'Dry' Babies?

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My kitty is on some dry food the vet strongly recommended (Royal Canin GI). I'm not giving as much as vet said to - but I've had to increase the insulin (lantus) to counteract the higher numbers from the dry food. For those who allow 'dry', how much extra insulin is involved in regulating your cat coz of eating dry? I am not getting at all close to regulating Little Boy.
 
Is there a reason you vet urges this on you other than diabetes? Any other health problems w/ Little Boy? Food Allergies? Unless the cat absolutely refuses to eat wet, we try to eliminate all dry. Time after time new members come on and are amazed at the difference once thy switch to dry.
 
Ann -- Little Boy has severe food allergies. They've tried a lot of other food options.

Marilyn: Like with most things, the amount of insulin for a cat who is getting dried food varies with the cat. There isn't a formula or any means of knowing how much insulin will be involved. I'd suggest increasing the dose in increments of 0.25u just they way you would when going with the protocol Raise the dose every 3 days/6 cycles as you need to.
 
Sienne, Ann, I could keep him on the rabbit n chicken for another phase. I could give less dry. (vet wants us to trial him on it for 4 weeks) Yes the food allergies are a concern - he's got scabs on him - but it's not unmanageable. First time ever he's got six lesions on his face but over all he's not tearing at himself in distress. Vet seems to think that fundamentally he's compromised by his allergies and this is upsetting his entire system - causing a GI inflammatory response and upping his numbers. It's a theory. I just see higher numbers. However the dry isn't a total disaster. He seems satisfied for longer - comes looking for food less often and his numbers are not as bad at AMPS and PMPs as one might expect. They don't go down during the day - they often go up during the day... higher rather than lower. :sad: But think he's staying under 300 so won't raise the dose again unless numbers change.

There is always a sense that I could manage him better. @-)
 
There is no wet food version?

My cat Henry is on six weeks of d/d duck and green pea kibble to rule out allergies also. He will not touch anything but kibble. He was at the shelter for 13 months (turned in when he was 8 months). He won't even lap tuna juice. But I understand he has to be on this for six weeks to get the inflammatory response down and then we will try something new.
 
Marilyn:

LB's numbers don't really go up during the day. You're seeing fairly flat cycles. However, you have GOT to test at pre-shot and get at least a before bed test in the PM cycle. You may want to increase the insulin dose to make sure LB is below renal threshold.

In addition, your SS is not showing any data on the US tab past April. Please set up a new SS. It's very hard to give you any appropriate feedback without being able to look at the actual numbers.
 
just sending hopes that the dry will help Little Boy's allergies
...and that you will quickly find the right dose for him.

celi & binks
 
::::LB's numbers don't really go up during the day. You're seeing fairly flat cycles. However, you have GOT to test at pre-shot and get at least a before bed test in the PM cycle. You may want to increase the insulin dose to make sure LB is below renal threshold.

Sienne, Testing at PMPs is an 'issue test' as I've usually tested him late afternoon and he's been grazing thru the afternoon. I know he's going to be up. I'm not sure that it's a useful number. Is it that you think it might be high?

Renal is a worrying me. Drinking this morning from the pool. :o Haven't seen that in years.

I cannot get the wet alternative for Royal Canin GI in OZ.

::::In addition, your SS is not showing any data on the US tab past April. Please set up a new SS. It's very hard to give you any appropriate feedback without being able to look at the actual numbers.

We did it and no. 2 doesnt' work either. DH (a retired academic in the area of on-line learning) gets so cross with the SS. We had a blitz on it the last time it came up and he devoted time to it, got in a terrible mood and achieved zilch.

I really think the American's are a clever bunch... can't they do a quick conversion? I am very comfortable reading the US numbers and understanding their significance...
 
