Confused on food labels

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jorda1re

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Hi all,

I am new on this board and to reading food labels for my sugarcat, Spider. I have been reading old posts on this topic and I am still confused. I am looking at the label for Blue Wilderness Chicken- canned food. (Spider really likes Blue Wilderness, in all flavors) I guess my biggest confusion is how the label can say "95% chicken," yet I'm being told by the awesome people on this board that Blue's is not considered low carb. I know that the labels aren't regulated, but it seems like a pretty bold statement to say that it's 95% chicken and have it not be high in protein.

My DH and will be working with the vet on Spider's new diet (we've already agreed that Fancy Feast Classic will be part of it!) but the specialist that dealt with Spider's diabetes before recommended Blue Wilderness canned food (but not regular Blue's food). I am trying to get this all straightened out in my head so we make smart choices!

Thanks for helping me understand these labels better so I know what to look for!

Becky
 
The label is weight based.

We go by percentage of calories from protein, fat, and carbohydrates. That info isn't on the label; you have to get it from the manufacturer. Dr Lisa Pierson has collected this, done the calculations, and compiled a document containg the results on her web site Cat Info.

For background info on the calculations and some much earlier food lists, check Binky's Page.
 
jorda1re said:
Hi all,

I am new on this board and to reading food labels for my sugarcat, Spider. I have been reading old posts on this topic and I am still confused. I am looking at the label for Blue Wilderness Chicken- canned food. (Spider really likes Blue Wilderness, in all flavors) I guess my biggest confusion is how the label can say "95% chicken," yet I'm being told by the awesome people on this board that Blue's is not considered low carb. I know that the labels aren't regulated, but it seems like a pretty bold statement to say that it's 95% chicken and have it not be high in protein.

Thanks for helping me understand these labels better so I know what to look for!

Becky

Becky, I just checked the ingredient list and it looks like that food has potato in it, which is probably driving up the carb content. Raed the labels and look for the addition of anything starchy--potato, sweet potato, peas, tapioca, etc. I also looked for it on the list but gave up--i can't figure out any sort of organization on that list and it was making me crazy to search for it!
 
The list at Cat Info is organised by manufacturer, then by product line. Within product line, I believe it may be alphabetical.
 
BLUE BUFFALO refused to provide typical nutrient analysis to Dr. Lisa Pierson when she was compiling her list at catinfo.org. Because of that, she has this to say.
A customer service representative provided carbohydrate values
over the phone. Note that, despite being “grain free”, all of the
canned foods are high in carbohydrates, including the ‘Wilderness
Wild Delights’. The only diets that appear to be low in
carbohydrates are the ‘Wilderness’ pate varieties - Kitten, Chicken,
Turkey, Salmon, and Duck. However, I will not use or recommend
products from any company that refuses to provide ‘typical
nutrient analysis’ data for their diets.
 
Hi Becky! Welcome to the Food Label Reader's Club!

Other than using the lists (which are GREAT!), one suggestion I might add is to buy a small magnifying glass from WalMart...Reading labels can be horribly frustrating when the print is so tiny you can't see what's in the food!

I can spend hours in Petco or Petsmart just reading labels...and you see so many of them say "Grain Free" and then be loaded with starches like potatoes!

Good luck to you!
 
Hey there

Are you planning to home test? A change of food can bring Spiders blood sugar (and thus insulin needs) down within days.. so i would be looking into home testing if I were you.. want more info on it?

WEndy
 
Yes, we plan to home test. We've actually ordered the glucose meter kit and expect it here next week. Our vet has asked us not to make too many adjustments to Spider's food until we are home testing because she increased his insulin and does not want to run the risk of him going hypo on us. Because we've already cut his dry food completely from his diet, he's now eating a combination of his Science Diet, Blue's Wilderness and Fancy Feast Classic. He has a glucose curve scheduled for a week from today. The plan is to make food adjustments when we can monitor him more closely (if he'll allow us to home test. Our fingers are crossed!)
 
