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Carriecae

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My jellybean has barely eaten today. some hard DM food, couple mouthfuls of wet. He was also sleeping in his bed when normally he comes with me for a 20 min cuddle. Once I couldn't find him and he was in an odd spot I'd never seen him in before. Just tried to take the BG and poked him 4x's and me twice. he folds his ears back and jerks his head just as i'm poking. got 3 strips with blood and got Er1 on every single one. Which is supposedly a damaged stick. =) all out of the same brand new box. We're both bloody and I just can't do it again. I was so determined it would work today. Question is, since I don't know his BG AND he's been acting out of character do I skip it for tonight? I tried giving him treats after the poking and he won't eat those either. I'm so stressed I'm having palpitations. =) Is it best to just skip the insulin?
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Are you able to syringe feed Jellybean or could you try again to test.

Its hard to tell, him hiding could be a sign that he doesn't feel well and has an abnormal BG or it could mean he is annoyed.

Some signs of hypoglycemia are nausea (drooling), vomiting, staggering/wobbling legs/poor coordination, walking against walls, blindness, lethargic, weak, staring off into the distance, twitching or shivering, restless, aggression, hiding, collapse, seizure, coma.

Every cat is different and some don't show symptoms at all until they are severely low or till they have a seizure which means they're severely low.

Signs of hyperglycemia is often increased thirst, hunger, urination, lethargic, nausea and vomiting.

Its hard to tell bc some signs of low blood sugar overlap with high blood sugar ( nausea, vomiting, lethargic).

I tagged some people who can help dose or have alot of experience. Hopefully someone is on here and can help. Its late, so fingers crossed.

If you can, maybe you can ask hypothetical questions on what to do if you suspect odd behavior and can't test glucose levels.

I've done that before, that way I'm prepared, and if something ever happens in the middle of the night I kinda have a heads up on what I should do.

Or another piece of advice is call the nearest 24 hr emergency vet clinic and tell them your situation and usually they can offer some advice.
 
Do you have a spreadsheet you can share with us?
Have you tested for ketones n the urine?

@Bron and Sheba (GA)

I dont think she does...Shes really having a hard time just testing Jellybean to even get a BG to place in the spreadsheet.

Thanks for your response. Im a new member too, and I know Carrie is having a really hard time so I just tagged anyone that I knew could help dose or had a wealth of experience.
 
he finally ate about an ounce of broth about an hour after i tried testing him. no, i'm afraid i have no data for a spreadsheet except first BG was 550, second was 340. Trying so hard. his hiding is usually that he doesn't feel well. his not eating? i just don't know. it's just been a weird cat day, and i won't give him his shot tonight. we'll try again tomorrow. holding him on my lap in bed seemed ok, he purred the entire time, but the ear flattening and head jerking meant for both of us being bloodied and battered. =) my previous diabetic cat had hypoglycemia a lot. many frantic trips to the ER vet. btw our ER vet is the regular vet, who of course, slightly resents being taken from home in the middle of the night. does glucose testing with a syringe to the leg. small town, rural iowa. @Mazi's Mom i thank you so much for sticking with me and hand holding. it's been a huge help. if mr. bean could only read the FDMB boards, we'd be in much better shape. =)
 
Have you considered getting a Libre monitor put on him?

I'm a little worried about him not eating and not getting a shot and him not feeling well. That's why Bron was asking if you've tested for ketones.
 
i have to talk to the vet on monday....she's never mentioned a libre monitor. the ketones...i think they've tested for them as there's a 2 page report on his blood test...i just don't know what is what. more questions to be answered on monday. ps neko is beautiful. =)
 
@Carriecae if you ever are in a scary situation and can't get ahold of anyone on here. Dont wait, I would call any Emergency Hospital in Iowa that is 24 hrs. I know its hard bc you live in a rural area, but even if the hospital is in Des Moines, Iowa, call. Any hospital should be able to give you some advice or direction or at least tell you if Jellybean is having a medical emergency.
 
Ketones levels can change quickly within a day. That's why we suggest getting a container of ketones testing strips, like Ketostix, and testing those at home.

My vet didn't know how to test the ears either, she had to get a locum vet to show my how.
 
Carrie if you have Jellybeans paper work you should be able to see if Jellybean was tested for Ketones and if he had any in his urine or blood.

Ketones are toxic to the body. They develop when a diabetic doesn't have enough insulin and isn't eating enough food.

