Gina & Chavvie: pre? Latest tests etc.

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Ginachavvie

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Hello all,

initially, I found sugar in a home urine test then the bloodwork and fructosamine were 319 and 13 approx. March 2 2024

Mon Apr 8, he had lost 1.15 lbs., bloodglucose 12, fructose 349. (Please note that my 24 seven focus between March 2 and April 8 was to keep him on 180 cal a day. I absolutely know that this was the weight loss.)

he is just now 14, early kidney, no protein in the urine.

Yesterday, I purchased a reliant ultimate did a quick crash course. My friend was holding him on this kitchen counter, I thought he bled really well. It was more that the damn machine gave me four error messages, despite enough blood being present. !!! Anyway, I think all good for a first attempt. He was a really good boy given. He was really extremely restrained, which he may have kind of liked and I was flying him with with low-carb kibble for the full 15 minute session.

the number American was 290. He would’ve had some food in his system, starting one hour before and continuing during up to the blood draw.

(and lots after to do the positive behaviour thing. I did end up having to get more of a bleed going. Bad bad mommy but I didn’t want to keep doing it right?)

I think he seemed fairly unfazed. He was certainly extremely affectionate all evening, which is usual. In fact, I ended up using the injector device. Maybe it’s surprised him, but when I went without the injector, he gave me a little bit more of a meow - with the injector, There was none.

for two weeks between April 8 and April 28, he had about a 1/10 component of his diet that was moderate carb. Darn it darn it darn it. Working so hard and then to find out that this product was not as low as I thought.

now I only have him on the DM wet and Dr. LC clean protein dry. The little bit of Dr. LC dry is to burn calories I threw it and he chases it.

this said I have sure had an incredibly hard time with this. And he seems to get so addicted to any things that is kibble. Like due to the fact that he believes that he’s starving. As you will see below, his weight is consistent. yes I was still trying to reduce after April 8, but not realizing that the kibble I was using was high test and carby.

to be honest, I would find it easier to be having myself on a diet and believe me that just simply doesn’t happen lol but to have him constantly looking at me and begging me telling me he’s starving well some of the time I just stand it and I either have to leave the house or I give him something

I am pretty concerned, given generally, a really high water consumption, peeing, extreme hunger behaviour. (Although oddly for periods of quite a few hours, he will not consume that much water.)

I am worried about the kidney now on high protein! is it still early given we are now feeding higher protein for a couple months.??

BLOOD GLUCoSE:

Just 1 sample to report:

May 1 - 290. Cdn 16 ?

Ear sample using human machine. Double-checked, did 2 x’s in a row.

Tested at 5:45 pm — He had not eaten since noon. I started feeding kibble (low-carb 451 cal/cup ) at 4:25 pm, gave him kibble throughout the procedure and prior from 4:25 - just plied in with a few tablespoons full of kibble while doing it….

Probably all in all had about 1/3 of a cup of kibble prior and through the testing..

WEIGHT:

After losing a pound between March 2 and April 8. 1.15 pounds. This was with me an extreme effort to keep him to 180 cal. To lose weight.)

Apt 8. 6.92
Apr 14. 6.88
Apr 17. 6.88
Apr 21. 7.02
Apr. 29. 6.94
May 1. 6.88

URINE GLUC: (strips)

Apr 16. About 30% tannish looking. Recent food

Apr 30. Last food at 11 PM no food for 10 hours. Urine strip pretty brown.

May 1. No food in hours, strip just a touch tan, mostly normal light blue

LEUKOCYTE:
(This went to my vet.. thus phrasing )
* my strips always show purple. I am assuming when his urine was tested by yourselves recently that you also saw the purple or whatever number would correspond to that. Can we please confirm that he does not have a UTI as per the diagnostics?

DIET/FOOD:

, the total intention was for him only to have had low-carb food from March 2 however, although his main food was the Purina DM wet throughout this period, I realized a bit of the food I was feeding was higher carb than it was advertised to be !!

So unfortunately, from April 8 to April 29, he was getting a very small amount of kibble a day, mainly used to exercise him, that turned out to be moderate in carbs and not low in carbs

The food fed prior to the blood collected on May 1 was very low carb (appropriate).

