Freshly diagnosed 13 year-old cat

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TresGatos

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Hi all,

Our 13 year-old male cat was just diagnosed with diabetes. I've been reading the boards here and googling other information. I want to make sure that I am doing what is right for my cat, not just what the vet tells me to do. He lost a LOT of weight over the past month or two. I kept trying to bulk him back up with some high protein (Blue brand which the vet said isn't good at all) wet food in addition to free feeding dry food but the weight wouldn't stick. In all honestly he's been slowly losing weight for probably about a year, but I naively assumed that it was just due to his 'senior' age. So right now according to our vet he is 4-5lbs underweight at 5lbs 8oz. Also his liver enzymes were elevated, kidney function decreased and the vet thinks he also has pancreatitis. The vet thinks that these problems will go away once we get the blood glucose levels regulated.

The vet is advising starting on a very low dose of Lantus 2x per day. She want us to bring him in the first day of insulin shots (scheduled to start Monday) to plot a curve of his blood glucose. Then he has to go back in once a day for the next two days to get a blood glucose test. I asked her about home testing because the protocol she first recommended (having a curve plotted for the first 3 days, to a tune of about $900) was cost prohibitive for us. She poopoo'ed the idea of home testing, but I can see from reading here that this is a common position for some vets to take. I think I am going to do home testing anyhow because I want to get my cat healthy and well as soon as possible. I am just having trouble seeing the merits of shelling out $50 odd dollars every two weeks for testing in the vet's office, when we could get a better read on his numbers with regular home testing. He's a really sweet old docile guy and I don't think he will give me trouble about testing or shots. He's really the calmest, friendliest cat I've ever seen.

He free feeds dry food (science diet, recently switched from Blue at the vets insistence) but he will eat wet food very enthusiastically, this cat has NEVER met a meal he would turn down. He is underweight and possibly suffering from pancreatitis so I am thinking that we really shouldn't change his diet too much right now. The vet does want me to put him on a prescription diet. I am debating the merits of that, so I would like some advice on that front. Also, I am wondering how to best get some meat back on his bones. I am having trouble wrapping my brain around how to keep his diet regulated, I don't know if I should switch from free feeding or not. Given that we have three cats I can see a switch to more regulated mealtimes becoming a major issue.

The vet told me that the bottle of Lantus can last up to a year but that contradicts what I am reading here and other place on the internet. If it really only lasts a month, I don't know if I can afford it. I priced it out and the lowest price I found was around $140 per bottle. If you figure $140 per bottle plus a minimum of $100 a month in vet costs (going by her recommendations of in office BG testing) that adds up fast.

Basically, I am curious if it's realistic that he could ever go into remission, the vet told me that about 50% of the diabetic cats she treats will go into remission. I hate feeling like a miser but I have to consider the cost of all this testing, glucose, etc and try to keep the costs as low as possible. I can't help but feel like my vet is in the business of selling her services, secondary to caring for animals of course, but the fact remains that she does want to make money also.

Sorry I've rambled on but this is all very new and stressful to me. Thank you for listening and thank you in advance for your advice and feedback.
 
Hi and welcome:) I know it's a huge amount of information to learn, it's overwhelming and stressful. The best thing to tell you is to switch to all wet food and hometest. I know that's easier said than done in a multi cat household, but lots of members here do it and can probably give you advice on it. I only have one cat so it's easier in that regard, I use an autofeeder and mini meals of wet food so she can still graze, but I also wanted to let you know remission is possible for some cats. My cat is in remission and diet controlled only now, it's our one month anniversary today off being off insulin! She also has early kidney disease. I don't know much about pancreatitis.

Some cats are diet controlled without ever needing insulin on the wet low carb diet. The dose seems high for a cat that small. What was the glucose level at the vet, do you know? It is usually elevated from the stress of the vet office. You can do your own curve at home for cheaper and the numbers would be closer to what they actually are, without the vet office stress. Where are you located? If you're in the US, walmart sells a reasonable priced glucometer (relion) and the strips are cheap. I'm in Canada so didn't have that option but there are other meters that are good too and strips are cheaper on ebay:) Lantus vials can last up to six months if you keep it in the fridge. Some members may have experience with it lasting longer that can advise.

