Jenna & Kitsu (GA)
Member Since 2018
Hey everyone. I've been following these forums for the last couple of months after my kitty (Kitsu) was diagnosed as diabetic in early February of 2018. I've gotten to the point where I feel as though searching other people's issues and resolutions is no longer helping me with the problem I'm having, so I thought I'd post for help.
Bear with me, as this post is going to be a bit long, but I feel as though I should share a bit of backstory on what's going on with Kitsu that may provide some insight as to what her issue might be.
Backstory: Kitsu is almost 15 years old (she turns 15 in July). She is a nearly 12-pound ball of fluff! I raised her from kitten to about 4 years old, then I went to college and lived in the dorms, which didn't allow pets. She became my dad's cat after that. After I graduated college and moved into my own place, Dad and I agreed that she would be better off with him. He lived in a very rural area and she was an outdoor cat. I didn't want to bring her to a city where she would either be cooped up inside or outside near dangerous high-speed roads. So he kept her.
Up until November of 2017, she lived with my dad and ate only Deli Cat dry food (I know, I know...). My dad, unfortunately, passed away very unexpectedly and Kitsu's care once again fell into my hands and she came to live with me and be an indoor-only cat. The first thing I did was I switched her food to Natural Balance green pea and chicken dry cat food. This was at the end of November. Because she's a bit old, I took her in for a preventative blood test at the beginning of December 2017 and she came back fine on pretty much everything except blood glucose, which was a little high (137), but not bad considering she was stressed out because of the vet. No biggie.
Towards the end of January 2018, I noticed she was drinking an insane amount of water and urinating frequently. I took her to the vet in early February and her BG reading on the vet's glucometer was 550. The vet tested again to be sure it was correct and it came back again around that same number. They went ahead and took a blood sample to run at the lab to be sure it was correct, but basically I was called back in a few days later to be shown how to give her insulin (Vetsulin) injections, because the lab results came back at around 350 BG and she was officially diagnosed. This was February 12, 2018.
Now, here's what I'm actually posting about...
Since her diagnosis, I have put her on wet food at the advice of pretty much everyone in this forum. The problem? She's addicted to dry food, like many cats on this forum, too. I've followed many different posts here and tried so many things, but I'm having a lot of difficulty getting her to eat consistently.
Here are the foods I have tried so far:
Friskies Pate (all flavors), Fancy Feast Classic Pate (all flavors), Blue Buffalo Wilderness Pate (chicken, salmon, duck, turkey), Nulo MedalSeries Pate (chicken & herring, trout & salmon, turkey & chicken, beef & lamb), and Iams Purrfect Delights (Winner Winner with Chicken Dinner).
Most of the time, when I put her food in the bowl, she will lick the juices up and leave the rest behind. About 5-10% of the time, she will actually bite into the food instead of just licking it. Her favorite of the foods used to be FF Classic ocean whitefish and tuna, but now she will NOT touch it, even just to lick the juices out of it. She hated all of the Nulos except for the beef and lamb. She hated all of the Blue Buffalo Wilderness ones except salmon. Her current favorite is Iams Winner Winner with Chicken Dinner, but even now she has stopped eating it, too.
What I've tried so far with the foods and her reactions to each:
Warming the food up - no interest at all.
Chilling the food in the fridge - no interest at all.
Sprinkling parmesan cheese on top of the food - licks the top of the food until the cheese sets in, then stops.
Mixing parmesan cheese into the food - no interest at all. Will not eat it again even if the cheese is sprinkled on top again.
Sprinkling bonito flakes on top of the food - licks the bonito flakes out of the food, then leaves the food alone.
Mixing bonito flakes into the food - eats a slight bit of the food, aiming for the bonito flakes, but then gives up after a small bite. Will not eat it again if fresh bonito is re-applied to the food.
Adding a little water to the food - 70% of the time, this will get her to lick at the food again, but not eat it. Licks it until the moisture is gone.
Adding a fair amount of water to the food - no interest when it's watered down.
Pureeing the food with a fair amount of water - licks up a little of it, then loses interest quickly.
Changing the food bowl width to avoid 'whisker fatigue' - no change.
Moving the food bowl in case her current location feels 'unsafe' for her - no change.
Changing the material of the food bowl (from plastic to fine china) - no change.
Elevating the food bowl slightly, so she doesn't have to squat down to eat - no change.
Applying food to a clean tile surface, to avoid any issues a bowl might have - no change.
Using a plate instead of a bowl - no change.
