Diet-controlled Numbers have been good...Now what?
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RubenTheCat
Member Since 2013
im not an expert so can not advise, but can say ruben is doing the same thing as thurmond. which is good :mrgreen:
i have been testing at ambg and then +3, but thats for ruben, thurmond can be different, wait for an expert b/c ecid.
wouldn't it be nice to celebrate otj together.
sending vines and positive energy your way.
most important advise i can give is enjoy him. they feed off our energy.
i have been testing at ambg and then +3, but thats for ruben, thurmond can be different, wait for an expert b/c ecid.
wouldn't it be nice to celebrate otj together.
sending vines and positive energy your way.
most important advise i can give is enjoy him. they feed off our energy.
BJM
Member Since 2010
You need 2 weeks of numbers between 40 - 120 without insulin to be off the juice. You're very close.
Are you feeding in 2 main meals, leaving the food out for grazing, or feeding in small meals? If your cat grazes or eats mini-meals, it spreads out the intake, and thus may minimize any food-related spike in glucose.
Are you feeding in 2 main meals, leaving the food out for grazing, or feeding in small meals? If your cat grazes or eats mini-meals, it spreads out the intake, and thus may minimize any food-related spike in glucose.
MommaOfMuse
Member Since 2010
:RAHCAT Go Thurman Go! :RAHCAT
Now for testing with a kitty headed to the Falls...lets see if I remember its been awhile since Maxwell built his condo at the Falls...But I believe that I tested him at his normal preshots for about a month after he was officially OTJ, then about once a week for another month or two and now I test him when I think about it or if he seems off in anyway, or if there is a major upheavel in the household like adding a new member, losing a member or if we change brands of food etc. The nice thing about once you learn to test is that it is always with you if they just don't seem right for any reason.
Before he was officially OTJ I tested preshots (when they normally would have happened) so I would get a reading right before feeding, then would feed, test again about 1-2 hours afterwards to see where he went with food on board and then again in 3-4 hours after eating to see how much of his own insulin he was producing. But hopefully someone that has done it more recently than I have will weigh in...its been over 2 years since Maxwell and I were packing our bags for the falls.
Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
Now for testing with a kitty headed to the Falls...lets see if I remember its been awhile since Maxwell built his condo at the Falls...But I believe that I tested him at his normal preshots for about a month after he was officially OTJ, then about once a week for another month or two and now I test him when I think about it or if he seems off in anyway, or if there is a major upheavel in the household like adding a new member, losing a member or if we change brands of food etc. The nice thing about once you learn to test is that it is always with you if they just don't seem right for any reason.
Before he was officially OTJ I tested preshots (when they normally would have happened) so I would get a reading right before feeding, then would feed, test again about 1-2 hours afterwards to see where he went with food on board and then again in 3-4 hours after eating to see how much of his own insulin he was producing. But hopefully someone that has done it more recently than I have will weigh in...its been over 2 years since Maxwell and I were packing our bags for the falls.
Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
Elizabeth and Bertie
Member Since 2010
MommaOfMuse said:
Yep, ditto what Mel said, with extra -
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C'mon, Thurmond!
MommaOfMuse
Member Since 2010
Well then you can do a food test, test before feeding, feed, then test shortly after feeding to see how much he goes up, then test again a couple hours after he eats to see if his pancreas is working and pulling the numbers down all on its own...If it does, then just random spot checks for the next 14 days and if he stays in normal numbers you have been blessed with one of those lucky furkids that never need insulin just the right diet to be in remission and be diet controlled.
Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
Well, to me, the numbers are a wee on the high side to say he needs no insulin; it looks like he may be struggling. Here's a visual for you...
Imagine going for a walk with someone who is a speed walker; they are no strollers.
You, on the other hand, are just a normal kind of walker who's in no big rush.
This other person needs to walk fast - it's just their normal speed, so you are trying to keep up and also carry on a conversation...
Well, for the first mile or so, you may be OK with it, but then, at some point, you start to feel the strain on your body and you're not doing as well with the breathing to be able to keep up the conversation, so you start to do more listening so you can TRY to still keep up.
The longer the walk goes, the more of a strain it's getting to you, and at some point, you may need to just stop and take in some big gulps of air to try and 'right' yourself again.
I think the food has helped your cat (how long ago did you switch foods and from what to what), so that you don't need to give lots of insulin, but the numbers you are getting on the LC look like your cat is struggling on his walk and maybe a bit of insulin would help him. There are some cats who have normal numbers around the 40s, like one of mine, and others have a higher normal maybe around the 80s-100s, but Thurmond's are almost all over the 120 mark, and with his eating very little, you could expect the numbers to be higher if he was eating more.