BEhAVIOUR:

I and he, I think have been quite stressed. A lot of the time he has pretty extreme food, seeking behaviours like licking his food mat obsessively, miaowing and such.

I do my best as I don’t want to stress him, but it has been so much anxiety because of a lack of really current information, and getting scared that he is starving as he keeps telling me.!! Some of the nights he wakes me up in the night, which is unheard of to feed him .

Then there will be certain times that he settles. But I’m worried that the ongoing higher sugar is preventing him from getting better and that may be starting to treat him. Would maybe bring the outcome we all want sooner?

I keep fighting to get that sugar down and it’s pretty clear to me that somethings not right.

Are we able to try to the senvelgo or Bexacat c circle with his level of kidney is that realistic. I have read in the data that stage one or two kidney is considered OK but let’s face it. They are trying to sell a product.

I would love to have the chance to get a little more weight reduction and see if we can’t solve it. But is he at risk, is he a suffering, and I am having a terrible time worrying, not giving in

could it harm him to have two more weeks to four more weeks without a treatment. Should I be getting him to the vet tomorrow to do the glucose curve.

Can the animal go into remission on Senvelgo? another thing I really want to ask folks is I have a huge need to be away for 5 to 6 days. Is there anyway to somehow work this in or do I need to really get on making alternative plans. This is supposed to be May 24.

I know I’m not in the critical state that many others are, but I sure would love to hear from anybody that can manage it

Thanks so much
Gina and Chavvie
 
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Are you testing the urine for ketones? a diabetic cat who is not getting any treatment for the diabetics is more prone to getting ketones and that is something you do not want to happen. You can get urine strips that are called Ketostix which test both the glucose and the ketones.
Am I correct in thinking you are not giving any medication at all for the diabetes at the moment but are considering the oral medication?
Here is some information about the new ORAL DIABETIC MEDICATIONS FOR CATS

[QUOTE="Ginachavvie, post: 3175683, member: 39517"]could it harm him to have two more weeks to four more weeks without a treatment. Should I be getting him to the vet tomorrow to do the glucose curve.[/QUOTE]
I would not stop treating a diabetic cat unless he has gone into remission. You will run into a lot of problems and it is not safe.It is ok to do a food trial for a week or 2 at most but you need to be testing for ketones during this time and to be feeding a low carb diet. Otherwise the trial is useless in determining if a low carb diet is enough to put your kitty into remission.

love to have the chance to get a little more weight reduction and see if we can’t solve it. But is he at risk, is he a suffering, and I am having a terrible time worrying, not giving in
I would focus on getting the diabetic problem sorted out first and then worry about the weight problem.
could it harm him to have two more weeks to four more weeks without a treatment. Should I be getting him to the vet tomorrow to do the glucose curve.
Yes it could harm him. Can you do a curve at home. It would be more accurate than one at the vet as cats get stressed at the vet.
Senvelgo? another thing I really want to ask folks is I have a huge need to be away for 5 to 6 days. Is there anyway to somehow work this in or do I need to really get on making alternative plans. This is supposed to be May 24.
If you need to be away for 5 days you will need to make arrangement for someone to look after your kitty. I would try and get the medication or insulin sorted out well before then.
 
There is information about low carb dry food in THIS THREAD. Look at post 4
Hi,

thank you Bron and Sheba ☺️

I get that it was long, but I don’t think there was much in it that wasn’t relevant. ..

Please don’t sidestep me and Chavvie because my story is long. I think I’ve put a lot of good information in there.

The problem is, he has NOT been diagnosed as diabetic. The vet advice was to take a month while giving him strictly DM wet food.

yes, my strips test for ketones.

by the way, the weight is in kilograms. So in other word, he is not losing weight. Yes, there is some sugar in the urine. Two vets have given me the same opinion— both stating that to give treatment now would run the risk of hypo.

I don’t have the answer about the new oral meds. If they are going to give him the chance to for remission of high sugar, then I guess they would be equal with insulin in my mind. As a newbie, it would seem far easier to add a pill into food, assuming it is easily taken by the cat, then to have to give needles twice a day.