Check out this site: http://catinfo.org/ and her chart for foods http://catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPublic9-22-12.pdf that many members use for their diabetic kitties. The lower carbs the better, under 10 for diabetic cats. Use the % calories carb column. A lot of members use the tight regulation protocol on Lantus, there are a bunch of "stickies" at the top of the forum with more great info that you can read when you have a chance and it talks about starting doses and how long you can keep Lantus, etc:) You can find those here: http://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewforum.php?f=9 There is relaxed Lantus too, you can decide which protocol you are comfortable with.

Hopefully I helped with some of your questions, more people should be along soon to give more help:)

EDIT: Sorry, I saw 2x and thought "2 units", my bad, I was on my cell phone :? I see others thought the same, lol. No dose mentioned...
 
Welcome. Most of us here who use Lantus insulin purchase the five pack of 3 ml disposable pens vice the 10 ml vial, Although the per ml price of the pens is greater than for the vials you can usually use the entire vial before it goes bad. You can also use a coupon to reduce the cost for the first prescription. See:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3696

SOme kities go into remission and some do not. I have had ten diabetic kitties and none went into remission.
 
Welcome!

This site has lots of great info and can be overwhelming at times, but its all worth it when our kitties start to turn around and improve! Your poor kitty has a lot going on right now. BTW - What is you kitty's name?

I, myself, don't know too much to be able to give much advice, and I don't know much about Lantus, but I agree with Rachel that 2units of Lantus seems like a LOT for an underweight kitty of less than 6 pounds. I'm sure other Lantus users will start adding their comments soon.

When cats are unregulated diabetics they cannot process the food they are eating so their bodies are "starving" even though they may be eating more than ever before. When you start to get his diabetes in-check (regulated) and his blood sugar readings start coming down, then he can start to put weight back on because his body will be better able to process the food he eats. Until then, it will be very difficult if not impossible to get his weight back up. How was he diagnosed diabetic to begin with? Blood test or urine test? Fructosamine test?

Most members (if not all) advocate testing his blood sugar every time before giving an insulin shot. I now test before every shot (didn't always do that and it didn't turn out well for me - won't try that again!) so I know that it is safe to give Munchkin his insulin dose. I don't want to give him insulin if it could take his sugar too low and cause a hypoglycemic episode. Not fun!

Some great tips to learn to home test:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13c_ ... PPhEag/pub
All stuff I never knew before finding FDMB! I encourage you to start practicing and learning home testing now, before the vet decides it is time to start giving insulin shots, so you can be ahead of the game! But, I know this is all very overwhelming. And all you can do is try to do your best.

Hope this helps!
 
My lantus vial lasted 4 months (although expiration on label was 28 days) - if kept in the fridge and handled gently, it can last toward 6 months.
At his present weight, 2 u is too much - he could go hypo.

initial dose = 0.25 x ideal weight in kilograms
I think this works out at .67u - i.e. about .75 of a unit.
You can get syringes with half unit marking (eg. Walmart relion brand) so could do a .75.
However, I would want someone more experienced to comment before you start with insulin.

And of course, you can do the curve and all testing yourself - better for you and your cat!

Your cat does seem very underweight and that would be a big cause for concern.
Not sure which Blue brand you are using - but pretty much anything is better than Science Diet dry!!! My cat was on the weight-loss one for years and I really believe that's what caused her diabetes in the first place.
Give him as much canned pate-style foods as he wants - he really is starving at the moment. There are lots of good brands (of course, my 3 only like the cheaper Friskies and Fancy Feast).
You can split the food into smaller meals and/or free feed - he needs to get that weight back on.
You can also add extra protein to his diet with raw or partly cooked turkey/chicken thighs - this shouldn't replace the canned food as it doesn't have all the nutrients a cat needs but it could help with his muscle mass.

There is a specific tests for pancreatis - fPLI. I think its the only one.
Why do they think pancreatis - does he show signs of pain, meatloaf position, very high bg, poor appertite?
Do you have the bg numbers from the vet?
 
Welcome! You are in the right place to get good information to treat your kitty.

You are absolutely correct in wanting to home test. There is no reason to test a cat at the vet, where the BG will be high due to stress anyway. It's a little traumatic learning how and if you are queasy around blood (like I am) but you need to do it to keep your kitty safe. You can buy strips and glucometers at American Diabetes Wholesale online and it won't be outrageously expensive. Use a human meter, not the pet ones.

