Can Sheba canned Replace Fancy Feast Classic?

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theng&miko

theng&miko

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Hello everyone on this forum. After 9 years my MIKO pass away.
I have to come back to this forum because of my OGGY 10 years old male cat diagnosis diabetes.
I'm from Malaysia, i cannot find Fancy Feast Classic and Sheba pate.
I find many canned food but not at the list Dr. Pierson.
I found Sheba Succulent Chicken Breast canned food.
But not sure is high carb or not.
Can please help me check is Sheba Succulent Chicken Breast canned can be replace Fancy Feast Classic.
Thank you so much
 
Hi.

I forgot to comment this a.m. when I saw this post.

That specific food isn't on our food chart. In fact, the only food listed on our food chart are in the US, I believe.

I'm not sure if we have other members in Malaysia or not.

I'll tag some other members that may know how you can find out the info you are searching for. @Bron and Sheba (GA) @Bandit's Mom @Wendy&Neko

I have had to contact food manufacturers in the past to find out the caloric content. That may be what you have to do. I would recommend reporting back here with the info and letting someone take a look at it. Often times the information they provide needs to be further broken down to get the true caloric content.
 
theng&miko said:
Hello everyone on this forum. After 9 years my MIKO pass away.
I have to come back to this forum because of my OGGY 10 years old male cat diagnosis diabetes.
I'm from Malaysia, i cannot find Fancy Feast Classic and Sheba pate.
I find many canned food but not at the list Dr. Pierson.
I found Sheba Succulent Chicken Breast canned food.
But not sure is high carb or not.
Can please help me check is Sheba Succulent Chicken Breast canned can be replace Fancy Feast Classic.
Thank you so much
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Sorry for the loss of your Miko, Theng.
If this is this one, I found a list of ingredients that lists "modified starch", so it's very possible that it is too high in carbs.
https://www.sheba.com.sg/products/main-meal/sheba-deluxe-succulent-chicken-breast
Fancy Feast does not contain starch or grains. I am not sure what else you can find there, hopefully there is somebody who will be able to help you. Can you find raw food?
 
Thank you so much @Basic's Mom
I'm back to New member . I dont know how to upload photo. Last 9 years ago, i upload photo into photobucket, copy link and paste on this forum.
But now connot. Can please let me know how to upload photo in my every reply? And Can please let me know where to download SPREADSHEET.
I have upload Miko SPREADSHEET before but now i back to beginner need to learn again.

Thanks a lot to all member :)

Thank you so much @cecile & bella
I saw your link photo but Malaysia Sheba no Deluxe.
No raw food in my area. I saw my Sheba canned also have Chicken Breast, Thickening Agents(Modified Starch, Guar Gum)
other have many brand like Cindy Recipe, Snappy Tom ......but i think all should be high carb.
Sorry i still finding how to upload photo into this forum :)
Thank you again for your reply.

Thank you so much @Bandit's Mom
Cat Food Nutrition Calculator so helpful can try to find canned food to calculate :D
The list of low carb foods in the UK.
I saw Carnilove , Natural Instinct and Ziwi Peak got selling in Malaysia :D :D
Let me check online and buy for my Oggy Try.
Thank you again for your reply.

Thank you so much @Red & Rover (GA)
Thank you for 2 links you send me.
Thanks again for your reply. Is really help me a lot :D


I using the Calculator check Zealandia Venison Wet Matter Carbohydrates is 6.09%
All Zealandia canned cat got selling in Malaysia. Can all member please help me check is Zealandia really is low card canned?
If yes i think i will choose to buy this Zealandia venison.

https://www.zealandiapets.com/products/zealandia-venison-pate-wet-cat-food
https://www.cindysrecipe.com/
Thank you so so much for all member for help.
 
