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MistyPie

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Hi. I'm Misty, Page's cat mom. Page is my first cat I have ever owned and cared for. I feel ignorant and stupid at times, but I find owning an animal is a learning process. Page has many nicknames, Pagey and Pagelious are my favorites. She is a short hair with grey and white markings. She turned five in May of this year.I joined this forum because she was rushed to the veterinarian's office today only to be turned away and rushed to the veterinarian hospital nearby. I don't have any experience with feline diabetes, no one in my family does either. I just kind of want to get the story of what happened off my chest. To make sense of all the news I received on my kitty baby's health today.

Page had been vomiting on and off since Sunday. Mostly hairballs, but it got progressive worse and more frequent. Yesterday (6/28) into today (6/29) she vomited 10 times in less than 24 hours. I knew then that something was seriously wrong. This morning she vomited five times within 5-10 minutes. I quickly jumped out of the shower, grabbed the cat carrier and the cat and rushed to the vet. It was in the process of putting her in the carrier that my fiance' and I noticed that she had defecated on herself as well. The vet I normally used saw us within five minutes. She unfortunately had to turn us away as she did not have the technology or tools to properly help Page. She did not charge me a dime and was extremely helpful. She recommended the veterinarian hospital down the road.

I quickly drove over there and got Page in the see the doctor. It was not pleasant. He confirmed she was dehydrated (which my original vet had noticed as well). He tried to draw blood from her neck and was unsuccessful. So he tried her leg, but the blood flow was too slow. So he decided to feel of her stomach. Page jumped out of the vet assistant's grip and across the table when he did that. He knew it was serious and when he listened to her lungs, he said, "Your lungs sound rough kitty." She also started drooling at this time. The vet decided our best bet was to sedate her for blood work and x rays.

When the blood work came back, he said, "Your cat is probably, more than likely a diabetic." Not sure, what "probably, more than likely" means to him, but okay. I can handle and understand that she is diabetic. She is overweight, but she refuses to do anything but eat or sleep. So her glucose was high. Her liver enzymes were high. The x-rays found something entirely different. We expected to find a wad of plastic Page had eaten and it just was not coming up, but what we found was different. Her right kidney was twice the normal size. It even looked weird. The vet said it could be that her left kidney was not functioning, and her right kidney was growing to compensate for the left kidney. However, the blood work did not disprove or prove that theory. He proceeded to tell me that she could have a tumor in her kidney and she could have cancer. He proceeded to tell me the process of what we could do, but I had already made up my mind.

If my cat does in fact have diabetes, I want to give her the help and care she needs...even if I cannot afford it. I know I could not afford chemo or surgery. I believe if she does have cancer I just want to give her a comfortable life and just deal with the diabetes. Is that selfish of me? I know it is to each their own, but I'm not sure I would even take chemo if I had cancer. I think I would just deal with the ailments I had and lived as much as I could before I died. Is it selfish to wish the same fate for my cat?

I'm sorry, I know I'm rambling. So my cat may, probably have diabetes and may, probably have cancer too. It is kind of a lot of sad information to take in at once. I'm just wondering if anyone had the same problems (excessive vomiting) that lead to their diagnosis? Any tips or suggestions? Any brand of products you recommend or not? I know this may be in another topic and/or thread, but like I said. I just wanted to get this story off my chest and to hear from other kind cat parents who understand the situation.

Thank you so much for reading Page's story and my emotions/ramblings. Thank you for any advice as well.
 
Hello and welcome :)

I don't find your decisions selfish at all. When faced with a pet's terminal illness, you have to make the best decisions you can make with what you have. Chemo on a human is very taxing and I imagine it's just as rough on a cat.

You have come to the best possible place to treat the diabetes though. I've only been here about 5 weeks now, so I'm still in the learning stage, but will offer this one bit of probably the most important advice I can give....home testing.

Its all so very overwhelming at first, so much to read, and there are some lifestyle changes for a bit, sort of like developing a new routine.

Please take the time to read the "stickys' at the top of this message board, as they are full of info that will help you get your head around this a bit more.

There will be others around shortly who will be able to lead you much better than me and answer all your questions.

Just wanted to say welcome, and you are not alone.... :-D
 
Hi Misty, mom to Page. Welcome to the FDMB, the best place you never expected to be.

When the blood work came back, he said, "Your cat is probably, more than likely a diabetic." Not sure, what "probably, more than likely" means to him, but okay. I can handle and understand that she is diabetic.
Vet stress can elevate Blood glucose levels 180 points witin 5 minutes and last for 90 minutes or more. That is the likely reason why your vet said "probably diabetic." There are other clinical signs such as large pee patches in the litter box, think large fist sized, excessive thirst, losing weight, excessive hunger, dull coat, huge flakes of dandruff, walking funny on the hocks on the rear legs.

I believe if she does have cancer I just want to give her a comfortable life and just deal with the diabetes. Is that selfish of me? I know it is to each their own, but I'm not sure I would even take chemo if I had cancer. I think I would just deal with the ailments I had and lived as much as I could before I died. Is it selfish to wish the same fate for my cat?
No absolutely not selfish.

Every cat owner, every cat caregiver needs to make those decisions about how they will treat their cat. Weather you want to be aggressive with the treatment or you want to be more conservative, that is your choice.

Yes, sometimes finances limit what you can do. For me, it's a choice of what you will put your cat through and what will the outcome and treatment be if you have that exploratory surgery. Personally, I would never put one of my cats through chemotherapy. I had one cat with liver issues and the vet wanted to do an ultrasound so I said yes. When that was inconclusive they wanted to do an ultrasound guided needle biopsy so I said yes. When that was inconclusive and they wanted to do exploratory surgery I balked and so no.