Here is a link to Dr. Lisa's food chart. Cats normally eat about 4% carbs. We consider anything under 10% to be low carb and good for cats. You should ban dry food from your house immediately. It's way too high in carbs for cats. Your other cats will be healthier too if they eat wet food. Usually the prescription foods are made with low quality ingredients so those are not the best choice. If you have any food or eating issues, be sure to ask here. We have a ton of tricks to get cats to eat. :-D

We use the formula for a starting dose of 0.25u per kilogram of body weight so that would be 0.6u or maybe just 0.5u. You can get syringes with 0.5u markings. Check the zero line though, sometimes they are off a bit. I'm not sure where someone saw you were supposed to start at 2u twice a day - that would be way to much.

You can use the pens, those are cheaper. A vial will last about 2 months or so. Keep it in the fridge.

This is all a bit overwhelming at first and stressful. We've all been there so you will get lots of support here.
Liz
 
I've read and re-read the post and I don't see where she mentions 2 units. Sorry, if my eyes deceive me.

Did your vet do a Fructosamine test to tell if he is diabetic?
 
Link to the lantus solostar pen savings card program. http://www.lantus.com/considering/save-on-lantus/default.aspx This is program set up by the manufacturer to get people to use their product. It works well for cats too so look into this to see about saving some money on the Lantus. The savings card is good for your first 6 prescriptions. The pens hold 30ml? I think. Some other people on here can tell you how long the pens last for them.

Yes, having 3 kitties and switching them all to canned food can be a challenge, especially if some of them do not recognize canned food as being edible for cats. I switched my 2 civvies to wet the same time I got my foster diabetic Wink. The 2 civvies loved the wet, Wink did not want to eat it. There are ways to slowly switch a stubborn cat to a wet food diet.

More importantly, switching to any low carb food would help your cat. Fancy Feast Classic pates and Friskies are 2 lower cost options for wet food. Some dry foods include Young again zero carb is only available by mail order and is quite expensive. Here are some other low carb dry foods from Dr Lisa Pierson's site, catinfo.org.
Natura/Innova's EVO, Wellness CORE, and Nature's Variety Instinct.
These low-carb dry foods are very high in fat and therefore are very calorie dense. These foods must be
portion-controlled otherwise your cat may end up gaining weight. Note that dry Innova EVO has 612
calories per cup according to the information on the bag. This is substantially higher than most dry foods.
One quarter of a cup contains 153 calories so be very careful to pay attention to how much of these high
calorie dry foods you feed.
The caloric needs of an average cat can range between 150 - 250 calories/day depending on their lean
body weight and activity level.
The low-carb dry foods are also very high in phosphorus. This is especially detrimental for cats with
compromised kidney function.
And, of course, these low-carb dry foods are water-depleted - just like all dry foods - are and are cooked at
very high temperatures in order to dry them out.
I do not recommend these dry foods for long-term feeding for all of the reasons stated above. Please use
them only as transition diets.
Be sure to stay away from any "light" varieties since those types of foods are very high in carbohydrates.

Yes, you can get your cat feeling better and back to doing some of the things he used to do with
1. low carb food
2. home testing blood glucose
3. a long acting insulin like Lantus, Levimir or Prozinc.
4. an appropriate dose of insulin

Keep asking questions, we will provide answers, and hopefully they will be the right ones. :-D :shock: :o
 
Thank you all!

Here is some more information:

-the cats are Silver (the diabetic 13yo) Fiona (10yo) Monkey (2yo)

-the tests done were (copying from the page the vet gave me): chem, CBC, t4, urinalysis, spec fPL, cardiopet proBNP. the vet also gave him fluids under the skin, and an injection of both b12 and famotidine. the blood glucose was 450, the vet told me he should be somewhere around 100. I do not see anything about a fructosamine test on the sheet of information she gave me. I plan on asking her for a printout of all the results when we go back in. The reason he had so many tests is because he had started vomiting a lot and had diarrhea in the past week. He did keep down ALL his food last night and I haven't seen any more diarrhea today.

-right now the plan is for me to acquire the insulin and supplies. we will start insulin on Monday so that we have the entire week of vet availability in case of hypoglycemia. prevention if hypoglycemia is the reason the vet wanted to do 3 days of curves. I can only afford for her to do one day of curve. I think I'll personally feel better about the whole thing if I can monitor his glucose levels myself. The last thing I want to do is make things worse for him. She mentioned starting him on 1u 2x a day but she did tell me to get syringes with 1/2u markings. She hasn't given me exact dosages or instructions yet. She just called me this morning to tell me the results and tell me to come pick up a prescription for the insulin.

