Foods with complex carbs and high BG numbers

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nepenthe

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One thing I have noticed over the past few months is that whenever I feed Chingis some other low-carb foods besides Classic FF, his numbers will rise within a few days (to 300+)

And I am feeding no dry food and only those listed with a carb content of less than 4% - especially Wellness Chicken (with the yellow triangle) and even the Nature's Variety Instinct Raw (chicken medallions)

in both those cases they have stuff like squash, and other complex carbs sources from fruits and veggies. Instinct Raw even has honey listed as an ingredient, despite being listed as less than 2% carbs.

My reason for asking this: my boy has ongoing p-titis and we think that this is what's making him hard to regulate, despite proper dosing and diet. He is losing muscle on his hind legs rather quickly and the vet and I want him to gain some weight. The drawback of the FF is that some days he doesn't eat all of it - and all of it has "fish byproducts, which we are suspecting could be triggering an ongoing irritation to the pancreas. So, ideally we would like to move him to the NV Instinct Raw or Wellness chicken excursively.

Has anyone else noticed that their cat is sensitive to some canned foods - despite being low carb? (<4%)

Also, would it be a good strategy to give him these brands above, even though they seem to raise his BG, and then try to ramp up the dose? (he is on 2U now)
 
Well ... no dietary need for the squash or veggies, so if they bump up the glucose, I'd drop them from rotation.

Cat Info states you may add to the canned or raw with straight meat/poultry/fish, up to 20%. Would help increase the protein content without adding anything spurious. Although cats on average don't see to need fat restriction when dealing with pancreatitis, replaceing some of the fat with protein should be OK.

If you search pancreatitis on the forum, some cats improve with B12 shots.
 
nepenthe said:
Has anyone else noticed that their cat is sensitive to some canned foods - despite being low carb? (<4%)

Yes! I actually noticed this a few months ago and discovered in Mikey's case, it was because the foods were too high in fats (he's a kitten needing higher protein), just like BJM said. I created my own modified version of Dr. Lisa's list and it's worked great for us and I haven't seen any of those weird bounces or swings since. In Mikey's case, he does best on anything over 50% protein/fat ratio.

(FWIW, there are also tabs at the top of the spreadsheet separating out the foods containing seafood, including the Fancy Feast Chicken Feast varieties which all contain fish.)

nepenthe said:
He is losing muscle on his hind legs rather quickly and the vet and I want him to gain some weight.

Higher protein might also help with the muscle loss. If it's caused in part by neuropathy, as BJM mentioned, methyl-b12 also can help (zobaline is the cat version).
 
BJM said:
Well ... no dietary need for the squash or veggies, so if they bump up the glucose, I'd drop them from rotation.

Cat Info states you may add to the canned or raw with straight meat/poultry/fish, up to 20%. Would help increase the protein content without adding anything spurious. Although cats on average don't see to need fat restriction when dealing with pancreatitis, replaceing some of the fat with protein should be OK.

If you search pancreatitis on the forum, some cats improve with B12 shots.

I've read that too about the b-12 shots - I wonder is it cyanocobalamin? I've been giving it to him, but it might not have been enough - like 250mcg per week.

Am going to look into making some homemade raw,as per Lisa's site. (likely use some of those pre-made mixes that add ground bones and minerals)
 
KPassa said:
nepenthe said:
Has anyone else noticed that their cat is sensitive to some canned foods - despite being low carb? (<4%)

Yes! I actually noticed this a few months ago and discovered in Mikey's case, it was because the foods were too high in fats (he's a kitten needing higher protein), just like BJM said. I created my own modified version of Dr. Lisa's list and it's worked great for us and I haven't seen any of those weird bounces or swings since. In Mikey's case, he does best on anything over 50% protein/fat ratio.

(FWIW, there are also tabs at the top of the spreadsheet separating out the foods containing seafood, including the Fancy Feast Chicken Feast varieties which all contain fish.)

nepenthe said:
He is losing muscle on his hind legs rather quickly and the vet and I want him to gain some weight.

Higher protein might also help with the muscle loss. If it's caused in part by neuropathy, as BJM mentioned, methyl-b12 also can help (zobaline is the cat version).

Have people on here seen results with zobaline? (does cyanacobalamin work too?)

That is an interesting chart! One thing I do notice is that he seems to have the best numbers when he is on FF Cod, Sole and Shrimp. It seems to have less fat than the other FF Classic (only bad thing is the fish and high phos content).

Too bad that Merrick's B. G. Chicken is perfect - but he doesn't find it palatable - even when I mix it with other stuff. Some of those brands sound really good - bad thing is that I don't see many of them for sale here (Canada).
 
Methlycobalamin is needed for diabetic neuropathy. I believe the injections for reducing pancreatitis might be cyanocobalamin.
 
My understanding is that the methylcobalamin is the only form of B-12 that will pass into the nerves and help to repair the nerve damage causing the neuropathy.

I used liquid methylcobalamin, by injection. That and getting Winks' BG's under strict control did the trick. He had severe neuropathy for several months before I started fostering him. He could hardly walk more than a couple of steps. Jumping and climbing were beyond his capabilities. Had to stop every few steps. Now, he jumps everywhere. Plays hard, chases the other cats.

One of my other cats used to get the cyanocobalamin for her IBD.
 
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