Here are the steps on how to set up your spreadsheet. https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/how-to-create-a-spreadsheet.241706/

I've also calculated the Zealandia for you. I will attach the information on how to do this yourself too. I have no problem helping you though. I checked my calculations a few times and another calculator that populates the info for you. I checked a few different times because the caloric content listed on label states 1% carbs. Using the formula from the as fed values I get:
Protein: 33%
Fat: 53%
Carbs: 14%

https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/calculating-calories-from-carbohydrates.204051/#post-2533071

Online calculator that populates this info
https://balance.it/convert

I usually check both to make sure I'm getting the same figures. While I am getting the same figures on this, I could be doing it wrong. I am doubting myself because I don't typically see carbs listed on a label. I'd like to think the label is factual, but I am not getting 1%, I am getting 14 carbs%.

I use my cell instead of laptop or computer. I can't upload pictures from my cell. I've read other people telling individuals to just drag the photo into the body of the message, but because I've never done it myself, I cant promise it will work.

Welcome back to the forum. I'm sorry for your Miko's passing and Oggy's diagnosis.

Let me know if you have anymore questions or need help with anything else.
 
Thank you @Basic's Mom for your reply.
from your link i also not understand how to count.
I check below 3 link that have Protein,Fat Fiber and Moisture no Ash??
Can you please help me check below 3 link, may i know is Zealandia Salmon is the lower crab?
Sorry for trouble you. Thanks again :)

Zealandia Venison Pâté Wet Cat Food
https://www.zealandiapets.com/colle.../products/zealandia-venison-pate-wet-cat-food

Crude Protien: 11.4%
Crude Fat : 3.0%
Crude Fiber :1.5%
Moisture : 78%

Calorie Created
963 kcal ME/kg
178 kcal ME/kg

Zealandia Chicken Pâté Wet Cat Food
https://www.zealandiapets.com/colle.../products/zealandia-chicken-pate-wet-cat-food

Crude Protien: 9.5%
Crude Fat : 5.0%
Crude Fiber :1.5%
Moisture : 78%

Calorie Created
963 kcal ME/kg
178 kcal ME/kg

Zealandia Salmon Pâté Wet Cat Food
https://www.zealandiapets.com/colle...s/products/zealandia-salmon-pate-wet-cat-food
Crude Protien: 7.9%
Crude Fat : 8.0%
Crude Fiber :1.5%
Moisture : 78%

Calorie Created
1038 kcal ME/kg
192 kcal ME/kg



 
Just find out my canned stock have Natural Balance Kitten to Adults Salmon Formula.
I saw from my canned add Cranberries, Guar Gum, iron proteinete, copper sulfate, copper proteinate, manganese sulfate, manganase proteinate, salt and so many more that is not same as amazon selling the same label but not same ingredients. Im not sure this is really low in carb? but i check on https://balance.it/convert it is low in carb 7.53 % ME Carb


Ultra Salmon Formula Canned Cat Food
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Balance-Canned-Salmon-Recipe/dp/B0018CI95W?th=1
Crude Protien: 10.0%
Crude Fat : 6.0%
Crude Fiber :1.5%
Moisture : 78%


Fussie Cat got selling in Malaysia as the convert is low crab. is reallY low crab?
https://www.fussiecat.my/blacklabel/tuna-&-chicken
Crude Protein (min) 12.0%
Crude Fat (min) 1.4%
Crude Fat (max) 2.5%
Crude Fiber (max) 0.1%
Moisture (max) 84.5%
Ash (max) 1.5%

Thank you all of u for help me check is this brand selling in my area is low crab canned?
 
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Venison
Protein 33%
Fat 53%
Carb 14%
Calories 96.22
*calculator and formula answers matched

Chicken
Protein 36%
Fat 42%
Carb 26%
Calories 101.5 calories
*calculator protein matches but the fat is 47% and carbs are 17%, which is a significant difference for the carbs.

Zealandia salmon
Protein 36%
Fat 42%
Carb 26%
Calories 101.5 calories
*calculator protein matches but the fat is 47% and carbs are 17% which is a significant difference for the carbs.

Ultra Salmon
Protein 34.4%
Fat 50.12%
Carb 15.4%
Calories 101.75 calories
*calculator and formula answers matched

Sorry to hear about the ingredient changes. You do have to be very careful and thoroughly read labels. Glad you caught it.

You are welcome. Hope this helps. I'm not sure why some are matching up with the calculator and some aren't.
 