Marilyn:

Everyone here, not just those of us in the US, is clever. There are a number of us who open almost every spreadsheet in order to make sure a cat is not in danger. If you want help, we need to be able to have the information in a format that is conducive to providing you that help. Whenever the decision was made about the format of the spreadsheets, it is the convention to use the US format. I do not have the time to convert your SS and the SS of anyone else who wants to use a different format into the US system. You are asking everyone who wants to view your spreadsheet to sit and do multiplications on every number. IMHO, that's a bit excessive. There are members from Canada, the Middle East, Asia, Europe, and from Australia here who use the World template and do not have the problem. Perhaps the cleverness needs to be on your side -- the one user who is having the problem -- to get this sorted out. Please post on the Tech Support forum and someone who does have the technical skill can help you.
 
::: IMHO, that's a bit excessive.

Sienne,

I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. I want the help but I don't want DH upset by trying to fix the SS. It gets him all riled up. nailbite_smile

Fear not, the nagging will start in earnest tomorrow!

the PMPs bg test was interesting indeed. Wouldn't have picked that up without Sienne. Have no idea what it means - he ate kangaroo and the GI dry. He was very hungry - frantic to eat. In the past when he appeared regulated his number would go up if he was hungry and down when he ate. :?:

marilyn
 
Don't worry about asking DH. We'll help you. I understand having a snarky DH. I will PM Randi and Max who were an amazing help when I joined FDMB and couldn't get the world template to work.

Please try and do everything that Randi recommends on your own. Non technical people can do it with handholding. You just enter the number in the "world" side of the spreadsheet - page 2 and it automatically converts to US numbers and automatically publishes. But you can't put text in the world side or the number won't convert - put the text in the US side.
 
PS all you have to do is have a cheap calculator on hand also. Just take your reading and multiply it by 18. You can manually enter this number in the spreadsheet on the US page.

I've sent Randi a message on Facebook and asked her to pop in and see if she can help fix up your spreadsheet.
 
You know I have become a firm believer in the ECID theory since Do Lou has had dry out 24/7 for over 8 months and it just does not make a bit of diff with him I started it as a experiment in a effort to stop his big drops and for him I actually think he has been more balanced with his BGs since I allowed it he still eats a lot of canned and seems to prefer canned now but the dry ( RC DS) is always out best to you with your cat on this and hope the new food helps him
 
Hi Marilyn
I got Karrie's message about your problems with the spreadsheet. It looks like you are using the original world one that did not get updated past a certain date by the creator.

I created a newer one but I do know that there have been many problems in accessing it through
the tech links and several people have come up with different fixes for it.
Since I am the owner of one of them I was able to email the original to another member, share it with her and
she was then able to use it.

I think your choices are to use the regular American version and do your own caculations as was suggested so that
you can get the proper colour coding or use another version if the world one.
If you want to pm your email address over to me I could try and help you out with the one that I made and help you get through it.
Randi
 
Have you tried using the World/US template from this thread: http://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50130 ?

It's the second one. Download it your computer and then upload it to your Google Docs. I know the US template in that thread works just fine.

Getting a SS template from Google's Template Gallery (as the original sticky instructs and provides a link to) does not work anymore for some reason.
 
Ok, we are going to try to do this now. I think we take a look @ squeem3 method first. I don't want to have to manually enter numbers in teh US side too (converting etc). I am aiming for the stars. I want automatic converstion and colour coded on both US n WORLD. That's not too much to expect is is? Now where did I put the key to DH's cage? :lol:
 
Hi guys, Have made a new SS which is up (need to press on icon of world to access it) Have yet to delete old one which is still up when pressing on Little Boy (so new one press on icon next to Private Message icon). The new one is working on both US and World in colour but refuses to transfer the numbers to US after 24 Sept 2011. Have asked on Tech Support but no response to this request.

Meanwhile LB is eating dry and loving it but it's continuing to push up his numbers. After he eats dry with not much raw he's back looking for more dry - like an addict, so quickly - it's so obvious it's a short term hit food.

Numbers are still crud! :sad:
 
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