Feeding Question

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deachemist08

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Greetings FDMB!

A question to the group about my cat Dalton, but first some background.

My girlfriend and I adopted Dalton in July 2011 from a local humane society and have been in love with him ever since. They told us they believed his age was approximately 4 years old but upon inspection from a local experienced vet a few months later for a minor illness he stated that Dalton was likely more around the 8-10 year old range. Now that explains why he's such a docile little guy. The humane society also didn't know that Dalton had diabetes or the conditioned just flared up within a few months of him arriving with us. Regardless, we woke up one morning to a very sick kitty and after several days at the vet to replenish nutrients and fluids we were informed of his diabetic condition (>>300 mg/dL or so). Quite the avalanche of emotions of course finding out this diagnosis but with the help of this site and others we knew we would be able to do whatever was necessary to keep Dalton healthy. Luckily, we are both research scientists finishing up doctorate degrees so the idea of monitoring glucose levels and administering injections was not as daunting to us as it may be to others.

Fortunately, after switching him from a heavily science diet based feeding program (as was originally advised by the shelter) to one following the diabetic guidelines consisting entirely of fancy feast classic portions and occasional treats of locally produced dried lamb liver, we were able to slowly remove him from insulin (Prozinc) treatment while maintaining his levels in the 70-180 mg/dL range! :-D Of course we still keep a close eye on his behavior and regularly test his sugars, but he's been of insulin for months without a recurrence so far.

Now to my question (sorry for the long winded introduction, just so happy to be able to finally help him to feel better). We've recently tried to switch him over to a partially raw diet as documented by Dr. Pierson on her site (catinfo). He has no problem gobbling down the food (he never does) but the 4-6 oz daily allotment for him leaves him acting very aggressive in finding new food as if he feels hungry all the time. Of course, Dalton is always hungry and keeping his weight down has been our constant challenge since we adopted him. Despite the claims that 4-6 oz of this high quality homemade food should satiate his appetite, this just doesn't seem to be the case and we end up switching back to the fancy feast (9 - 12 oz per day) to help him be more calm.

Anyone have advice about very hungry cats after switching to a more natural homemade diet?

Thanks!
 
Now this is just my opinion only, but I don't look at "how much a cat should eat per day", rather, I free feed my cats wet food, so that they aren't hungry and looking for the next meal. And if they finish the food before the next "meal time", then I will put out more for them, just so they don't have issues.

I feed a combination of wet (raw or canned) and freeze dried raw food. The freeze dried raw is treated like one would in putting out a bowl of kibbles, so it's always there if they want it and if the wet is finished.

But like I said, that's just me and it works for my girls.

You may want to do a couple of things.

1) feed more at meal times
2) feed more meals throughout the day/night - timed feeders usually come in handy for this
3) put out the normal allotment of food at meal time AND also put out frozen food - whether it's canned or raw - just add water to it and freeze. It will typically take a couple hours to thaw and by the time he is hungry again, this should be ready for eating (of course some cats, will eat it frozen). ;-)
 
How often are you feeding? I have a very food aggressive cat, and the way I handle him is by feeding him the same amount of food, but in smaller, more frequent portions. Bandit eats 4 times a day. If he's really being annoying and begging for food outside of his meal time, I give him a low carb snack (Currently it's Fancy Feast Appetizers) to tide him over, or half of his next meal (and then only give the next half at meal time).

If you're like me and don't want to stay up late at night or get up early on the weekends, you can freeze the food and put it in an autofeeder.
 
I'm feeding the same as the other posts , dividing it up during the day.

Is liver the only freeze dried treat? I thought it wasn't so good to get liver all the time.

There is an interesting thread over in the Think Tank forum about no carbs vs some carbs and how different cats need different
amounts.
If your cat is hungrier on the lower carbs, that could be a possibility. That you have a cat that needs some. (figuring that out
should be fun)
A more active cat ( seeming younger than he is) is burning more calories.

I've been trying to figure out the no carb vs some carbs issue myself since I was subscribing to the no carbs at all if you can get there
train of thought. But I do find my cats numbers are going up when I give her a no carb food.
So by trial and error , I am trying to see if there is a pattern or not.
 
Thanks for the replies!

Sorry I was away for a few days and couldn't check in to see the responses until now.

I worry about free feeding this guy because he seems to want to eat without an end. I've never really seen him act full and leave food. Of course this could possibly mean there is some underlying metabolic deficiency, but that will obviously take time to figure out and has never been mentioned by the vets before.

We've kept an eye on his glucose levels hourly after feeding and he doesn't see any unusual behavior waiting the 12 hours from when we feed him in the morning until he is fed at night.

In terms of begging, if we're working in the kitchen he will hang around and meow but usually he will give up and take a nap on the cool tile floor. We just learned that we can never leave any food out (even in tupperware) as he will find a way to get to it when he desires.

That's the only dried treat I give him but I would say he only has a few small pieces a week. It's not a common food source for him so hopefully it wont be any issues. We also were feeding him dried chicken breast chunks for treats but haven't been able to find a local supplier for that which doesn't come from China.

In terms of being hungrier on low carbs vs no carbs I suppose that could also be an option. I will have to carefully try to explore that by maybe making blends of raw food (no carbs) with canned low carb food to see what works best. I would argue he is hardly an active cat though :P Getting him to play with a toy for any considerable amount of time is quite a challenge.

Also sounds like I may need to look into buying an autofeeder to give him a snack (or portion his food out) during the day while we are gone since it's not practical for us to come home to feed him.

My other thought was that, he doesnt seem to care how much water I mix in with his food when I prepare it. If it's edible, he will eat it. I am considering adding more water the next time I make a batch of food up which will increase the volume of food without increasing calories which could help him feel more full despite eating the same content. Any thoughts on the possible success of this method?
 
There are a number of things besides diabetes which will make a cat ravenous.
High energy expenditures, such as in a kitten, or extreme cold
Internal parasites - tapeworms, roundworms, etc - especially if he ever goes outside
hyperthyroidism - the body is on full throttle - is he losing weight?

And have you, perchance, got a spreadsheet of his glucose levels you could share, especially a recent curve?
 
The diabetes makes your cat really really hungry until he is regulated.
His body isn't functioning properly so he's not getting the nutrition he needs even when he eats and eats.
That's why he's so hungry. Cells in his body really are starving.
It's usually the excess water drinking, excess peeing and suddenly noticing a sizeable weight drop that makes
any of us realize something is wrong with our kitties.
A diabetic cat that never gets insulin starves to death. There bodies waste away.

So my personal wish is you would find a way to give your guy something during the day. He's really genuinely
hungry.
It's the same as when you go 8 hrs + without eating. And if your blood sugar is fluctuating way up or way down, its
hard to function.

There are USA freeze dried treats now.
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12144669
all but the shrimp are usa. shrimp come from indian ocean.

Petsmart is getting more and more freezedried treats lately. Many of them are over in the dog section which
might at least give you a bigger bag option.
Boiled chicken is also a treat a lot of cats here like.

An autofeeder would be a good thing , I think.
They make a 5 slot and a 2 slot.

Adding water is good for hydration and making the canned food last longer. I doubt it makes him feel fuller.
He would probably feel fuller if you can find a way to give him some food in between.
Smaller meals during the day help with that.
 
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