Thank you so much @Basic's Mom for all canned info. I thought Zealandia will be low <10 crab. I'm worry now coz no canned is suitable for my sugar baby. 9years ago I can find Evo canned in my hometown. But now all brand also high carb. Now i steam chicken breast and Royal Canin diabetes dry food. I really want to find wet food that can replace diabetic dry food.
 
Each can of the Zealandia states that it is under 10% on the can. It confuses me too. Like stated above, I could've done something wrong with my formulas. I'm not sure how the calculator is wrong though. I also don't understand how only some of my answers match the calculator.

What was the info from the Sheba? I can check that too.

Does your cat like the chicken breast? If so, maybe find a premix that you can add to make it nutritionally complete. If you can have the mix sent to you, you wouldn't have to worry about the canned food or carbs.
 
https://www.foodfurlife.com/shipping-rates--policies.html#/

This is what I'm slowly introducing my cats to. Since my cat was diagnosed, I have struggled with good food at a good quanity for a decent price. I havent been satisfied. Someone here told me about this product. My male likes it, my female doesn't. They also offer international shipping. This product has everything you need nutrition wise, you simply add this powder to meat and add the correct amount of water.
 
@Marje and Gracie

When you have a free moment, can you let me know if my caloric count is right? Something tells me it isn't, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

The post you put together are the formulas I'm using. There's a calculator that usually always has the same answers I do. I use it to double check my work. Some of my answers matched and others didn't. Something tells me this food is low carb though.

I used the link for the food to get the as fed values off the label.

Thank you
 
Thank you so much @Basic's Mom. Really trouble you to help me check all info. I also don't know how to use the calculator.
Yes my boy love only steam chicken breast. Your link really help me . I will look see how can shipping to my hometown. Really thanks for your help.
Below is Sheba canned :

Protein 10%
Fat 0.2%
Fiber 0.5%
Moisture 90%
Chicken Breast, Thickening Agent (modified starch, Guar Gum)

Carnilove Super Premium cat 100g
Protein 10.8%
Fat 6.8%
Fiber 0.4%
Moisture 79%
Ash 2.3%
 
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It is no trouble to help you. You are welcome.

This was the lowest carb food so far, if done correctly. Checked Sheba's website to see how the nutrient analysis is done on this food. I don't see it specified, which makes me a little leary about the information that is on the label. My calculations and the calculator matched.

Protein: 94%
Fat: 4%
Carb: ‐2.44%
Calories: 36.88

I'm not sure how much Oggy weighs, but that is a small amount of calories. Keep that in mind.
 
While staring at my formula for the Sheba, I realized what they have done. Those figures above are incorrect. How the information is reported is incorrect. They have taken the protein and fat macro % and subtracted that from 100. That is not how this is to be done.

Disregard my numbers for the Sheba. I'm afraid I wouldn't know how to find the correct answers from the information they provided on the label.
 
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Bandit's Mom said:
I used this carb calculator and got a a negative carb%!
https://scheyderweb.com/cats/catfood.html

Here's the list of low carb foods in the UK. Maybe some of these are available in Singapore as well?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J5JpMe6TDXrHq_aTl9hUtHy6Gs9oRBqlz4nPGKxtySA/pubhtml

Sorry to hear about Miko! :bighug:
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That calculator is very ineffective and inaccurate. It uses Guaranteed Analysis instead of as-feds or DMB. It’s best to use the information I posted on how to calculate % calories from carbs.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
That calculator is very ineffective and inaccurate. It uses Guaranteed Analysis instead of as-feds or DMB. It’s best to use the information I posted on how to calculate % calories from carbs.
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I am using the formula you've provided. I only use the calculator that is different from the Scheyder one. I included the link of the calculator I use to double check my work. It usually has the same answers I get from using your formula.

@theng&miko
Sorry. I don't know of anyone else to ask about this. Using the formula provided from this forum that I included in a message above, those are the numbers I'm getting.
 
Basic's Mom said:
@Marje and Gracie

When you have a free moment, can you let me know if my caloric count is right? Something tells me it isn't, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

The post you put together are the formulas I'm using. There's a calculator that usually always has the same answers I do. I use it to double check my work. Some of my answers matched and others didn't. Something tells me this food is low carb though.