-we've only been feeding science diet for a month, maybe two months. before that the cats have been on a mixture of blue buffalo sensitive stomach and blue grain free dry food. I think all the cats will eat wet food. My apprehension comes from switching to free feeding to wet food. Is it at all feasible to free feed multiple cats with wet food? I am willing to try it, I just have to do some troubleshooting. My worry is that Monkey, the youngest cat, won't ever get enough to eat because she is a real grazer and if she walks away from a dish with wet food one of the other cats will not hesitate to eat it all up. Silver is always hungry (from the diabetes I now realize) and Fiona is just a giant fat tabby, I think she might be half piglet and half tabby.

Now more questions:

Which monitor is the best to use? Will I need a new prescription for the Lantus pens? The one the vet gave me calls for a 10mls bottle. What about tartar and wet foods? We've always fed dry foods for dental health. For now, I have these cans of food I bought from the vet that she suggested. One can of Hills i/d and one can of royal canin gastro intestinal. Do you think it would be okay to feed him those cans until I can research it more and figure out exactly which wet food to feed? I am doing the research this evening and I will make a trip to walmart for a monitor tomorrow afternoon. I watched some videos on youtube about testing cats at home and I am confident that I can do it.

Once again thank you for your help.
 
Welcome to FDMB. Hope posted on the Lantus board so you're probably going to get deluged. If anything doesn't make sense, please don't hesitate to ask us to clarify.

Pretty much everyone on the FDMB site is an advocate for home testing so if you are looking for support, you've got it. It is the best way for you to keep your cat safe. In addition, home monitoring is supported by Lantus researchers (i.e., Jacqui Rand, DVM) and the American Animal Hospital Association.

The attachment includes the Lantus Tight Regulation Protocol which can be followed at home provided you are home testing.

Given your cat's weight, the formula for starting dose that Denise/Honey provided should indicate that you want to use your cat's actual (vs. ideal) weight in kilograms. I would probably round the numbers down so that the initial dose was 0.5u. Don't be surprised if your vet suggests a higher dose. Personally, I would suggest that the best argument for a smaller starting dose is that your vet doesn't want you to home test. (Your vet really can't have it both ways and insure Silver's safety.)

Many people here use the Walmart house brand meter -- Relion. Meters aren't the big expense. The cost is mostly strips. The Relion strips are inexpensive. You will also need lancets. In the beginning, a wider gauge lancet will help you to more easily get blood. Look for lancets that are 28 gauge or less. (The higher the gauge of the lancet, the thinner the needle. A 28 gauge is thicker than a 30 gauge.) You'll also want syringes that are in half unit increments. Relion syringes come in half units.

Others have noted that Lantus lasts more than 28 days. I use the Solostar pens. Each pen contains 3 ml. of Lantus and 5 pens are in a box. (You may be able to purchase individual pens if you call around to local drug stores and hospital pharmacies.) You get 15 ml. of insulin total vs. 10 ml in a vial. You do NOT need to get the syringe tips for the pens. You use a syringe, the same way you would with a vial. I was able to use my last pen for 47 days. How long you are able to use your insulin largely depends on the dose and being careful with the insulin. Unless you are in Canada, you will need a prescription for Lantus and in most states in the U.S., you will need a prescription for syringes [U100 3/10cc syringes with half unit markings are the best to use for fine dosing. BD, Monoject, GNP, and ReliOn are some of the brands available with half unit markings. Needle gauge and length is your preference They come in ½ inch or 5/16 inch needle lengths. Needle gauges 29, 30 or 31 (31 being the thinnest)].

The idea that hard food removes tarter is the equivalent of an urban myth. Someone here once mentioned that if this were true, we could all eat crunchy cookies and never need to see the dentist. Lisa Pierson, DVM is a vet with an interest in feline nutrition. She discusses some of these misconceptions on her website. The Hill's I/D is 23% carb. The Royal Canin, depending on whether it's high or moderate energy, is either 20 or 30% carb, respectively. Most of us give our kitties canned food that's under 10% carb (usually more in the 5% range). Those foods are what we would consider high carb. Many people here feed Friskies or Fancy Feast pate style foods, especially if on a budget. If you're planning on feeding all of your kitties the same food, the larger the can, the more economical. For example, Wellness (a premium, human grade cat food) in the 15 oz can costs the same per ounce as Fancy Feast since the latter comes in 3 oz cans. Friskies comes in the big cans.