Mixing a few pieces of dry food into the wet food - she will dig at the dry food pieces, but once they become submerged into the wet food, she gives up and leaves.
Crumbling a bit of dry food on top of the wet food - she will eat a small bite, then leave.
Putting freeze-dried salmon treats in her food - she will eat the treats out, but if they get mixed in or submerged into the wet food, she will lose interest.
"Waiting it out" by refusing to change her food/give her a new helping of food for up to 14 hours - she will not budge and just lays next to her food bowl staring at me.
Mixing two types of wet food together - no interest.
Pretending to eat the food (she follows me around when I have my own food) so she gauges an interest - no fooling her, still not interested.
Cleaning her bowl before each helping - no interest.
Leaving remnants of old food before adding a new helping - no interest.
Talking to her while she eats - no interest.
Leaving her alone while she eats - no interest.
Petting her while she eats - no interest.
Sitting silently while she eats - no interest.
Spoon-feeding her - no interest.
I've tried so many things, I think that might be it, but I'll edit the list if I remember any others. The one thing that consistently seems to work (although not very well) is stirring her food up a little bit. 60% of the time, she will eat a little bit more once I've stirred it up, but other times she flat out refuses to eat it.
Another thing to note is that when she first got to my house, she had an issue with sneezing frequently. I'm thinking this pertains to some indoor allergies that neither of us knew she had, since she was an outdoor cat before. Then in March, she started getting really watery eyes and sneezed more, with clear discharge from her nose. I keep my place really clean, because I also suffer from allergies, so I just tried giving her some Zyrtec (cut a pill in half, 5mg once per day). This didn't seem to help the sneezing, but it did give her relief from watery eyes and... an appetite! She scarfed down her wet food (not excessively, but enough for her daily caloric intake) and I was so happy! I continued giving her Zyrtec for 2 weeks and she was doing great with eating, but then she plateaued and went back to barely touching her food. I tried Zyrtec for a few more days after that, but since there were no real results, I took her off of it.
About a week later, I called my vet and asked for an appetite stimulant. They gave me six 4mg tablets of Cyproheptadine and told me to give her 2mg twice a day. Day one was a success similar to Zyrtec - she scarfed her food down and was a happy camper. Day two is when she no longer had interest in her food again. I continued to give her the tablets every 12 hours for the 6 days and it didn't seem to help, so now she's on no medications. But the plus side is, she hasn't been sneezing as much. I wondered if maybe her appetite was suppressed because she wasn't able to smell from all the sneezing, but I can tell she is able to smell because her little nose wrinkles up and down whenever I have food nearby (whether it's my food or hers).
I'm creating this post now because I left out her current favorite food (Iams Winner Winner with Chicken Dinner) the last 3 days and she progressively eats less and less each day. Today she didn't even touch the food between 8am - 7pm. At 7pm, I threw the food out, washed her dish, and gave her FF classic ocean whitefish and tuna. She eagerly ran over to it, sniffed it, and left. Not even so much as a lick.
What is going on with her? Why will she eat sometimes and most other times go on hunger strike? How can I get her to consistently eat? Even when I find a food she likes, if she eats it more than 3 times, she starts to hate it. Even as I type this, she stares at me waiting for me to feed her something else. And it doesn't matter if I rotate the food around to give her 'variety', because as soon as I give her something she's had before, she instantly turns her nose up and walks off. And I know if I give her dry food, she'll gobble it up in no time. I know that if I give her some boiled chicken, she will eat it with no complaint. To me, this indicates that she is not nauseated, because she's willing to eat other things. In fact, one day I couldn't get her to eat ANY wet food at all and rather than give her dry, I boiled some chicken, shredded it, and gave it to her. She ate it up in an instant. The same situation happened one day last week and I didn't have any meat to give her, so I had to cave in and give her dry food, which made her drink and urinate three times more than she usually does.
I just need help getting her to eat the wet food. The only suggestion I haven't taken from this forum is to use Forti-Flora on her food, because I'm worried that I'll spend the $30 on it and she won't touch it. I've sunken so much money into different foods for her and she just refuses to eat them, and she refuses to eat them even with cheese/bonito sprinkled on top, so why would Forti-Flora be any different?
Sorry for the super long post, just wanted to include as much detail as possible by giving a bit of backstory and explanations on foods and what I've tried to get her to eat them. Probably me venting a little, too, as this has taken a big toll on me for the last 2 (almost 3) months... I just want her to eat without all the coaxing I have to do each day. I literally spend an hour or two each day just trying to get her to eat (and yes, I've done days where I didn't spend any time just in case I was overwhelming her).