Set your own limits as to what you will do. You know what you can afford to do not only financially but emotionally. The emotional turmoil can be overwhelming so set those limits. Sometimes supportive medications and palliative care may be the right answer.

If my cat does in fact have diabetes, I want to give her the help and care she needs...even if I cannot afford it.
The keys to diabetes management are low carb food, preferably canned like Fancy Feast classic pates style or Friskies pate style; home testing; a good long lasting insulin like Lantus, Levimir or Prozinc; and an appropriate dose of that insulin.

Do you live in the US? Then go to Walmart, buy a Relion Confirm glucometer in the pharmacy, matching tests strips, lancets indicated for alternate site testing, ketone urine testing strips and come back here. We'll provide you with home testing information.

We have a lot of money saving ideas. Ask and we'll tell you about them.

Please keep all your future posts in this same topic. It makes it easier to go back through the History. You can always change the subject line by editing the very first post in this topic. Click on the edit button over towards the right and change the subject then submit.
 
Where is Page now? Still at the vet or home?

Let's work on getting a diagnosis as to what is going on and then if it is diabetes, as Deb said, we can help you with that.

One thing that you can do immediately, is to change her food. If she does have kidney issues, which is sounds like she may. Then you want a low phosphorus food (under 250). In addition, a low carb food is also ideal not only if she has diabetes but to help prevent it. And wet - canned or raw food will be best.

A good choice for now is Friskies Special Diet - Turkey & Giblets pate or Beef & Chicken pate to start with. The Turkey & giblets is low phosphorus and low carb and fairly inexpensive so it will fit your budget, plus the low requirements.


www.catinfo.org

This site, not only has a great food comparison chart - that includes the carb and phosphorus content. But she also has great tips to transition a cat from one type of food to another, as well as other great info.

Even if she has other issues, this will definitely be a start to helping.
 
You have to do whats best for you and your cat.. and we can help advise with the diabetes as well as other issues if you like such as CRF and cancer. We have seen most issues here. Many cats have diabetes due to a diet high in carb but a good proportion of other kitties have another issue too - our members have seen most issues

Wendy

So how is Page doing today? Can you tell us more about her? What does she eat?
 
Sorry it has taken me a while to reply. I started a new job right as Page got sick so it has been a stressful week. This is what I have learned so far.

I took Page to the vet last Saturday I believe. She stayed overnight for fluids until Tuesday, July 2.I actually had to go in and demand to take her home. She would not eat for the vet and her nausea medicine was not working. I'm not sure why, but they would not check her glucose level again or give her insulin. The vet said he did not want to bottom her out because she was not eating. I felt they could have at least maybe checked her glucose level so I could know whether or not my cat is a diabetic or not. I was sent home with 5 cans of ID wet cat food, amoxicillin, and a hefty vet bill. I did find out that her glucose level on Saturday, June 29 was 318.

I went to my regular vet on Wednesday, July 3. She referred me to several places to have an ultrasound done for Page's kidney. She also is 99.9% sure my cat is diabetic. I love my vet very much- she is amazing and very old school. It is just frustrating that she cannot do a glucose curve to confirm if my cat is a diabetic or not and she cannot do the ultra sound. There are local vets who can do both procedures, but specialists may do a better job.

Anyway, Page came home Tuesday. She ate as soon as she got home. I was mixing the ID with her regular Friskies wet can food. She has been eating well. She has turned her nose up at her treats, which is shocking to me. She has mainly been sleeping and resting. I have a feeling she did not rest while she was at the vet's. She is finally back to her old self now.

As for food, I have read that the classic pate' is better for a diabetic diet.I feed her the chunky meat bits or whatever it is called, which has the sauce and she loves the sauce. She will eat the pate' though. As of right now, she is only eating canned. I'm not sure if I need to switch immediately to the pate' or if I can finish feeding her the other cans that I have. She seems to be doing better, but I know I need to get on the ball and book the other appointments, it's just I'm strapped financially at the moment.

Thank you all for your kind comments and words of advice. I deeply appreciate each and every comment. :)
 
I completely undestand about chemo. I went down that road with a cat we thought was diagnosed early. Despite what the vets said, she got sick with vomiting and diarrhea after each treatment. It gained perhaps 3 very expensive months of miserable time with her.

You can do a glucose curve at home - all it is is blood glucose testing every 2 hours, from before the am shot to before the pm shot. You can do it with a glucometer such as the WalMart ReliOn Confirm.
 
Sorry its been such a tough week. lets see if we can help..

We can totally confirm ourselves if she is diabetic. The 318 reading at the vet could be stress. So time to go shopping. We are going to home test her and see whats going on.

Shopping list - cost $45
Blood glucose Meter ie Walmart Relion Confirm or Micro. $17
Matching strips pack of 50 $9
Lancets - little sticks to poke the ear to get blood . new members usually start with a larger gauge lancet such as 28g or 29g until the ear learns to bleed. $4
Ketodiastix to test pee for sugar and ketones $15


Also you will need
Pill bottle lid or something small and hard to press against
Cotton balls to stem the blood - use a tissue if you dont have these at home
Karo syrup/corn syrup or honey or ice cream- for hypo emergencies to bring blood sugar up fast

Let us know as soon as you get these and we can let you know how to test
Wendy
 
Oh and I would switch them all immediately to the pates. Keep the gravy ones for hypo emergencies - put them in a separate area so you dont forget.
 
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