Just to add to your research, you may want to take a look at the starred sticky notes at the top of the Lantus board. There is a huge volume of information in those notes.
  • Tight Regulation Protocol: This sticky contains the dosing protocol that we use here. There are also links to the more formal version -- the “Tilly” Protocol developed by the counterpart of this group in Germany, which was also published by Kirsten Roomp & Jacqui Rand, DVM in one of the top vet journals.
  • New to the Group: Everything you wanted to know about this forum and more. Info on our slang, FAQs, links to sites on feline nutrition and to food charts containing carb counts, how to do a curve and the components to look for, important aspects of diabetes such as ketones, DKA, and neuropathy, and most important, info on hypoglycemia.
  • Handling Lantus: how to get the maximum use from your insulin and what to not do with it!
  • Lantus depot: This is an important concept for understanding how Lantus works.
  • Lantus & Levemir: Shooting & Handling Low Numbers: What data you need in order to be able to work toward remission or tight regulation as well as information if you have a low pre-shot number or a drop into low numbers during the cycle.
Sorry for the length of this post. I've managed to deluge you all by myself! Please let us know how we can help.
 

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Hello and welcome to the board

I would definitely move them all to wet food before starting the insulin as it can bring the blood sugar down quite fast. As soon as possible!! Many of us use fancy feast classic pâtés, friskies Pâtés or wellness grain free canned. Cheaper foods than prescription and just as good for diabetic cats.

I have seen quite a few cats go into remission here, with a good low carb wet food , home testing and a good insulin like lantus it is a definite possibility you should aim for. He should start to maintain and gain weight once he is regulated. Meanwhile I personally would feed him as much wet food as he wants. I free feed all three of my cats wet (and 2/3 are diabetic).

Also don't worry about dental health, saying dry food is good for cats teeth is like saying peanut brittle is good for ours. And if you have ever seen cat puke you know they barely chew. It's more about bacterial balance and that is better on wet food, and really depends on the cat too.

Lantus lasts up to six months in the fridge. Longer if you get the pens since you get a pack and only "open" one pen at a time. (you don't need syringe tips that are designed for them, you use regular insulin syringes). You may need to get the vet to revise the prescription to say pens (it's a pack of 3ml*5 pens)

Can you add our country/ state info to your signature so we can help better? It also helps us be able to advise better in terms of what meter to buy etc. here is a shopping list in case you are in the US..

Getting started shopping list
1. Meter ie Walmart Relion
2. Matching strips
3. Lancets - little sticks to poke the ear to get blood . new members usually start with a larger gauge lancet such as 28g or 29g until the ear learns to bleed. Optional - lancing tool.
4. Cotton balls to stem the blood
5. Neosporin or Polysporin ointment to heal the wound
6. Mini flashlight (optional) - useful to help see the ear veins in dark cats, and to press against
7. Ketone urine test strips ie Ketostix or ketodiastix - Important to check ketones when blood is high
8. Sharps container - to dispose of waste syringes and lancets.
9. Treats for the cat - like freeze dried chicken
10. Karo syrup/corn syrup or honey if you dont have it at home - for hypo emergencies to bring blood sugar up fast
11. A couple of cans of fancy feast gravy lovers or other high carb gravy food- for hypo emergencies to bring blood sugar up fast


Wendy
 
I think you will need a new prescription for the Lantus pens. That should be easy enough to get. Did you see the video on drawing the dose in this starred sticky? Scroll down a bit from the top. It's a bit different using a vial vs. a pen. Do not inject air into the pen.

Silver is so underweight right now, I wouldn't start at 1u. He is pretty high though so maybe 0.75u would be good.

That's great if you can get the glucometer tomorrow and start testing him before you start the insulin. Try not to freak out over the numbers.

You will just have to try the wet food and see what works for your cats. You may need to feed Monkey a few special meals so you know she gets enough. You can freeze cubes of food and leave those out or you can use automatic feeders. I wouldn't be surprised if Fiona loses weight when she switches to wet food.