I used the link for the food to get the as fed values off the label.

Thank you
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Without the as-feds and DMB, you aren’t going to get correct info and even double checking it with the calculator you use, is hit or miss. Also, I can’t think of a single company that lists as-feds or DMB on their labels as AAFCO requires GA information.
 
I'm not sure how it matches my answers often times using the formula you've provided. Noted though.

Can you check one of the ones I did? The label on these foods says 1% carbs, but I not getting that. It is a struggle for them to find food. If those are in fact 1%, I'd like for them to know this.
 
This is Malaysia. Do the food they are getting there use AAFCO standards? Also, the labels state as-fed. Is that incorrect reporting on label?
 
Basic's Mom said:
I'm not sure how it matches my answers often times using the formula you've provided. Noted though.

Can you check one of the ones I did? The label on these foods says 1% carbs, but I not getting that. It is a struggle for them to find food. If those are in fact 1%, I'd like for them to know this.
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Under their GA for this food, they have:

Balanced & Complete Nutrition for Adult Cats

Crude Protein (Min)(as fed) 9.0%

Crude Fat (Min) (as fed) 6.0%

Carbohydrates (as fed) 1.00%

Phosphorus (dry matter basis) 1.60%

Total calories calculated:
9 x 3.5 = 31.5
6 x 8.5 = 51
1 x 3.5 = 3.5
TOTAL: 31.5 + 51 + 3.5 = 86

If we assume those are valid numbers (some companies will list their min and max as “as-fed” and while I’m not sure if that is truly accurate since they really should have a separate page that just shows “as-feds” or DMB), when using the above numbers from their webpage, I get that this food is:
Protein: 31.5/86 = 36.6%
Fat: 51/86 = 59.3%
Carbs: 3.5/86 = 4.1%

Using the “as-feds” given for each food, I have calculated:
Chicken (% from calories)
Protein: 42.1%
Fat: 53.9%

Salmon (% from calories)
Protein: 40.8%
Fat: 55.1%
Carbs: 4.1%

Questions?
 
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I was using the method of determining (subtracting from moisture) the carbs as if it wasn't included on the can. Took that number and multiplied it. That's the difference.

Under the assumption that these numbers on the cans are true, all of this food would be low carb then.

@theng&miko
Wanted you to see this. Instead of 1% like the can states, the venison is 4.1%. Each of these cans may not be 1%. They are all low carb.
 
Basic's Mom said:
I was using the method of determining (subtracting from moisture) the carbs as if it wasn't included on the can. Took that number and multiplied it. That's the difference.

Under the assumption that these numbers on the cans are true, all of this food would be low carb then.

@theng&miko
Wanted you to see this. Instead of 1% like the can states, the venison is 4.1%. Each of these cans may not be 1%. They are all low carb.
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Right but you can’t do that with GA values that are listed on the can. Fortunately, this company had what it says are “as-feds” on their website under GA. I’m a little leery of their data because if you use what they state are “as-feds” under GA on the website, they don’t add up to 100%. If you added the appropriate ones together except carbs and subtracted from 100, you’d get the carbs on as-fed basis as 4.2% instead of what they list. :banghead:

Basic's Mom said:
Sorry. I forgot to thank you for taking the time out to do this for us. Much appreciated.
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You’re welcome. :)
 
Sorry for late reply :)
Thank you so so much @Basic's Mom and @ Marje and Gracie for all info of the canned calculation.

My Oggy (male) is 4.7kg.
Thank u for sending me link Zealandia all canned is guarantee list low carb.
Yesterday is Sunday i go to find canned food, i buy Zealandia chicken and salmon and goat. But venison no stock.
First i try chicken zealandia half canned 1/2 am and 1/2 pm. Oggy love it.
May i know is ok to give half canned am & pm ?
Oggy last time weight is 5.7kg now diabetic drop to 4.7kg in 1 month more.
Start know he pee a lot on 1 Dec 2023 until now. Vet dr. said need to monitor first no need insulin .

still waiting blood work come out this week.

