Fredo, IBD or Lymphoma, NEED HELP

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Hi All, been awhile. So Fredo, who has been OTJ and in remission for a year and a half now, has either IBD or Lymphoma, tbd. Desperate for new food (formerly FF classics, chunky, flaked), preferably hypo allergenic, probably novel protein and MUST be super low carb. I am not ready to put him through raw at this point. He is currently not eating anything other than fresh poached chicken. He is o metronidizole, buprenex, and cerenia. today he got a little mirtazepine, which helped. I need to get him eating again.
ALSO, with either diagnosis he will not be able to take prednislone, as it would retrigger his diabetes. I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with this issue?
Would be super grateful for guidance and thoughts! Thanks!
 
misskitty007 said:
Hi All, been awhile. So Fredo, who has been OTJ and in remission for a year and a half now, has either IBD or Lymphoma, tbd. Desperate for new food (formerly FF classics, chunky, flaked), preferably hypo allergenic, probably novel protein and MUST be super low carb. I am not ready to put him through raw at this point. He is currently not eating anything other than fresh poached chicken. He is o metronidizole, buprenex, and cerenia. today he got a little mirtazepine, which helped. I need to get him eating again.
ALSO, with either diagnosis he will not be able to take prednislone, as it would retrigger his diabetes. I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with this issue?
Would be super grateful for guidance and thoughts! Thanks!
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I have a young cat who came to me from a bad hoarding situation, and she has IBD. The whole first year she was here she had constant diarrhea - we tried all kinds of novel proteins and even went raw for a while (I have to stay low-carb, too, because of my sugar kitty). She was on and off metronidazole and it never really seemed to help much. She was very thin and it was hard to get her to eat anything. I tried pumpkin puree, Fortiflora, and another brand of probiotics and none of it helped much.

What I found the hardest was having to keep her on a food that seemed to be a problem long enough to be sure it was the problem, rather than the food she ate prior to that, if you see what I mean. I found I had to give any new food at least a weeks' trial, if not longer, to make sure it wasn't still the previous food that was causing problems.With much trial and error I finally found a FF Classic pate that she can eat.

The one thing that helped her more than anything else was putting her on Renew Life probiotics. Since she has been on it, she has had zero diarrhea, except if we run out (I try to always have a second bottle standing by!); the diarrhea will return if she doesn't get the probiotic, but stops again as soon as she resumes it. It is amazing. She has been five months now with essentially no tummy problems! She does take cyproheptadine sometimes, when her appy is off.

FWIW, all four of my cats absolutely LOVED the raw food, and di very well o n it, I just couldn't afford to feed it to all of them as a regular diet. I did mix it with FF for a while, and now they sometimes get Stella & Chewy's mixed with their FF - it has not caused any problems, either.
 
[With much trial and error I finally found a FF Classic pate that she can eat.] Interesting as that is what Fredo eats now and I suppose what is causing the problem.

The one thing that helped her more than anything else was putting her on Renew Life probiotics. Since she has been on it, she has had zero diarrhea, except if we run out (I try to always have a second bottle standing by!); the diarrhea will return if she doesn't get the probiotic, but stops again as soon as she resumes it. It is amazing. She has been five months now with essentially no tummy problems! She does take cyproheptadine sometimes, when her appy is off. I WILL LOOK THIS UP. Thank you.

FWIW, all four of my cats absolutely LOVED the raw food, and di very well o n it, I just couldn't afford to feed it to all of them as a regular diet. I did mix it with FF for a while, and now they sometimes get Stella & Chewy's mixed with their FF - it has not caused any problems, either.[/QUOTE] I admit I'm intimidated by it.
 
My non diabetic is 17 and clinical signs lead to IBD and or lymphoma-I had over 2k in tests with no answers and tried all the usual treatments.
Pred did work but it also put him in heart failure as he got SQ fluids as well....
He is not a good eater and I go thru may cans of food a day-- he will not eat cooked or raw-he will eat stella and chewys as well as other free dried raw but not with water added only crumbled.
what is working 1mg budesonide instead of pred-
for some cats it is a miracle for us it helps some....his poo is still mush but only 2x a day and he is happy and playful.
he gets ondansetron and cypro 2x a day and budesonide 1x a day. He has a heart issue now so he also gets lasix and vetmedin but that was due to the pred/fluids combo.

what did not work for him--metronidizole-pro biotics-florastor-novel protein (he wouldn't eat) we also tried azithromycin.
lots of trial and error!
good luck:bighug:
 
Jayla-n-Drevon, may I ask how you got him eating again before you started the prednisone? Or did you not really? Also did you do the endoscopy? Thanks. this is all very helpful.
 
misskitty007 said:
Interesting as that is what Fredo eats now and I suppose what is causing the problem.
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The only FF she can eat is the Turkey & Giblets pate. The first time I tried it it seemed not to work for her, but I probably didn't try it long enough the first time. I only went back to it in desperation because I needed an affordable food that all my cats could eat, and it was the best one for Squallie. I started the Renew Life and Candy (IBD) started to improve immediately.