When you're ready to home test, the following may be helpful:

Here are some glucose reference ranges used for decision making using glucometers. Human glucometer numbers are given first. Numbers in parentheses are for non-US meters. Numbers in curly braces are estimates for an AlphaTrak.

< 40 mg/dL (2.2 mmol/L) {< 70 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- Treat as if HYPO if on insulin
- At nadir (lowest point between shots) in a long term diabetic (more than a year), may earn a reduction.

< 50 mg/dL (2.8 mmol/L) {< 80 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- If before nadir, steer with food, ie, give modest amounts of medium carb food to keep from going below 50 (2.8).
- At nadir, often indicates dose reduction is earned.

50 - 130 mg/dL (2.8 - 7.2 mmol/L) {80 - 160 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- On insulin - great control when following a tight regulation protocol.
- Off insulin - normal numbers.
(May even go as low as the upper 30s (1.7 mmol/L){60s for an AlphaTrak}; if not on insulin, this can be safe.

> 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {> 180 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- At nadir, indicates a dose increase may be needed when following a tight regulation protocol.

200 mg/dL (11.1 mmol/L) {230 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- no shot level for beginners; may slowly reduce to 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {180 mg/dL} for long-acting insulins (Lantus, Levemir, and ProZinc) as data collection shows it is safe

180 - 280 mg/dL (10 - 15.6 mmol/L) {may be 210 - 310 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- Any time - The renal threshold (depending on data source and cat's renal function) where glucose spills into the urine.
- Test for ketones, glucose is too high.

>= 280 mg/dL (15.6 mmol/L) {may be >=310 mf/dL for an AlphaTrak}, if for most of the cycle between shots
- Uncontrolled diabetes and thus at risk for diabetic ketoacidosis and hepatic lipidosis
- Follow your insulin protocol for dose adjustments
- Test for ketones; if more than a trace level of ketones, go to vet ASAP.
 
Rather than trying to read the label on the cans themselves, which is near impossible, look up the company online and read the label online. It's much easier to see!
 
We've actually ordered the glucose meter kit and expect it here next week

Oh we all wished you'd replied sooner about your interest in home testing!! I don't know where you ordered your blood glucose meter from, but most of us just run to WalMart and pick up a Relion Prime or Confirm meter and a bunch of test strips! The human meters are regulated by the government to be accurate enough for people, so they're accurate enough for our cats!

The meters themselves cost about $15, and a package of 50 of the Relion Prime strips is $9....Relion Confirm (requires a smaller amount of blood) strips are about $39 for 50.

Most vets only know of the Alphatrak meter....the only thing "wrong" with this meter is the cost of the test strips is outrageous! A lot of us test multiple times per day, and at over $1 per strip, you can see how that would run into a lot of money very quickly. You can do your "curves" at home by testing every 2 hours through an entire cycle (so 6 tests) and save that money you'd be paying the vet too. Doing curves at the vet isn't ideal...stress from being packed into a carrier, driven to the vet and just the general craziness of a vets office can increase the readings 100 points or more. Then the vet bases dosage on those numbers, and when you go home, BG returns to non-stressed levels and you're giving too much.

If you DO get the Alphatrak and decide to use it as your meter, please make sure to add that you're using the Alphatrak to your signature line so we know. It reads about 30 points higher than human meters, so if we see a number under 80 on an Alpha, it's the same as a number under 50 on ours..and means your cat needs a reduction in insulin...as well as some immediate attention to make sure to get the numbers back up a little.

Our vet has asked us not to make too many adjustments to Spider's food until we are home testing because she increased his insulin and does not want to run the risk of him going hypo on us.

This just seems outright bizarre to me. If your vet recognizes that adjusting to a low carb diet will bring the BG numbers down, why would they increase the insulin? Seems the safer thing to do is hold whatever dose you were at and see how the food change affects Spiders numbers, NOT increase the dose when you already "understand" that the food change can bring the BG levels down! At this point, I'm afraid for Spider since you're not home testing YET, and your vet has increased insulin while you're reducing carbs in his diet :? :shock:

Last bit of advice..check out the links to the Cat Food charts that were posted earlier. We recommend feeding foods less than 10% carbs, and Science Diet isn't on that list...and we've already discussed the Blue Wilderness foods...those we just don't know about (which is too bad...they're not terribly expensive and look pretty good, but without knowing more about them, they could be 2% carb...they could be 22%)
BJM said:
The label is weight based.