Be sure to put together a hypo kit. There is a link at the bottom of this starred sticky. Be sure to get some medium and high carb food when you are out shopping for low carb food. And a bottle of honey or karo syrup.

One other thing to do is set up a spreadsheet. It's how we keep track of all the test data so we can help you. Guess what? The instructions are in a starred sticky. :lol: :lol: If you have any problems, please ask for help.

Ok, this is a lot to do. Just keep plugging away, you are doing a great thing for Silver. :-D :-D :-D
Liz
 
I read all the links you guys gave me, all the starred stickies, etc. VERY helpful. I fell like I have more of a handle on this now.

Today I talked to the vet again. We discussed the home testing and I told her about all the research I had been doing. She agreed that home testing is probably a good idea for us since I can't afford to bring Silver in for the curves as often as she would like. Her main concern was that I use a meter that has proven reliable when used with cats. I told her that the reli-on meter that I purchased today came highly recommended from other owners of diabetic cats. She seemed satisfied with that. We agreed that I would test and track all the data and bring it in regularly for her to go over. It made me feel better that she's on board with the low carb diet and the frequent home testing. I feel like it's better if we can be more on the same page. Oh, and I am in California, just so you guys know where we are.

Monday I will take him in and they will start him on the Lantus insulin and do a curve. When I pick him up in the evening they will train me to do the shots. I feel better today after all the reading and research I've done. Things aren't quite as overwhelming now. I went and bought the reli-on prime, the strips, alcohol swabs and ketone strips. I have karo syrup and all that here already, so I put the two cans of high carb food I bought from the vet with all the supplies in case of emergency low sugar. I also bought the friskies pate in the big can from Walmart, and he ate half the can! I know right now I should feed him as much as he will eat. Once his blood glucose has regulated, how do I know how much to feed him? Do cats have a tendency to overeat wet foods?

I tried for the first time to do a BG test. This did not go well. I think I will try again later when my husband is home and can help me. I did not buy a lancing tool because I was afraid of piercing all the way through his ear. I bought the reli-on lancets in 33 gauge because that is all they had at walmart. I feel like they might be too fine. Tonight I will do the baby sock and rice thing to help get the blood flowing. I got some blood out but not enough to test and then Silver started to feel squirmy and I didn't want to torture him with another jab. I have to get some treats to encourage him to like getting tested.

A couple more questions:
-Should I be looking for the LOWEST carb foods? Or is something like the friskies pate (a 9% carb) okay because it's under 10%? Is it better to get something low like a 4-5%?
-What about treats? Where do I find healthy, low carb treats? Because we are definitely going to need some treats to make testing BG a little more tolerable. Would it be okay to give him a little piece of roasted chicken or a tiny slice of ham or something? (he really, really loves roasted chicken as a treat. I always have to pay alms to him with a morsel of chicken whenever I roast one.)
-Does a lancing tool make the testing easier?
-What about water? He's crazy thirsty all the time (now I know why!) and prefers to drink running water so I think I am going order a cat fountain. Does anyone have a recommendation for a particular type of cat fountain?
 
-Should I be looking for the LOWEST carb foods? Or is something like the friskies pate (a 9% carb) okay because it's under 10%? Is it better to get something low like a 4-5%?
-What about treats? Where do I find healthy, low carb treats? Because we are definitely going to need some treats to make testing BG a little more tolerable. Would it be okay to give him a little piece of roasted chicken or a tiny slice of ham or something? (he really, really loves roasted chicken as a treat. I always have to pay alms to him with a morsel of chicken whenever I roast one.)
-Does a lancing tool make the testing easier?
-What about water? He's crazy thirsty all the time (now I know why!) and prefers to drink running water so I think I am going order a cat fountain. Does anyone have a recommendation for a particular type of cat fountain?

Any between 8-10% is fine. Lower is good too, except for fish too often.
Roast chicken is a great treat (no spices ). Others are Bonito flakes and Purebites
Some people like a lancing too; some don't - personal preference. 33 is too fine. 25-27 is much better
Yes, warm the ear well.

Sounds like you have a good plan in place!
 