Thanks to anyone who can offer some suggestions for me.
Bear with me, as this post is going to be a bit long, but I feel as though I should share a bit of backstory on what's going on with Kitsu that may provide some insight as to what her issue might be.
Backstory: Kitsu is almost 15 years old (she turns 15 in July). She is a nearly 12-pound ball of fluff! I raised her from kitten to about 4 years old, then I went to college and lived in the dorms, which didn't allow pets. She became my dad's cat after that. After I graduated college and moved into my own place, Dad and I agreed that she would be better off with him. He lived in a very rural area and she was an outdoor cat. I didn't want to bring her to a city where she would either be cooped up inside or outside near dangerous high-speed roads. So he kept her.
Up until November of 2017, she lived with my dad and ate only Deli Cat dry food (I know, I know...). My dad, unfortunately, passed away very unexpectedly and Kitsu's care once again fell into my hands and she came to live with me and be an indoor-only cat. The first thing I did was I switched her food to Natural Balance green pea and chicken dry cat food. This was at the end of November. Because she's a bit old, I took her in for a preventative blood test at the beginning of December 2017 and she came back fine on pretty much everything except blood glucose, which was a little high (137), but not bad considering she was stressed out because of the vet. No biggie.
Towards the end of January 2018, I noticed she was drinking an insane amount of water and urinating frequently. I took her to the vet in early February and her BG reading on the vet's glucometer was 550. The vet tested again to be sure it was correct and it came back again around that same number. They went ahead and took a blood sample to run at the lab to be sure it was correct, but basically I was called back in a few days later to be shown how to give her insulin (Vetsulin) injections, because the lab results came back at around 350 BG and she was officially diagnosed. This was February 12, 2018.
Now, here's what I'm actually posting about...
Since her diagnosis, I have put her on wet food at the advice of pretty much everyone in this forum. The problem? She's addicted to dry food, like many cats on this forum, too. I've followed many different posts here and tried so many things, but I'm having a lot of difficulty getting her to eat consistently.
Here are the foods I have tried so far:
Friskies Pate (all flavors), Fancy Feast Classic Pate (all flavors), Blue Buffalo Wilderness Pate (chicken, salmon, duck, turkey), Nulo MedalSeries Pate (chicken & herring, trout & salmon, turkey & chicken, beef & lamb), and Iams Purrfect Delights (Winner Winner with Chicken Dinner).
Most of the time, when I put her food in the bowl, she will lick the juices up and leave the rest behind. About 5-10% of the time, she will actually bite into the food instead of just licking it. Her favorite of the foods used to be FF Classic ocean whitefish and tuna, but now she will NOT touch it, even just to lick the juices out of it. She hated all of the Nulos except for the beef and lamb. She hated all of the Blue Buffalo Wilderness ones except salmon. Her current favorite is Iams Winner Winner with Chicken Dinner, but even now she has stopped eating it, too.
What I've tried so far with the foods and her reactions to each:
Warming the food up - no interest at all.
Chilling the food in the fridge - no interest at all.
Sprinkling parmesan cheese on top of the food - licks the top of the food until the cheese sets in, then stops.
Mixing parmesan cheese into the food - no interest at all. Will not eat it again even if the cheese is sprinkled on top again.
Sprinkling bonito flakes on top of the food - licks the bonito flakes out of the food, then leaves the food alone.
Mixing bonito flakes into the food - eats a slight bit of the food, aiming for the bonito flakes, but then gives up after a small bite. Will not eat it again if fresh bonito is re-applied to the food.
Adding a little water to the food - 70% of the time, this will get her to lick at the food again, but not eat it. Licks it until the moisture is gone.
Adding a fair amount of water to the food - no interest when it's watered down.
Pureeing the food with a fair amount of water - licks up a little of it, then loses interest quickly.
Changing the food bowl width to avoid 'whisker fatigue' - no change.
Moving the food bowl in case her current location feels 'unsafe' for her - no change.
Changing the material of the food bowl (from plastic to fine china) - no change.
Elevating the food bowl slightly, so she doesn't have to squat down to eat - no change.
Applying food to a clean tile surface, to avoid any issues a bowl might have - no change.
Using a plate instead of a bowl - no change.
Mixing a few pieces of dry food into the wet food - she will dig at the dry food pieces, but once they become submerged into the wet food, she gives up and leaves.