We go by percentage of calories from protein, fat, and carbohydrates. That info isn't on the label; you have to get it from the manufacturer. Dr Lisa Pierson has collected this, done the calculations, and compiled a document containg the results on her web site Cat Info.

For background info on the calculations and some much earlier food lists, check Binky's Page.

(if he'll allow us to home test. Our fingers are crossed!

We ALL worry about this one!! But the vast majority of our kitties adapt very well to being tested at home, and lots of them are so into the routine, they remind US it's time to test!! We have all kinds of advice on learning how to home test, as well as how to work with "difficult" cats to get them to accept it. At this point, if you're going to wait for the vet to do a curve, and wait for the meter, you might as well be working on setting up the routine.
1. Pick the place in your home you're going to want to test/shoot. (maybe your bed, a rug or pillow on the floor, on a counter or wherever is best for you and Spider to be comfortable

2. Arm yourself with lots of treats....a lot of members use freeze dried chicken or boil their own, or get some from a deli...whatever your cat LOVES, but is also low carb

3. Take Spider to the spot and just rub his ears. Whether for a split second or an hour, make sure he gets a treat for letting you fool with his ears. Some cats love having their ears rubbed...others don't want them touched, so getting them used to this and having them start to put together that letting you fool with theirs means they get a Yummy yummy treat, usually makes the whole thing much more successful

Best of luck to you and Spider...I REALLY am concerned about your vets choice to increase insulin while knowing you're decreasing carbs though, so you might want to watch Spider VERY carefully for signs of a hypo and have a hypo kit ready!
How to treat Hypos..They can kill
 
Chris & China said:
We've actually ordered the glucose meter kit and expect it here next week

Oh we all wished you'd replied sooner about your interest in home testing!! I don't know where you ordered your blood glucose meter from, but most of us just run to WalMart and pick up a Relion Prime or Confirm meter and a bunch of test strips! The human meters are regulated by the government to be accurate enough for people, so they're accurate enough for our cats!

Our vet has asked us not to make too many adjustments to Spider's food until we are home testing because she increased his insulin and does not want to run the risk of him going hypo on us.

This just seems outright bizarre to me. If your vet recognizes that adjusting to a low carb diet will bring the BG numbers down, why would they increase the insulin? Seems the safer thing to do is hold whatever dose you were at and see how the food change affects Spiders numbers, NOT increase the dose when you already "understand" that the food change can bring the BG levels down! At this point, I'm afraid for Spider since you're not home testing YET, and your vet has increased insulin while you're reducing carbs in his diet :? :shock:

Last bit of advice..check out the links to the Cat Food charts that were posted earlier. We recommend feeding foods less than 10% carbs, and Science Diet isn't on that list...and we've already discussed the Blue Wilderness foods...those we just don't know about (which is too bad...they're not terribly expensive and look pretty good, but without knowing more about them, they could be 2% carb...they could be 22%)
BJM said:
The label is weight based.

We go by percentage of calories from protein, fat, and carbohydrates. That info isn't on the label; you have to get it from the manufacturer. Dr Lisa Pierson has collected this, done the calculations, and compiled a document containg the results on her web site Cat Info.

Hi Chris! Thanks for your post. I actually had another thread going regarding the meters and got some suggestions there. We ordered an Arkray GlucoCard 01 kit from ADW and were happy with the price and the reviews on it.