Testing can be challenging at first so don't give up..here are a few key tips

1. Always give a treat whether you are successful or not
2. Freehanding the tool can be easier because it gives you more control. Remember a 45 degree angle aimed near the ear vein. And something firm behind the ear to press against. Newbies tend to not press firmly enough because they are scared to hurt the cat but its less painful than a prick to your finger so don't worry!
3. Make sure the ear is really warm to touch.
4. A bigger lancet would probably help

The ear will also learn to bleed over time so keep trying as it does get easier , you could also aim for the vein itself if you are having issues although its not something you want to do indefinitely. Also the relion prime needs more blood than the relion micro and confirm so you might want to try one of those short term(they need half the amount of the prime but they are a bit more expensive) and keep it as a backup meter once you get used to testing.

Many of us here feed freeze dried chicken treats but here are other ideas.. http://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9172

Lastly once you get his BG under control the drinking should revert to normal.

Wendy
 
My cat loves his Drinkwell Platinum Water Fountain

I have always used 28 gauge lancets, and I always freehand the lancets. I think the 33 gauge are probably too thin. I know I would have to poke and poke and poke to get blood with those. Whenever I've tried higher gauge lancets they just didn't work well for me.

J.D. gets pieces of boiled chicken breast, bits of broiled unseasoned steak, thawed out already cooked large frozen shrimp, freeze dried chicken livers, freeze dried chicken breast, and freeze dried salmon for treats. Very rarely, he gets some slices of store bought chicken livers (cooked), or some bits of human tuna (in water), and on his birthday he gets lobster :)
Some people give lunch meat, but you have to be really careful that they don't have seasonings in or on it, as onions are bad for cats.
 
There are a few of us in CA - I'm in San Jose.
If you need any help with testing, we can see if anyone is nearby and willing to come out to show you.

Purebites freeze dried chicken is a favourite in our house - petco sell it if you want to try but then buy on Amazon or online for better prices (use link at the top of the forum page)
 
Ham often is cured with some type of sugar. Freeze dried chicken is usually popular. You can use the dog version, it's cheaper, just don't tell Silver. :lol:

We use 28 gauge lancets too. 33 must be very thin. And we freehand. You can warm the ear with a sock with rice or flax seed. Heat it in the microwave for a few seconds. You'll have to experiment to see how long.

That is great that your vet is supportive of your plan! Definitely easier that way. I think most people are not willing to do the home testing and are willing to pay. $900 - I'm still shocked over that.

I think 4-5% carbs is ideal. Anything under 10% is good. Dry food is unacceptable. If your cat will eat different flavors, look for ones that are lower in phosphorus, due to kidney issues, like under 200 in Dr. Lisa's chart.

You are doing a great job!
Liz
 
Just wanted to say hello from one Californian to another! :YMHUG: NorCal or SoCal?

Also, for the Friskies Pate, look for the Special Diet ones as they're lower in carb (~5%). And I second the suggestion about mixing it with water. It helps keep Kitty well-hydrated and feeling fuller. :-D
 
Its wonderful that your vet is on board with home testing!

I guess I'm in the minority - I find it much easier to use the lancing device. I tried to free-hand it but I was always too hesitant to be successful. I've used two different lancing devices and both came with two different caps. One cap was clear and I like using that one because I can see to aim where I poke. However, the depth of the poke is not adjustable since the clear cap is for "alternate site testing" in humans. (P.S. - The lancets labeled for "alternate site testing" are typically the thicker gauge lancets, even if they aren't labeled with the numeric gauge size.)

I can sometimes poke all the way through my kitty's (Munchkin's) ear using the clear cap. The other cap is not clear but it is depth adjustable so you can set it to poke shallower. Some cats are bothered by the "click" sound the device makes, but I just spent some time over a couple days clicking it over and over (without a lancet and without poking) when we had our regular snuggles so he would get used to the sound. Personally, I am sticking with the clear cap. I have learned how to ever-so-lightly press Munchkin's ear up against it without it poking too deep and through his ear. The "light touch" was easier for me to learn, than to learn how to aim using the opaque caps. The ReliOn lancet device is not my favorite; I like the OneTouch device better.

I also use the ReliOn Prime meter and like it. It doesn't seem to use much blood, and the strips are super cheap! (That was a major selling point for me - cheap!) We also use an antibiotic ointment with a pain reliver in it. I didn't see where you commented if you had also bought an antiobiotic ointment. Applying a tiny smuge of ointment before the poke can help the blood bead up (and not get lost in the ear fur).

For me it was difficult to learn to home test, but don't give up! Stick with it! Munchkin now knows when it is our testing time and comes and finds me . . . well, he comes looking for his treats!
 
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