I also adding supplement into canned NHV , nature immuno, mellit, milk thistle.
10min later NHV yucca & tripsy.
2 step is NHV teach me.

Before supplement is >17 - 19 mmol.

After supplement today 8th Jan 2024 result.
7.47am before food 13.4mmol.
12.10pm after food 4hour later 15.7mmol.

Im so happy that NHV selling in my hometown. Hope this supplement will help to down more mmol. And really hope to keep kidney and other organ healthy.
Thanks again all member for help me check all information.
Really appreciated. :)




https://www.nhvnaturalpetproducts.com/milk-thistle-for-liver-disease-in-dogs
 
I don't know how I missed these notifications.

No. I don't think 1 can is enough for Oggy. The one that Marje worked up was 86 calories. He weighs 4.7 kg/10.36lbs. That isn't even 1% of his body weight. I would up his food intake especially if he's lost that much weight. Two of those cans would be more feasible for him. You may want to talk to your vet about if he wants him eating more than 2.

Oggy's bg that you listed are definitely not in the normal range. By supplement, what are you referring to?

@Marje and Gracie No need to respond. Post is getting lengthy. I appreciate you helping us. I am confused about the formula directions now though from your comment above. I will circle back to you at some other point for clarification if I can't try to figure out what you mean vs the instructions.
Thanks again.
 
theng&miko said:
Sorry for late reply :)
Thank you so so much @Basic's Mom and @ Marje and Gracie for all info of the canned calculation.

My Oggy (male) is 4.7kg.
Thank u for sending me link Zealandia all canned is guarantee list low carb.
Yesterday is Sunday i go to find canned food, i buy Zealandia chicken and salmon and goat. But venison no stock.
First i try chicken zealandia half canned 1/2 am and 1/2 pm. Oggy love it.
May i know is ok to give half canned am & pm ?
Oggy last time weight is 5.7kg now diabetic drop to 4.7kg in 1 month more.
Start know he pee a lot on 1 Dec 2023 until now. Vet dr. said need to monitor first no need insulin .

still waiting blood work come out this week.

I also adding supplement into canned NHV , nature immuno, mellit, milk thistle.
10min later NHV yucca & tripsy.
2 step is NHV teach me.

Before supplement is >17 - 19 mmol.

After supplement today 8th Jan 2024 result.
7.47am before food 13.4mmol.
12.10pm after food 4hour later 15.7mmol.

Im so happy that NHV selling in my hometown. Hope this supplement will help to down more mmol. And really hope to keep kidney and other organ healthy.
Thanks again all member for help me check all information.
Really appreciated. :)
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You’re welcome!

A cat at Oggy’s weight should eat about 200 calories/day if he is an indoor cat. If he’s an out door cat or super active, he would need more. The best way to determine if 200 calories is enough is to weigh him, feed it for a week, weigh him again. We know he needs to gain weight so when he gets to his “ideal” weight, you might find 200 calories is too much. But just weight him weekly to get his weight stable at his ideal weight and adjust his food either way to keep him there.

Basic's Mom said:
I am confused about the formula directions now though from your comment above. I will circle back to you at some other point for clarification if I can't try to figure out what you mean vs the instructions.
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Please send me a PM letting me know where I’ve confused you.:)
 
Thank you so so much @Basic's Mom and @ Marje and Gracie .
Sorry for trouble you all to help me check so many information

@Basic's Mom
First day he really love Zealandia canned . He eat all half canned. After next day he already boring chicken flavor. So i open goat for him.
Today goat also cannot finish half can am. I try to force him eat all , Oggy angry face at me :) . Today his pee already improve from one day 8 -10 times. to Now 2 times pee am.
NHV really help a lot. This supplement i give to my female cat KAKA for her UTI last 2 years ago. Is really have improvement so i decide to give Oggy try .
This supplement is super expensive. I save all money for them hope they keep healthy.
Still waiting blood result come out this fewday.

@Marje and Gracie
Oggy is indoor cat. Thank you for your information. i will monitor Oggy weight weekly. Thank you so much for your reminder:D

Thank you so so much for you all, this post is full reply :D I
i will update to NEW post for Oggy update.
Thanks again for all lovely and helpful member ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
 
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