Glucose Meters

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tiffmaxee

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Why would a new Relion Micro meter show a glucose test result of 258 and the Alpha Trak show 185? Did I get a bad meter? Is there a more reliable one to buy that also isn't as expensive as the Alpha Trak test strips? My vet tested with both today at his office, one right after the next. Thanks.

Elise
 
There's a 20% variance in meters, so your 258 could be anywhere from 206 to 309

The AlphaTrack's 185 could be anywhere between 148 and 222

So as you see, the numbers are within those same general results

The only thing the AlphaTrak can do that the Relion doesn't do as well is empty your wallet :lol: (but seriously, at about $1 a strip, testing 4 or more times/day could run into some real money on just strips)

If you ever have doubts about your meter, test yourself...if you get a number that makes sense for you, the meter is probably fine

Hope this helps!
 
Thanks. That sort of makes sense. How do I use the Relion and my vet use the Alpha and we know how to successfully dose the insulin? I don't think he will be comfortable with this. He didn't like the numbers on the two yesterday. He has never used a Relion before. Is there any other meter that will register closet to the Alpha?
 
tiffmaxee said:
Thanks. That sort of makes sense. How do I use the Relion and my vet use the Alpha and we know how to successfully dose the insulin? I don't think he will be comfortable with this. He didn't like the numbers on the two yesterday. He has never used a Relion before. Is there any other meter that will register closet to the Alpha?

If your vet would like you to use the AT meter, that's fine.... so long as he is willing to pay for the difference in the strips cost. Oh, he won't pay for your strips? Then fine, you will use what has been working just fine for hundreds of others for years.

People have been comparing meters all the time but it's like apples and oranges; they are both fruit, but taste diff. Each are good for you.

You are using a meter because you want to see the effects of food and insulin on your cat, and your Relion meter will do just that. Put the AT aside and just use the one meter. Pet meters usually give higher numbers than human meters, but if human meters were bad, then I think there are alot of human diabetics who need to worry!
The only meters that are not good are the FreeStyle meters which currently have a recall out for their test strips testing lower than they should, but lots of cat owners could have told them that years ago. Also, the ones with TRU or True in the names have been iffy with their numbers.

For your next vet visit, test your cat at home, then test when you are at the vet office. Those 2 numbers will let you know how the visit affects your cat stress wise.

Gayle
 
First, you can get your guidance on dosing from here. The people here have tens of thousands (if not more) of hours of experience in treating feline diabetes. Vets just can't keep up with the latest treatments for every disease for every type of animal they see. The only thing people here deal with is controlling their cats diabetes.

If you must talk to your vet, then yes, I'd say pretty much the same thing as Gayle..that if they're willing to pay for it, you're more than happy to use it. The strips are about $1 each and the meter itself is a heck of a lot more than the Relion too. As much as I test China, the strips would cost me at least $200/month

There's nothing "magic" about an AlphaTrak that will tell you any more that using a human glucometer will. What ANY meter will tell you is:
Are the numbers coming down?
Are they staying in one particular range?
We look for "patterns" more than individual results. If you look at China's spreadsheet, look at the colors (don't pay a lot of attention to the actual numbers) from 6/19 to 6/27...see all the colors? Now look at the colors from 9/19 to 9/29...almost all blue and green...that's what we mean by looking at patterns.

Most vets think that if their diabetic patients can stay in the 200's, that's good. We don't...Normal for cats is 50-130 and the more time you can keep in those colors, the more likely it is that the pancreas can heal and go back to working to produce it's own insulin again. Vets don't always understand that there are people out there that are willing to test at home to keep their kitty safe, so they just throw out that 200 number as being "good enough" so they don't have to worry about the cat going too low. The truth is, 200's (depending on how high and your cat) can be above the renal threshold and will strain the kidneys...one of the reasons we use the protocol we do is to take the strain off the pancreas (to give it a chance to heal) as well as the rest of the organs (like the kidneys)

It's (of course) always your decision, but I can tell you that the vast majority of the members here no longer consult their vet about their cats diabetes. The only time we see the vet is for our prescriptions, routine vet care (like shots) and to diagnose other problems. There's just no way a vet has the time to do the research that's already been done (and proven to work) that the people here have.

The Lantus Tight Regulation Protocol has also been published in veterinary journals, so it's not a bunch of crazy cat people making stuff up. Maybe your vet would like to read it
 
Here are some glucose reference ranges used for decision making using glucometers. Human glucometer numbers are given first. Numbers in parentheses are for non-US meters. Numbers in curly braces are estimates for an AlphaTrak.

< 40 mg/dL (2.2 mmol/L) {< 70 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- Treat as if HYPO if on insulin
- At nadir (lowest point between shots) in a long term diabetic (more than a year), may earn a reduction.

< 50 mg/dL (2.8 mmol/L) {< 80 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- If before nadir, steer with food, ie, give modest amounts of medium carb food to keep from going below 50 (2.8).
- At nadir, often indicates dose reduction is earned.

50 - 130 mg/dL (2.8 - 7.2 mmol/L) {80 - 160 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- On insulin - great control when following a tight regulation protocol.
- Off insulin - normal numbers.
(May even go as low as the upper 30s (1.7 mmol/L){60s for an AlphaTrak}; if not on insulin, this can be safe.

= 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {> 180 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- no shot limit for ProZinc, PZI, or other non-depot insulins

> 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {> 180 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- At nadir, indicates a dose increase may be needed when following a tight regulation protocol.

200 mg/dL (11.1 mmol/L) {230 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- no shot level for beginners; may slowly reduce to 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {180 mg/dL} for long-acting insulins (Lantus, Levemir, and ProZinc) as data collection shows it is safe

180 - 280 mg/dL (10 - 15.6 mmol/L) {may be 210 - 310 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}- Any time - The renal threshold (depending on data source and cat's renal function) where glucose spills into the urine.
- Test for ketones, glucose is too high.

>= 280 mg/dL (15.6 mmol/L) {may be >=310 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}, if for most of the cycle between shots
- Uncontrolled diabetes and thus at risk for diabetic ketoacidosis and hepatic lipidosis
- Follow your insulin protocol for dose adjustments
- Test for ketones; if more than a trace level of ketones, go to vet ASAP.
 
Thanks. I have another question. I was reading the manual and it mentions a solution to use to calibrate when new and to check the machine. Do people really so this? Could that be the problem with the Relion? Of course I don't have this. My mom is now in the hospital so I can't check on Max as often so tight regulation is not possible even if I felt comfortable with testing him and with the machine. It will come so I want to get everything in place fir when she comes home and I'm not seeing my vet so often. At least Max isn't urinating as much and not drinking. He never used to drink as he gets all canned food. Thanks.
 
There is a "control" solution that some meters use, but it's not necessary with a new Relion. If the numbers were totally wonky, you might want to test the meter and that's when you'd need the solution

It's cheaper to just test yourself if you're concerned the meter isn't working correctly..if your blood glucose test is about normal, it's working fine

Sorry to hear about your mother. I'm dealing with similar issues myself as my 84 year old mother just had triple bypass surgery. It adds a lot of stress but we do the best we can.

I hope if you're giving insulin, you're at least testing before giving it. It's just not safe to shoot blind, especially if nobody is around in case of a hypo.

Good luck with your mother and hope things settle down for you soon
 
Take a look at my signature link secondary Monitoring Tools. These less precise measures are some of the things your vet will ask when you bring in a cat that is ADR - Ain't Doing Right.

Many of these will signal improving or worsening glucose control - thirst, appetite, and elimination changes, behavior, and so on. In the absence of being able to test as often as you'd like, they help support inferences from the tests you do get.
 
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