When I fed raw, I bought Nature's Variety Raw, very easy to feed and my guys all loved it. Raw is probably the best food, ultimately, for IBD kitties.
When Candy's appetite is off, she gets 2mg Cyproheptadine 2x daily. The Renew life I use is the Ultimate Flora 15 Billion.
 
misskitty007 said:
Jayla-n-Drevon, may I ask how you got him eating again before you started the prednisone? Or did you not really? Also did you do the endoscopy? Thanks. this is all very helpful.
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I make a gel cap cocktail 2x a day with ondansetron 2-3 mg (he is now 14.5 pounds he was 12.5)
If he needs ondnsetron more I give as it only lasts about 6 hours give or take...

Let me give you a little history-
Rico has never had "normal" poo--but it was ok- we have had tests etc with no findings.
He broke a tooth and had a dental last May I believe-this seemed to cause worse water poo and his appetite has always been finicky-
he has weighed 11.5-12.5 most of his life.

I went to a cat specialist and they could tell me what it was NOT--:confused: (so could the cable guy):mad:
the water (and I mean water) poo didnt seem to hurt his bottom or his other activities-but was becoming more frequent-the smell was horrendous (still is)
we tested for EPI (negative)-did a extremely complete blood and poo panel with no results.

He has been on sq for 6 years -not anymore so it is a fine balance wit lasix-
No endoscopy because I refused to sedate him as he did not do well with dental sedation and he is a senior-
After the specialist my regular vet and I agreed clinically it looked like IBD-Lymphoma
Upped the pred dose to 5 mg 2x a day...within 3 days he had normal poo-within 6 days he was in ER not able to breathe-

Cardio agrees IBD or lymphoma and put him on budesonide while weaning off pred.
They gave him 3 weeks and that was at least 3 months ago-
To specifically answer you... He does well on mitrz but I feel it increased heart rate-so we stick with cypro and I am pro active about not waiting until "he needs it" because it is hard to catch-(we have kidneys involved too)
I do have another pro biotic I am going to try --I tried it 1x but I think I gave too much as he puked over and over-
He tolerated the others but did not help the water poo.
he also eats ff turkey and giblets (as well as many other kinds and brands)
sorry to blubber!:rolleyes:
I did just have conversation with a lady whose cat respond amazing to budesonidee ( I personally think it also retains a little fluid)
 
Budesonide helps with IBD and may reduce symptoms with small cell intestinal lymphoma but doe not actually treat it.
I have used metronidazole with budesonide on a few of my cats
 
Squalliesmom said:
What I found the hardest was having to keep her on a food that seemed to be a problem long enough to be sure it was the problem, rather than the food she ate prior to that, if you see what I mean. I found I had to give any new food at least a weeks' trial, if not longer, to make sure it wasn't still the previous food that was causing problems.With much trial and error I finally found a FF Classic pate that she can eat.
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Lucy, can you give more details of the clinical signs you used to determine which food finally agreed with Candy? I'm having terrible trouble with Lúnasa at the moment trying to find a food that she can eat OK. I've tried a couple of new foods but even just adding a small amount of new food to her current brand is making her stools worse and that makes me panic and back off. I desperately need to get her of the new version of Sheba.

Squalliesmom said:
The one thing that helped her more than anything else was putting her on Renew Life probiotics. Since she has been on it, she has had zero diarrhea, except if we run out (I try to always have a second bottle standing by!); the diarrhea will return if she doesn't get the probiotic, but stops again as soon as she resumes it. It is amazing. She has been five months now with essentially no tummy problems!
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Can you post a link to exactly which Renew Life probiotic you're using please, Lucy?


Mogs
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jayla-n-Drevon said:
When it all started it was 2/3 times a day. As time went on it was every time he ate.
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It's a very, very similar story here, Jayla. Thank you so much for the info you've shared here. I am very much leaning toward asking our vet to give Lúnasa a course of steroids and this sort of anecdotal evidence is really helpful.


Mogs
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Critter Mom said:
Lucy, can you give more details of the clinical signs you used to determine which food finally agreed with Candy? I'm having terrible trouble with Lúnasa at the moment trying to find a food that she can eat OK. I've tried a couple of new foods but even just adding a small amount of new food to her current brand is making her stools worse and that makes me panic and back off. I desperately need to get her of the new version of Sheba.


Can you post a link to exactly which Renew Life probiotic you're using please, Lucy?


Mogs
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Mogs, I'm on my way home from the hospital, it's about a two hour drive. I will get you the info as soon as I get home. :):bighug:
 
Critter Mom said:
Lucy, can you give more details of the clinical signs you used to determine which food finally agreed with Candy? I'm having terrible trouble with Lúnasa at the moment trying to find a food that she can eat OK. I've tried a couple of new foods but even just adding a small amount of new food to her current brand is making her stools worse and that makes me panic and back off.
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I can certainly understand your panic!