When there's too much glucose in the blood bc there isn't enough insulin in the body thats when ketones develop.

Insulin is a hormone that acts as a "car/taxi" and picks up sugar in the blood drives glucose/sugar into the bodys cells to create energy so organs and muscle can function.

When that doesn't happen bc not enough insulin/food the cells are starved of glucose and energy.

The body compensates and will start breaking down protein and fat to help create energy for the cells in the body.

However, when the body breaks down protein and fat it produces ketones and dumps them into the blood making the blood acidic. Acidic blood damages kidney and can alter respiration.

The body/kidneys will try getting rid of the ketones by excreating them thru urine, but they are constantly being produced bc of the breakdown of protein in fat to create energy in cells for organs and muscles to function. Urine can't pee them out fast enough and it damages the kidneys. That is why ketones are found in the blood and urine.

Anyways ketones are toxic and too much ketones over a long period of time can lead to death.

If you want to know more look up Diabetic Ketoacidosis (DKA).

Symptoms are often increased urination, thirst, hunger, ACETONE breath (smells like nail polish remover or sweet), weight loss due to the breakdown of protein and fat, weakness, and lethargic from the decrease of energy (sugar) being driven into the cells.
 
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@Carriecae so I think the conclusion is if you can't test. Get the urine strips that test for ketones. Ketones in urine is a medical emergency. Ketones will show up in urine if blood sugars have been high and not regulated with insulin or enough insulin.

And know the signs and symptoms of low blood sugar and high blood sugar.

If you have any concerns try this forum, if no one is on here or able to respond, then I'd call a 24hr vetinarian hospital and explain your situation and they should be able to give you some advice.

This is just me sharing my experience, its not to terrify you, but its just the reality of diabetes and not being able to test glucose while giving insulin.

Mazi went to the vetinarian hospital and was diagnosed with diabetic ketoacidosis, his blood sugar was in the 600's. They got his sugars down to the 300s and in less than 24 hrs from being admitted they sent me home with insulin, told me to monitor blood sugar at home. I told them I didn't have a home testing kit yet and I ordered a meter but it would be a day or two before it was delivered. They told me he would be fine and to give him 1 unit of insulin 2 times a day. Mind you he wasn't back to eating normally.

I brought him home and gave him his evening dose without testing and then his morning dose. It was just 12 hours after discharge and he was showing signs of hypoglycemia. I rushed him to back to the hospital. His blood sugar was 23 and almost passed away twice. Once from the DKA and the 2nd time from the hypoglycemia. He was 23 points or less from being brain dead bc his brain was being deprived of sugar.

Again, im not trying to terrify you, im just giving the reality. I am mortified that the hospital sent him home with me knowing I couldn't home monitor and that he still wasn't back to wanting to eat on his own. He ended up almost dying, in the ICU for 4 days, and I was stuck with a $6,000 bill.

If I can help anyone and any kitty from going thru what I went thru, I will. I just want to help educate and help caregivers know the reality of the complications of diabetes.

Again, I know you're doing all you can to keep Mr. Jellybean safe, and trying your best fighting jellybean to get those blood glucose numbers. I can imagine your hands and arms are full of wounds. Mine were too.

Just keep trying, and don't give up.Thats all you can do, but Wendy brought a up a great suggestion of checking his urine for ketones daily while you're getting the hang of testing.

Plus I know you are doing so much reading your brain is prolly going in circles. I've been there too. Diabetes is a complex disorder to understand. I am still learning and have so much to learn. I just want to tell you you're trying your best, and the love you have for jellybean shows. You and Jellybean are going to get the hang of things soon, I know it!

Keep asking questions, even if they're hypothetical questions to prepare yourself for situations you know you might face one day. My thoughts are, just try to get ahead of things.

I would say just keep practicing, get some urine ketone strips, and know the symptoms of high blood sugar, low blood sugar, and diabetic ketoacidosis like the back of your hand.

Good luck! I'll be praying for you and jellybean!
 
Oh and please post daily updates on how you and jellybean are doing! When you get the hang of testing and getting those blood sugar numbers there is a long term member on here that can help you or set up your spreadsheet for you.

So don't stress about the spreadsheet, let's just focus on getting you and jellybean used to testing.
 
