Buddy's SS up and going 7th part about dosing

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I have been in and out today, when I was in earlier I took a reading and I gave him some FF chunky ( which I am beginning to wonder about). When I came back this last time his reading was 331. I have 2 reli-on meters, I went and took a reading with the other 1 it was 295, I went back to the meter I had been using and it was 277. This was with in 2 -3 span, what is his blood sugar. How much canned food do you feed a day, or does that matter. Do I need to count calories, if we need to stay below 10 carbs I wonder if that means our cats can eat 2 1/2 cans each meal if the canned food has 4 carbs.
Those readings are all within the 20% allowed variance for meters. As far as food goes, you can feed generously if Buddy needs to gain weight. The carb level is more important as an influence on BG and more so in some cats than others. Try not to worry about individual numbers and focus on patterns over time instead.
 
You are gradually shifting colors, Teresa :). Next colour to cut, Pink! I think you're on a good track! I keep trying to tell Maury I'm tired of pink and reds :facepalm:
 
Thank you, Both of you tomorrow Buddy will start on 3.4u and we will see how that goes. I found out last Saturday my deceased husband's brother had died. My husband name was Danny, his brother's name was David, David had diabetes. Several years ago he lost a leg at the knee, I did not know at that time he also had several heart attacks. Some time in 2016 David lost another leg, then I find out he had a massive heart attack and died. I know the first leg was lost because of uncontrolled diabetes and I am pretty sure that is what caused all of David's problems. This has caused me to be on a mission to get Buddy's diabetes under control.
 
Thank you, Both of you tomorrow Buddy will start on 3.4u and we will see how that goes. I found out last Saturday my deceased husband's brother had died. My husband name was Danny, his brother's name was David, David had diabetes. Several years ago he lost a leg at the knee, I did not know at that time he also had several heart attacks. Some time in 2016 David lost another leg, then I find out he had a massive heart attack and died. I know the first leg was lost because of uncontrolled diabetes and I am pretty sure that is what caused all of David's problems. This has caused me to be on a mission to get Buddy's diabetes under control.
One thing that might give you a bit of hope is that in general kitties don't suffer the same number of complications as diabetic dogs and humans do.
 
Buddy has had 3 - 3.4u of prozinc. It has not seemed to lower his numbers.
Too soon to tell, Teresa. Here's my thinking: he hasn't gone below blue on 3.2 u and so far on 3.4 u. That suggests you're not yet at a high enough dose. However, the fact that he has dropped from pink or yellow to blue tells me that he's responding to the insulin when he isn't in a bounce cycle. You can't judge a dose from a bounce cycle. It has to be judged from a non-bounce cycle. I suggest you keep at 3.4 u today and plan to try 3.6 u tomorrow AM if you can monitor. He's built up some insulin resistance and you need to break through that. Careful dose increases will get you there.
 
Too soon to tell, Teresa. Here's my thinking: he hasn't gone below blue on 3.2 u and so far on 3.4 u. That suggests you're not yet at a high enough dose. However, the fact that he has dropped from pink or yellow to blue tells me that he's responding to the insulin when he isn't in a bounce cycle. You can't judge a dose from a bounce cycle. It has to be judged from a non-bounce cycle. I suggest you keep at 3.4 u today and plan to try 3.6 u tomorrow AM if you can monitor. He's built up some insulin resistance and you need to break through that. Careful dose increases will get you there.
I really appreciate all of your knowledge, I would be at a loss without you. I will raise tomorrow to 3.6u. Buddy cries a lot wanting more food, I keep thinking maybe he is eating too much, but what do you do when they follow you around wanting more food. I took 1 of my cats in today to see their old vet, while there I ran into a lady with a diabetic cat. This ladies cat was on 6u of ProZinc and she had never ran a BG test on him. I told her about FDMB.
 
What is his feeding schedule / amounts?
Buddy is eating FF Chunky Chicken. I give him 2 cans for the morning shot and 2 cans for the evening shot. If he does not eat it all at one sitting, I save what is left for later when he is hungry. He has no treats or snacks, just what is left from each dose. Sometimes he would like to have more. I do no how much anyone else is feeding their kitty. Buddy did weigh 12 lbs., but I am not for sure of his weight now. He does not need to gain weight.
 