Crumbling a bit of dry food on top of the wet food - she will eat a small bite, then leave.
Putting freeze-dried salmon treats in her food - she will eat the treats out, but if they get mixed in or submerged into the wet food, she will lose interest.
"Waiting it out" by refusing to change her food/give her a new helping of food for up to 14 hours - she will not budge and just lays next to her food bowl staring at me.
Mixing two types of wet food together - no interest.
Pretending to eat the food (she follows me around when I have my own food) so she gauges an interest - no fooling her, still not interested.
Cleaning her bowl before each helping - no interest.
Leaving remnants of old food before adding a new helping - no interest.
Talking to her while she eats - no interest.
Leaving her alone while she eats - no interest.
Petting her while she eats - no interest.
Sitting silently while she eats - no interest.
Spoon-feeding her - no interest.
I've tried so many things, I think that might be it, but I'll edit the list if I remember any others. The one thing that consistently seems to work (although not very well) is stirring her food up a little bit. 60% of the time, she will eat a little bit more once I've stirred it up, but other times she flat out refuses to eat it.
Another thing to note is that when she first got to my house, she had an issue with sneezing frequently. I'm thinking this pertains to some indoor allergies that neither of us knew she had, since she was an outdoor cat before. Then in March, she started getting really watery eyes and sneezed more, with clear discharge from her nose. I keep my place really clean, because I also suffer from allergies, so I just tried giving her some Zyrtec (cut a pill in half, 5mg once per day). This didn't seem to help the sneezing, but it did give her relief from watery eyes and... an appetite! She scarfed down her wet food (not excessively, but enough for her daily caloric intake) and I was so happy! I continued giving her Zyrtec for 2 weeks and she was doing great with eating, but then she plateaued and went back to barely touching her food. I tried Zyrtec for a few more days after that, but since there were no real results, I took her off of it.
About a week later, I called my vet and asked for an appetite stimulant. They gave me six 4mg tablets of Cyproheptadine and told me to give her 2mg twice a day. Day one was a success similar to Zyrtec - she scarfed her food down and was a happy camper. Day two is when she no longer had interest in her food again. I continued to give her the tablets every 12 hours for the 6 days and it didn't seem to help, so now she's on no medications. But the plus side is, she hasn't been sneezing as much. I wondered if maybe her appetite was suppressed because she wasn't able to smell from all the sneezing, but I can tell she is able to smell because her little nose wrinkles up and down whenever I have food nearby (whether it's my food or hers).
I'm creating this post now because I left out her current favorite food (Iams Winner Winner with Chicken Dinner) the last 3 days and she progressively eats less and less each day. Today she didn't even touch the food between 8am - 7pm. At 7pm, I threw the food out, washed her dish, and gave her FF classic ocean whitefish and tuna. She eagerly ran over to it, sniffed it, and left. Not even so much as a lick.
What is going on with her? Why will she eat sometimes and most other times go on hunger strike? How can I get her to consistently eat? Even when I find a food she likes, if she eats it more than 3 times, she starts to hate it. Even as I type this, she stares at me waiting for me to feed her something else. And it doesn't matter if I rotate the food around to give her 'variety', because as soon as I give her something she's had before, she instantly turns her nose up and walks off. And I know if I give her dry food, she'll gobble it up in no time. I know that if I give her some boiled chicken, she will eat it with no complaint. To me, this indicates that she is not nauseated, because she's willing to eat other things. In fact, one day I couldn't get her to eat ANY wet food at all and rather than give her dry, I boiled some chicken, shredded it, and gave it to her. She ate it up in an instant. The same situation happened one day last week and I didn't have any meat to give her, so I had to cave in and give her dry food, which made her drink and urinate three times more than she usually does.
I just need help getting her to eat the wet food. The only suggestion I haven't taken from this forum is to use Forti-Flora on her food, because I'm worried that I'll spend the $30 on it and she won't touch it. I've sunken so much money into different foods for her and she just refuses to eat them, and she refuses to eat them even with cheese/bonito sprinkled on top, so why would Forti-Flora be any different?
Sorry for the super long post, just wanted to include as much detail as possible by giving a bit of backstory and explanations on foods and what I've tried to get her to eat them. Probably me venting a little, too, as this has taken a big toll on me for the last 2 (almost 3) months... I just want her to eat without all the coaxing I have to do each day. I literally spend an hour or two each day just trying to get her to eat (and yes, I've done days where I didn't spend any time just in case I was overwhelming her).
Thanks to anyone who can offer some suggestions for me.
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