Let jellybean eat whatever food he will eat at the moment. It does not matter if it is not diabetic friendly. The most important thing is he eats.
Here is a link for suggestions TO STIMULATE THE APPETITE
It is possible he is nauseated so you may need to ask the vet for some antinausea medications such as cerenia or ondansetron.
If he is not eating for you and you are not giving insulin, I don’t think I would leave it until Monday before contacting the vet about getting some antinausea medications or getting the vet to check Jellybean to see what is going on. Diabetic cats do not do well if they are not eating and not getting their insulin.
In the meantime get a bottle of Ketostix or Dia-Ketostix from Walmart or a pharmacy and check the urine daily for ketones. Ketones can form if the kitty is not eating enough and is not getting enough insulin….and this is what is happening with Jelleybean, so you can see why it is so important that you get those Ketostix test strips and check for ketones.
Please keep asking questions and keep us posted how things are going.
 
@Carriecae so I think the conclusion is if you can't test. Get the urine strips that test for ketones. Ketones in urine is a medical emergency. Ketones will show up in urine if blood sugars have been high and not regulated with insulin or enough insulin.

i have the ketostix, no idea how to use them. =) can't get a blood sample from his ears, how on earth do i check his urine? he has a litter box with a fast clumping litter, and another with large pieces that lets the urine just go through to a pad underneath. I simply don't picture him letting me slide a bowl underneath his bottom. not trying to be a PITA, but jellybean is a very much touch-me-not cat until he wants his cuddles. i could try to put the stick on the pad underneath, but imagine that isn't the way to go either.

i thank you so much @Mazi's Mom for sticking with me. I also had a diabetic cat who went hypoglycemic several times with many vet visits until he finally passed. so I am trying extra hard with jellybean as i am not wanting that experience again. never did think i could call an emergency vet elsewhere. now i will.

today mr bean appears to be in better spirits. greeted me in the hallway first thing. so we'll try the monitor again tonight. i absolutely do not like flying blind after my past experiences, but this is something we're both going to have to get used to. i am trying to absorb as much as i can from these boards and other users experiences, so much has helped already. finding out about the reason his legs are weak was HUGE and took a big load off of me. I will persist and eventually i will win. my plan today is to test the test strips myself, as having 3 in a row unreadable makes me think the pack of test strips is probably no good. so might have to buy new ones of those. we'll keep trying! and thank you!
 
Let jellybean eat whatever food he will eat at the moment. It does not matter if it is not diabetic friendly. The most important thing is he eats.
Here is a link for suggestions TO STIMULATE THE APPETITE
It is possible he is nauseated so you may need to ask the vet for some antinausea medications such as cerenia or ondansetron.
If he is not eating for you and you are not giving insulin, I don’t think I would leave it until Monday before contacting the vet about getting some antinausea medications or getting the vet to check Jellybean to see what is going on. Diabetic cats do not do well if they are not eating and not getting their insulin.
In the meantime get a bottle of Ketostix or Dia-Ketostix from Walmart or a pharmacy and check the urine daily for ketones. Ketones can form if the kitty is not eating enough and is not getting enough insulin….and this is what is happening with Jelleybean, so you can see why it is so important that you get those Ketostix test strips and check for ketones.
Please keep asking questions and keep us posted how things are going.

thank you, i have the ketostix, and am reading various articles on how best to use them. so far it seems to be a new litter box with new litter. =) yay. jellybean currently has a daily buffet...he has hard food and usually up to 3 varieties of wet food. today he's eating better so far, so we'll try the blood glucose again tonight, although i believe i will try to use the test strips on myself first. the chance of all 3 of them being bad in a row? probably the entire box is bad. so we'll check that out too. changing to a new lifestyle is challenging, but i am super glad i found this board. thanks for all of the info.
 
i don't think so, he's a big fan of scratching and rearranging the litter before going.
Mazi is the same way. Hes great at covering up his business with litter and then my other cat is terrible and takes big poops and never covers it up...

Total opposites. Mazi is even a sweetheart and will go into the box after his brother leaves and covers it up for everyone...lol
 
And no worries, I'm happy to help. So many people have helped me and I just want to pay it forward. Plus I'm a huge animal lover and if I could save or help all animals I would if I could...lol
 
Mazi is the same way. Hes great at covering up his business with litter and then my other cat is terrible and takes big poops and never covers it up...

Total opposites. Mazi is even a sweetheart and will go into the box after his brother leaves and covers it up for everyone...lol

lol....now that IS being a sweetheart!
 
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