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I am new to doing something like this on line so please be patient with my not computer savy self.
My cat has recently been diagnosed with Diabetes and is still pretty uncontrolled. We started with 1ml. of insulin...the most expensive insulin there is...I might add...Lantus...which is all the rage I guess.
Now we are doing 2ml. and hoping for some good change...
Peaches weighed 19 lbs in May, he now weighs 9lbs and is still loosing weight. He's only 9 years. He is not walking right also. His hind legs are not working so good. We did one test on his ear after a week of 1 ml., still way over 500!
I worry a lot and would like to just connect with others who are in the same boat and maybe have some clues about what to expect. ~O)
 
torievictoria said:
I am new to doing something like this on line so please be patient with my not computer savy self.
My cat has recently been diagnosed with Diabetes and is still pretty uncontrolled. We started with 1ml. of insulin...the most expensive insulin there is...I might add...Lantus...which is all the rage I guess.
Now we are doing 2ml. and hoping for some good change...
Peaches weighed 19 lbs in May, he now weighs 9lbs and is still loosing weight. He's only 9 years. He is not walking right also. His hind legs are not working so good. We did one test on his ear after a week of 1 ml., still way over 500!
I worry a lot and would like to just connect with others who are in the same boat and maybe have some clues about what to expect. ~O)

Insulin is measured in units. Lantus is a U-100 insulin, meaning 100 units in 1 milliliter. Do you mean you are giving 2 units of Lantus? Are you giving it every 12 hours? Lantus is very good at helping cats; if you follow the tight regulation protocol described in the Lantus forum, you might be able to have your cat become diet-controlled. To do that, you will need to learn how to test your cat at home.

The walking difficulties may be due to neuropathy (nerve damage), dehydration, or weakness from the inability to use the calories. It should get better with treatment, which does take some time.
 
Welcome to FDMB!!

The beginning of this journey is completely overwhelming. There are a lot of people here who are very willing to provide information to guide you along in this process and to offer more support than you could possibly imagine.

You're right, Lantus is expensive. However, it's well researched in cats and it's stats in terms of getting a newly diagnosed cat into remission are impressive if you follow the Tight Regulation protocol. Research published in some of the leading veterinary journals has shown that "...significantly higher remission rates are observed if good glycaemic control was achieved soon after diagnosis: 84% for cats started on the protocol within 6 months of diagnosis went into remission, and only 35% for cats that began more than 6 months after diagnosis". Not all kitties will reach remission. However, a tight regulation protocol can help towards controlling kitty's diabetes. You and your vet made a good choice of insulin!

There are a couple of ways to help reduce the costs of Lantus. Most of us purchase Lantus in the Solostar pens rather than in the vials. Chances are good that you will end up discarding Lantus if you purchase in a 10 ml vial. Due to the small amounts that most people are dosing, it's unlikely that you will finish a vial by the time the potency of your insulin has run out. As a result, a pack of 5 pens (each 5 ml) ends up being more economical even if the initial outlay is more. You may be able to find a pharmacy that will sell individual pens. Alternatively, you can purchase insulin on-line from Canada. It will cut your cost in half.

In all likihood, your cat is experiencing peripheral neuropathy. This condition is not unusual in cats that have been unregulated for a while. A vitamin supplement, methyl B-12, is very effective in helping to correct this problem. There is a formulation of methyl B-12 called Zobaline that is developed for cats and contains no sugar or flavorings.

Most of us home test with regularity. We test before giving an insulin injection. In addition, because Lantus dosing is based on the lowest point of the cycle (i.e., the nadir), it's important to get at least one spot check during both the AM and the PM insulin cycle.

There is a great deal of information available about using Lantus on the Lantus Insulin Support Group in the starred sticky notes at the top of the Board. The following is an overview of that information.
  • Tight Regulation Protocol: This sticky contains the dosing protocol that we use here. There are also links to the more formal versions -- the Tilly Protocol developed by the counterpart of this group in Germany and the Queensland/Rand protocol developed by Jacqui Rand, DVM and published in one of the top vet journals.
  • New to the Group: Everything you wanted to know about the Tight Regulation forum and more. Info on our slang, FAQs, links to sites on feline nutrition and to food charts containing carb counts, how to do a curve and the components to look for, important aspects of diabetes such as ketones, DKA, and neuropathy, and most important, info on hypoglycemia.
  • Handling Lantus: how to get the maximum use from your insulin and what to not do with it!
  • Lantus depot/shed: This is an important concept for understanding how Lantus works.
  • Lantus & Levemir: Shooting & Handling Low Numbers: What data you need in order to be able to work toward remission or tight regulation as well as information if you have a low pre-shot number or a drop into low numbers during the cycle.

Please let us know how we can help!
 
I agree. the Lantus was expensive but worth it! Cedric was on Lantus for a month before he went into remission. The vet & his techs are still scratching their heads that we got him into remission so quickly. they thought it would take up to a year, but we did catch it pretty early I think.

Cedric eats 4 small meals a day of canned food only now. He used to eat twice a day: 3oz can (1/2 in am & 1/2 in pm) plus about 1/2 cup twice a day of Blue Buffalo Weight Manangement (which did nothing to help his weight, he became fatter; a co-worker is having the same problem with his 3 cats who eat this stuff). When he was dx'd, I found this site right away and started the change in diet to grain free, high protein, low carb food. I gave both canned and dry until the gang here finally got me to ditch the dry. I had reduced his dry intake to 1/2 cup per day of BB Wilderness (which is grain free, etc) and then to 1/4 cup per day. I was concerned about leaving him with only canned food when i am gone for at least 9 hours a day, every day (I work 2 jobs). I bought an automatic feeder with an ice pack (catmate C20, from petmountain.com) and he has adjusted just fine. When I took away the dry food, his # went down; 2 days later no more insulin needed.

Cedric did not have the neuropathy, so I can give no advice on that. The diet change and some insulin really helped him recover. I only used about 1/3 of the vial, but fortunately I have a co-worker who now has 2 FD kitties, so I gave the vial to her (they are both on Lantus). If Cedric had continued, I would have gone for the pens as well.

Welcome to FDMB!
 
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