Our vet is new to working with Lantus and is working with the specialist who treated Spider when he went hypo earlier this year. The reason we are still feeding Spider the Science Diet and Wilderness is that we are weaning him onto the Fancy Feast (he's kind of obsessed with his Wilderness food, not crazy about FF and I think he is really missing the dry food). Because of his picky eating habits, they decided that we needed to keep his sugar down with the insulin while we transition his food. (His BG curve was better after cutting his dry food, but still high. When we tried to switch almost totally to FF, he kind of quit eating. They decided that this ran the risk of him going too low if he was getting insulin and not eating). Once we start home testing, we'll be weaning him more and more to the FF and cutting the carbs down. Hopefully, when we are doing curves at home, we will be able to cut his insulin. I hope that makes sense- it made sense when it was described to me, but I'm not sure I explained it well.

Since Spider's insulin was increased, we've seen a marked improvement in his behavior. In fact, I'm not sure he's been this active and playful since before he was originally diagnosed! I think the current combo of food and insulin seems to be working for him, but like I said, once we are home testing, we'll be working with the vet to bring that insulin down, decrease his higher carb food and get him eating FF Classic exclusively!
 
I should mention that I may not have been clear- Spider's not been eating any dry food since he was first diagnosed a month ago. So, that change was made before his increase in insulin.
 
OK...that makes a little more sense :-D

China loved the FF pates...for about 2 weeks, then acted like I was trying to poison her....that's when we really hit Dr. Pierson's food charts and started doing a LOT of shopping! So far, she seems to like the Natural Choice best, but she gets bored with that too, so I end up opening 5 cans a day to find one that's "acceptable"...but I have 2 other non-sugar kitties that reap the benefit of her pickyness! They get all the leftovers

This sugar dance can be really frustrating, especially when they want to get fussy about their fuds! All 3 of mine had been free-fed dry for many years, but I was lucky that they thought that this wet stuff was really something special and loved it...but of course they DO have to be cats and keep us guessing...It's in their contract!! :lol:

Every once in awhile I still get a look that says "Hey Mom...where's the crunch?!"...lol

Glad to hear he's feeling better!! Amazing isn't it? I thought China was just acting like an "old cat"...since we've got her numbers down, she's acting much more like I remember her from years ago :-D
 
Chris & China said:
OK...that makes a little more sense :-D

China loved the FF pates...for about 2 weeks, then acted like I was trying to poison her....that's when we really hit Dr. Pierson's food charts and started doing a LOT of shopping! So far, she seems to like the Natural Choice best, but she gets bored with that too, so I end up opening 5 cans a day to find one that's "acceptable"...but I have 2 other non-sugar kitties that reap the benefit of her pickyness! They get all the leftovers

This sugar dance can be really frustrating, especially when they want to get fussy about their fuds! All 3 of mine had been free-fed dry for many years, but I was lucky that they thought that this wet stuff was really something special and loved it...but of course they DO have to be cats and keep us guessing...It's in their contract!! :lol:

Every once in awhile I still get a look that says "Hey Mom...where's the crunch?!"...lol

Glad to hear he's feeling better!! Amazing isn't it? I thought China was just acting like an "old cat"...since we've got her numbers down, she's acting much more like I remember her from years ago :-D

Glad I could try to clear it up! Now if I could just figure out how to explain it to Spider so he knows I am not just torturing him...

Spider has always loved wet food- he went straight for that first- but I think he is missing having the food out whenever he wants it. Per suggestions on the board, I've been leaving more wet food out for him, but if it's out too long, he won't touch it. You are right- being fussy is part of being a cat! I've also opened multiple cans to find what he's hungry for that day. I'm thankful that there's a lot to choose from on the FF line, so maybe he won't get too tired of the same things. We've been mixing in FF with the other canned food and this morning seems to be the first time that he didn't seem to try and "eat around" the FF. There's some food left in his bowl and for once, it doesn't look to all be FF! Makes me happy that we might have finally started to get him eating it AND may have found a happy amount that's not leaving him starving!!!

For quite some time before Spider started to show symptoms of being really sick last winter, my husband would comment often that it seemed like he was getting old. Now, I think he was already developing the diabetes and we just mistook all his symptoms. I couldn't believe his energy last night! Definitely gives me a positive outlook for the future with him.
 
I updated the glucose reference ranges posted previously to include mmol/L and AlphaTrak estimates.
 
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