One other thing.... how's the neuropathy going? Are you giving any B12 for it?
Since Thurmand may not need to be on insulin for long, you might want to think about getting a single pen from someone or some place. Go with Lantus or Levemir and forget about the NPH.... you get what you pay for..... buy some cheap stuff and you won't be doing Thurmond any favors.
You were smart to fix the food issue first because now you can see his true numbers on low carb foods.
ETA: the food test is a good idea but if Thurmond isn't big on the food yet, it will be tough to tell from any food test. Your ss is showing his numbers are dipping around mid cycle or so, BUT he's looking like he may need a bit of a hand for a short time.
Imagine going for a walk with someone who is a speed walker; they are no strollers.
You, on the other hand, are just a normal kind of walker who's in no big rush.
This other person needs to walk fast - it's just their normal speed, so you are trying to keep up and also carry on a conversation...
Well, for the first mile or so, you may be OK with it, but then, at some point, you start to feel the strain on your body and you're not doing as well with the breathing to be able to keep up the conversation, so you start to do more listening so you can TRY to still keep up.
The longer the walk goes, the more of a strain it's getting to you, and at some point, you may need to just stop and take in some big gulps of air to try and 'right' yourself again.
I think the food has helped your cat (how long ago did you switch foods and from what to what), so that you don't need to give lots of insulin, but the numbers you are getting on the LC look like your cat is struggling on his walk and maybe a bit of insulin would help him. There are some cats who have normal numbers around the 40s, like one of mine, and others have a higher normal maybe around the 80s-100s, but Thurmond's are almost all over the 120 mark, and with his eating very little, you could expect the numbers to be higher if he was eating more.
One other thing.... how's the neuropathy going? Are you giving any B12 for it?
Since Thurmand may not need to be on insulin for long, you might want to think about getting a single pen from someone or some place. Go with Lantus or Levemir and forget about the NPH.... you get what you pay for..... buy some cheap stuff and you won't be doing Thurmond any favors.
You were smart to fix the food issue first because now you can see his true numbers on low carb foods.
ETA: the food test is a good idea but if Thurmond isn't big on the food yet, it will be tough to tell from any food test. Your ss is showing his numbers are dipping around mid cycle or so, BUT he's looking like he may need a bit of a hand for a short time.
Before the diagnosis, he was eating eating dry food. I switched to Friskies pates within a couple of days of the diagnosis, and then switched to strictly lower carb stuff (Fancy feast and friskies <5% carbs) on Friday.
He should get his first B12 injection tomorrow afternoon. It has improved a little with the diet changes though.
He should get his first B12 injection tomorrow afternoon. It has improved a little with the diet changes though.
Wendy&Tiggy(GA)
Member Since 2011
His numbers are looking not too bad. You need 14 days of normal numbers to be considered in remission as BJM said . He might be struggling though as Blue said so more frequent mini meals may help. Keep testing a couple of times a day too.
If his numbers start to creep up you will likely need to put him on insulin to give him a hand.
Keep us updated!
Wendy
If his numbers start to creep up you will likely need to put him on insulin to give him a hand.
Keep us updated!
Wendy
rhiannon and shadow (GA)
Member Since 2012
My suggestion would be to start taking notes for yourself ... on what you feed him... and how he reacts... up or down...
different proteins can get different reactions and it would be good for you to find out what keeps him lower and what raises his bg.
get a test at feeding time... and then re-check 3-4 hours later to see if his numbers went down... that will show you his pancreas is working
as it should.
different proteins can get different reactions and it would be good for you to find out what keeps him lower and what raises his bg.
get a test at feeding time... and then re-check 3-4 hours later to see if his numbers went down... that will show you his pancreas is working
as it should.
Dr Schrodinger
Member Since 2012
Thurmond's numbers are looking brilliant!!
He a kitty with a clever pancreas, it seems.
My Milo is in a a similar place at the moment. I test at shot time, then I sometimes test mid cycle (just to ease my mind if not to actively monitor him), and I record his demeanour, energy level & eating behaviour (and what he's eating) in my spreadsheet.
Go Thurmond, go! bcatrun_gif
He a kitty with a clever pancreas, it seems.
My Milo is in a a similar place at the moment. I test at shot time, then I sometimes test mid cycle (just to ease my mind if not to actively monitor him), and I record his demeanour, energy level & eating behaviour (and what he's eating) in my spreadsheet.
Go Thurmond, go! bcatrun_gif
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