I won’t know if he will let me take give needles if I end up trying to give insulin until I try that route

I would just like to refer you back to what I wrote just earlier today… I don’t want to just go into repeating it all here

Thank you
 
If you are testing for ketones, that is great.
I would test the blood glucose in the morning before food and then 3 hours later. I would do this each day to see how his pancreas is working. You could also do the same thing with the evening meal and three hours later. This is the best way to see if he is improving with the low carb food.
Has Charlie been tested for a UTI and had his teeth checked?. These are two reasons why he could have a raised blood glucose.
How is his appetite?
You could also get a repeat fructosamine test done in a few weeks as that is the best way to get a diabetic diagnosis.
 
Hi Bron

wow, I sure wish that I was super adept at drawing the blood. I did it for the very first time two days ago, very surprised we could do it, and it requires having a friend as I live on my own

still thank you as your advice sounds very, very prudent.

as I said in my blurb, the urine strips I use show purple for UTI or I think specifically leukocytes. That said the vet insist he has no UTI as per their recent urinalysis.

and then I don’t know if the new oral drugs, Bex Cat, or Srnvelgo, have the same properties of allowing the cat to go into remission. Do they even know yet who knows?

I think I am just getting tired of this two month wait and see face as to which direction this is going to go plus the extraordinary frustration with having enough time and support from the vet? I don’t even think that’s realistic up here. It’s $95 for a consult and they charge you out when you talk to them on the phone without a cat there. !!!!

all in all at leads to a feeling like one’s hands are tied. I can certainly understand the empowerment of being able to do these things for your cat yourself. I can certainly see that it’s really the only answer. I will do everything I can and I don’t know whether it will be enough. I don’t really think his numbers are going to subside in the next week or two. Ie, from low-carb food and the weight loss I can healthily get - given a ravenous appetite, especially in the first part of the day, the evening seems to be fine ??

and the weird thing is is that he was doing food seeking behaviours a year ago when his blood sugar was perfect. Definitely worse now.

I actually find that his really excessive urination subsides when I remove the MiraLAX. I just am dubious about MiraLAX, because it seems to draw so much water.

many thanks for all support and advice. I have really found this extremely difficult. We have had cats all of our lives, but we’ve never had diabetes, nor have I ever had a cat that I couldn’t just free feed. It seems to make me panic that I can just feed him when he wants to be fed. Sounds crazy, but it’s true!
 
You can free feed if you like. Just make it low carb.
Have you thought about setting up a spreadsheet to put the BG data in? Information on how to do that is her in HELP US HELP YOU
Also in that link is how to set up your signature…very simple and will only take a couple of minutes. That will tell us all about Chavvie.
We are here to help in any way we can…just ask.
 
You can free feed if you like. Just make it low carb.
Have you thought about setting up a spreadsheet to put the BG data in? Information on how to do that is her in HELP US HELP YOU
Also in that link is how to set up your signature…very simple and will only take a couple of minutes. That will tell us all about Chavvie.
We are here to help in any way we can…just ask.
Hi Bron,

I want to show you some BG numbers. I’m completely amazed that I have done the ear pricking a few times, overall it’s going very well…. Definitely focussing on giving him his favourite treats at this time.

may 1: 5:25 pm - 290, with food in the preceding hour

may 5: 9:00 am - no food in 12 hours - 329
May 5: 1:20 pm - as you said 3 to 4 hours after food - 243

may 6: 5:05 pm - no food in 5-6 hours - 209

being new to this, but I am very shocked at his overnight blood sugar being so high at 9 AM!!
does this seem a normal pattern with cats?
there is a huge difference also in his drinking, peeing, and food seeking they are all out of control when the sugar is really high (for him)
This seems to always be in the morning, which is always the time that I feed him a few different things, including broth and bear in mind all curb appropriate all very low carb.
I distinctly noticed that when I get home in the afternoon, the water is not significantly gone, and he has not peed

it is all during the first few hours in the morning after eating that everything goes crazy, including extreme food, seeking behaviour very extreme. Many trips to the box, etc..

I have a vet appointment tomorrow, she will do fructosamine but what I’m worried about is that for the first two weeks of that. He was accidentally on a higher carb food. Now since April 28, he has been strictly low. Should I delay taking him for the bloodwork? I don’t really think I should, but I’m concerned that the fructosamine will be skewed.