Mogs, with Candy, since she had constant diarrhea all the time, I did not have any way to judge whether or not a new food made her worse. I just had to leave her on it long enough for the diarrhea from the previous food to run its course and, if the new food didn't help her show any improvement in about ten days to two weeks, try another one. It was a miserable time for both of us. I only knew whether any of the foods were working by seeing if the diarrhea improved at all. One of the foods she did well on was Nature's Variety Limited Ingredient canned food, the duck and lamb varieties, but she would only eat them for a couple of weeks before she decided she no longer liked them (she's a very picky eater, which doesn't help!).

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, Mogs. I will say, the first time I tried her on the food she is eating now, it did not seem to agree with her, but I was mixing it with another food I thought might help her. I learned that it is very important to only try one food at a time. FWIW, Metronidazole did not help her at all. Pumpkin did help a little bit, so did FortiFlora, but the Renew Life helps more than anything else.

https://www.amazon.com/Renew-Life-U...otic/dp/B0042L1S1S/?tag=felinediabetesfdmb-20

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Renew-Life-Ultimate-Flora-Capsules/dp/B00E0NDTP6/?tag=felinediabetesfdmb-20

The only difference I can find between the two is one says it doesn't need refrigeration - I'd probably keep it in the 'fridge, just the same.;)

Please take good care of yourself, Mogs, as well as Lunasa!

:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Hi,
Oddly I have just posted the first time in over a year just a few posts below this ' Catz Fine foods and diabetic pussies & so noticed your post. My cat Alice has either Lymphoma or IBD. I suspect the latter. She is incredibly sensitive to virtually every food & could only tolerate Catzfine lamb & Buffalo (which she isn't keen on) but now also she LOVES their Purrr number 111 also lamb with some kind of oil. We have only just found this. Alice Loves it so I am hoping it will help her regain her weight although it is very low carb so just what you were asking for. Juliex
 
Critter Mom said:
By any chance did he vomit at all if he went more than a few hours between feeds?


Mogs
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if he doesn't eat frequently he will vomit--but he has kidney issues and I over the years found if he eats often he is ok-
He gets ondansetron and cypro 2x a day now... I am cutting back on the cypro because he is getting fat but I think it is partly the budesonide that gives the pot belly too--since I started dosing the ondansetron and cypro as a routine before a problem he has not vomitted. (several months)

He is not super food motivated and would rather puke than eat something he doesn't want....:stop:

I am hoping he will eat enough with just the cypro 1x a day to get a pound off of him. He has always been about 12ish pounds and since the budesonide and new routine he is 14.5:eek:
I do think probably .5 is water retained-
:bighug:
How are you doing Mogs?:bighug:
 
Critter Mom said:
It's a very, very similar story here, Jayla. Thank you so much for the info you've shared here. I am very much leaning toward asking our vet to give Lúnasa a course of steroids and this sort of anecdotal evidence is really helpful.


Mogs
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Mogs
I am just going thru the thread.... So we tried the renew life and that is the pro biotic that I think I gave too much of and he puked and puked.
I know others have great results with it tho--either way the probiotics I give Dre and love them did nothing to help Rico-
If Rico had no kidney issue we would probably be on pred and have normal poo-it really did help and also helped his appetite.

When I was researching what was wrong with him (after the specialists etc) and it looked like the IBD/lymphoma what I was reading said the biggest reason prednisolone doesn't work is starting on too low of a dose and not holding the dose long enough.....
I had tried 2.5 mg 2x a day and it did nothing. 5mg 2x a day and it cleared up in a few days....but because of the fluids etc it is not a option..... I really wish it was because he responded so well and at 17 him feeling good is most important to me--
This was helpful to me...
http://www.cliniciansbrief.com/sites/default/files/attachments/Feline IBD.pdf

http://www.vcahospitals.com/main/pe...health/inflammatory-bowel-disease-in-cats/291
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Squalliesmom said:
FWIW, Candy weighs 6-7 lbs and gets 1/2 capsule of the Renew Life 2x daily - one half mixed into her brekkies, and one half mixed into dins.
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I am not convinced it was the renew life--that was the only thing different but I know many have great results. It is just the only thing that was different:banghead:

I gave Rico 2 size 5 gelcaps which is probably about 1/2 a regular capsule.
He gets 3 morning pills and 2 evening-
I feel so bad for this boy:(
BUT he is happy and bright :cat:
:bighug:
 
A couple of good websites for you: http://www.ibdkitties.net/ which has a good page on probiotics to use and feeding and http://feline-nutrition.org/health/feline-inflammatory-bowel-disease-nature-and-treatment

Remember, raw is what kitties are used to. They are the ones that will eat it. ;) You can start with premanufactured to limit handling. For canned foods that are unique protein and low carb, Ziwipeak has lamb, venison and rabbit, and Nature's Variety duck also works. Koha has some unique protein combos too (kangaroo, guinea fowl, duck, venison) - but I'm not sure of the carb counts. I found raw to be cheaper than canned.

I have two IBD/lymphoma kitties. Neko is on budesonide because of her heart and diabetes. It cleared up what few symptoms she had right away. My other kitty is on prednisilone, which was a wonder to him as he was vomiting all the time. He started on metronazodile but it didn't do the job as well - his colon walls continued to thicken. He had to go the unique protein route, until I did a 6 months chicken/turkey cleanse, and now they are back in the rotation.
 
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