) about 2 hours before his normal beakfast time. Then at breakfast he ate a small amount of low-carb wet food, and we skipped his shot altogether. He seems better now and the twitching has pretty much completely stopped. :-D We'll give him his insulin at dinner, I don't want things to go badly in the opposite direction, but we'll probably reduce it a bit (maybe 1.5 units instead of 2).

For the last 2-3 years the insulin he's been on is Glargine (Lantus).

I will absolutely keep trying to do home testing, I realize now how important it is! I'll also check out the strips/confetti to possibly use until we get used to/successful with home testing. Thanks for that tip!

We're in Sacramento, CA, midtown area. Anyone happen to be close by??

Thanks again!
 
I sent pm's to a couple people, one in placerville and one in antelope. they both looked fairly close on google but we'll see :smile:
 
Cindy + Mousie pm'ed me...I live in Antelope, and would be more than happy to come and help you with home testing if you like. I don't know anything about seizures, and cannot give dosing advice, but I can help you learn to hometest. If you're interested, let me know and I'll pm you my number.
 
Hi:
We are very new to this group as well. As a matter of fact I just wrote in tonight about our first home glucose test. I too have a 16 year old male cat that is definetly not a lap cat. I put him on the bed and sort of held him between my legs and poked him with the lancet, didn't get enough blood worked out to test though, tried again, Sammy got antsy and we stopped. It really wasn't that difficult today (knock on wood) we are going to try again tomorrow and hopefully we can get a reading. He too went into shock in November and was only on insulin for a month. Another Vet in my Vet's practice increased our dose to 2 units when his sugar was coming down and at 228 so I almost lost him. We are now trying to bring it down with diet and not insulin. He was checked Monday and down to 171. He is on a diet of wet food and just recently switched to kitten food. I know that home testing will give me piece of mind and if the sugar doesn't come down I will ask the vet to start insulin again.
Good luck.


Vicki & Sampson
 
Armed with a new meter that requires a smaller blood sample (ReliOn from Walmart) I finally successfully tested Mali's blood glucose tonight! He was so good, didn't even flinch. :) I did the test about 3-1/2 hours after his shot and it was 74, which still seems low. Isn't the lowest reading usually around 8 hours after the shot? At least now I know reducing his insulin from 2 units to 1 was the right thing to do, thank you all for helping me make that decision! I'll test him again tomorrow closer to 8 hours after and see what I get, I'm hoping to be able to do a curve within the next week or 2.
 
:RAHCAT Welcome to the Vampire Club (secret handshake coming later :-D ) :RAHCAT

Now don't you feel better just knowing exactly where his BBs are at? And what a nice pretty green number to get on your very first test. The first test is always the hardest so in just a few short days you should be a champ at those pesky little ear pokes.

Mel, Max & The Fur Gang
 
JenElliot said:
Armed with a new meter that requires a smaller blood sample (ReliOn from Walmart) I finally successfully tested Mali's blood glucose tonight! He was so good, didn't even flinch. :) I did the test about 3-1/2 hours after his shot and it was 74, which still seems low. Isn't the lowest reading usually around 8 hours after the shot? At least now I know reducing his insulin from 2 units to 1 was the right thing to do, thank you all for helping me make that decision! I'll test him again tomorrow closer to 8 hours after and see what I get, I'm hoping to be able to do a curve within the next week or 2.

Yes! The ReliOn works great! Only one I have ever used but it only requires a very small blood sample! Great for cats, I couldn't imagine trying to use something that you had to get MORE blood for! So glad you are on your way to making sure your kitty is safe. Great folks here told me it was imperative to test at home and we have been doing sooo great over here now!!! Good luck to you as well!!!
 
Did you get the 74 at 3 hours after the shot this morning? Have you gotten any more tests? 74 3 hours after the shot is pretty low when you figure they can continue to drop for another 3 hours or so.

Please let us know what your preshot number was this morning and what tests you have gotten today with what numbers. I am concerned that he may still go lower.
 
Also very important. If kitty goes back to the Vet for a curve, expect higher numbers as "Vet stress" will raise his BG numbers. Curves are ALWAYS more accurate when done in the comfort of kitties home.

jeanne


ETA: I should have said unless your kitty has no stress from riding in a car, then stuck at the Vet's for a day of, strange sights, sounds and smells, curves are always more accurate done at home.
j.
 
I haven't done any more tests yet, the next one I'm planning to do is around 6-8 hours after a shot to see if he's dipping down lower. Then I'll do a pre-shot test to see what his highest number is. Until he (and I!) get used to this I don't want to try more than one test a day. I'm hoping to attempt our first curve in a week or 2. He stresses very easily at the vet so I'm sure all the curves he's had done there aren't the most accurate readings.
 
I am just worried because you are getting rather low numbers. If I were you, I would not give a shot before testing. I would not shoot under 200. If I got a pre shot near 200, I would come on and ask for advice. And I would try to get in some mid cycle tests.

Your kitty seems to be having a good reaction to the insulin. You want to make sure he is in safe numbers.
 
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