I basically feel like sometimes there’s nothing at all wrong with him, blood sugar, wise, and in the mornings it’s terrible. Should I be getting up in the night and give him a bite down on the floor?

would really appreciate your input thanks so much

gina
 
Hi Gina
It is normal for the am BG to be higher.
I think you could go ahead and have the fructosamine test done tomorrow. It would be good to find out if he is a diabetic or not. But with a BG of 329, I would say he is. I can see that the BG has gone down a few hours after food, but not down to normal, so it is possible his pancreas I could be working a bit, but all the numbers you have quoted are above normal.
Remind me…have you been testing for ketones in the urine?
 
Hi Bron
I am just now home from the vet…. He was very stressed. He had a new vet, his vet of his whole life to whom he was attached, is gone now.

weight: 6.74 kg, down from 6.94 kg on Apr 8
(Diet change to DM wet, only low carb)

Fructosamine: 277. (Down from 349 on Apr 8). Yay.
Blood glucose: 12.6
Sugar in urine: 1000

as he has early ckd:
Creatinine was in normal range
BUN was up a touch 13.0
USG 1.010

this new vet, who is at the same clinic, and has been practising for 30 years, she said my cat is a conundrum!

We’ve been chasing this diagnosis for a couple months now

Her advice: she sent me home with their pet glucometer and wants me to do each day for seven days, his blood glucose, first thing in a.m.. If it is not good, then we begin to treat. ( I believe she is thinking the senvelgo.. but that’s for a bit later..)

over the past few days, I don’t see the amount of water being displaced as previous.

ps. He has been on porous one for his kidney, and I actually think it works pretty good, thats my hearsay report. I even tried to research if it could cause some problems with the blood sugar.?

also, the ravenous appetite is not consistent.. and he started to eat more than he really needs about a year ago. I thought he was developing hyper thyroid, but he was gaining weight at the same time and that has been checked and is negative.

I am actually not surprised the fructosamine is a lot better, we have really changed the diet and I also get him a little bit of exercise each day.
I am also just very concerned because I need to be away for five days sometime over the next month and I do see the odd pet sitter that can do needles and urine, but I wouldn’t want to leave him to somebody else you know when he needs me? Do you have any thoughts?
I could get a vet tech.

I don’t travel well because of my cats anyway. I get separation anxiety as much as they do, but I thought he might not get horribly distressed for 5 days.

I really appreciate any comments that you might have! thank you so much for your help and support to me and Chavvie…
 
Hi Bron
I am just now home from the vet…. He was very stressed. He had a new vet, his vet of his whole life to whom he was attached, is gone now.

weight: 6.74 kg, down from 6.94 kg on Apr 8
(Diet change to DM wet, only low carb)

Fructosamine: 277. (Down from 349 on Apr 8). Yay.
Blood glucose: 12.6
Sugar in urine: 1000

as he has early ckd:
Creatinine was in normal range
BUN was up a touch 13.0
USG 1.010

this new vet, who is at the same clinic, and has been practising for 30 years, she said my cat is a conundrum!

We’ve been chasing this diagnosis for a couple months now

Her advice: she sent me home with their pet glucometer and wants me to do each day for seven days, his blood glucose, first thing in a.m.. If it is not good, then we begin to treat. ( I believe she is thinking the senvelgo.. but that’s for a bit later..)

over the past few days, I don’t see the amount of water being displaced as previous.

ps. He has been on porous one for his kidney, and I actually think it works pretty good, thats my hearsay report. I even tried to research if it could cause some problems with the blood sugar.?

also, the ravenous appetite is not consistent.. and he started to eat more than he really needs about a year ago. I thought he was developing hyper thyroid, but he was gaining weight at the same time and that has been checked and is negative.

I am actually not surprised the fructosamine is a lot better, we have really changed the diet and I also get him a little bit of exercise each day.
I am also just very concerned because I need to be away for five days sometime over the next month and I do see the odd pet sitter that can do needles and urine, but I wouldn’t want to leave him to somebody else you know when he needs me? Do you have any thoughts?
I could get a vet tech.

I don’t travel well because of my cats anyway. I get separation anxiety as much as they do, but I thought he might not get horribly distressed for 5 days.

I really appreciate any comments that you might have! thank you so much for your help and support to me and Chavvie…
Yes I’m testing for ketones, usually at least every two or three days I am able to get urine. If I had to get it more often, I could I would just have to stay home and follow him around. . Nothing whatsoever for ketones.
 
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