Maury does need to gain a little weight but here are his meals:
Breakfast 1/2 can Friskies (2.25oz) Fill 1/4 cup YA dry
Lunch +4 : 1/3 can (1.83oz)
Dinner 1/2 can Friskies (2.25oz). Fill 1/4 cup YA dry
Lunch +3: 1/3 can (1.83oz)

The lunches helped him from being extra hungry by meal time. He doesn't always finish his dry because he wants to wait for his wet food :) If he doesn't finish a meal or lunch right away, I leave it there for him to come back later. Just try to take it up 2 hours prior to PS test.
 
Maury does need to gain a little weight but here are his meals:
Breakfast 1/2 can Friskies (2.25oz) Fill 1/4 cup YA dry
Lunch +4 : 1/3 can (1.83oz)
Dinner 1/2 can Friskies (2.25oz). Fill 1/4 cup YA dry
Lunch +3: 1/3 can (1.83oz)

The lunches helped him from being extra hungry by meal time. He doesn't always finish his dry because he wants to wait for his wet food :) If he doesn't finish a meal or lunch right away, I leave it there for him to come back later. Just try to take it up 2 hours prior to PS test.
I bought some YA dry for Buddy to use as a snack or treat. His BG did not seem to come down much, so I have not been giving him YA. FF is 3oz X4=12oz a day and he would like more. Buddy's food is stopped 2 hours prior to testing. When I was giving the YA, I don't think he wanted as much of the canned food as now. I hope it is not the food, maybe we can get him to where he needs to be without him going hungry.
 
Buddy's dose changed today and this is the lowest I have seen his BG numbers in a while. I took a reading at AMPS+5 and like the dummy I am did my usual, feed Buddy. I wanted to take a reading at AMPS+6, but now I have to wait 2 hrs.
 
Sam grazes all day, so if I waited the two hours during the mid-cycles, I'd either never get to test, or he'd never get to eat. I think you can go ahead and get the +6 test, and then maybe just add a note that he had food. Although I guess if Buddy ate a lot....? Sam usually just has a couple of bites at a time. Hopefully someone else will weigh in on this too.
 
Sam grazes all day, so if I waited the two hours during the mid-cycles, I'd either never get to test, or he'd never get to eat. I think you can go ahead and get the +6 test, and then maybe just add a note that he had food. Although I guess if Buddy ate a lot....? Sam usually just has a couple of bites at a time. Hopefully someone else will weigh in on this too.
Buddy ate more than I would like but I did get a reading at AMPS+5. The reason I wanted at AMPS+6, is because he started a new dose today and tomorrow I will be at church. I am paranoid about HYPO.
 
It looks like Buddy is up in very safe numbers and still has lots of room before he's in hypo territory. I think he'll be just fine tomorrow while you're gone.

That being said, I do understand the fear. Every time I come home and Sam's still alive, I breathe a sigh of relief. We all worry about our fur babies!
 
Well, son of a gun, Teresa! Isn't that a nice blue! Try not to worry about a hypo. If you need more peace of mind give him a little snack of higher carb food just before you leave for church tomorrow.
 
It looks like Buddy is up in very safe numbers and still has lots of room before he's in hypo territory. I think he'll be just fine tomorrow while you're gone.

That being said, I do understand the fear. Every time I come home and Sam's still alive, I breathe a sigh of relief. We all worry about our fur babies!
Did not you come home not to long ago and your kitty was diving.
 
Yes, it was about three weeks ago (3/18/17). But he had just had a major change in food a couple of days earlier, which can (and in his case did) have a big impact on his ability to respond to the insulin.
 
Well, son of a gun, Teresa! Isn't that a nice blue! Try not to worry about a hypo. If you need more peace of mind give him a little snack of higher carb food just before you leave for church tomorrow.
I was beginning to think maybe his FF Chunky was a higher carb food. Guess I could give some Purina OM or YA.
 
Yes, it was about three weeks ago (3/18017). And he had just had a major change in food a couple of days earlier, which can (and in his case did) have a big impact on his ability to respond to the insulin.
I thought he did and several other kitty's took a big dive that day. What do you feed your fur baby.
 
Oh, and I think Kris and Teasel might have been in on the lime-green party that day too. And maybe someone else too? That was an odd day!

I feed Sam a whole menu worth of foods depending on the day: Fancy Feast Classics, Friskies classic pates, and frozen raw from Nature's Instinct and Primal are the most common. They get bored with food and will stop eating it though, so I mix in other things every few days too. I just pick something off the list and go buy a couple of cans to give them some variety.

The food that I'm pretty sure brought Sam back into diabetes was Stella and Chewy's Salmon and Chicken. Turns out it's really high in carbs (despite what the package indicates). When I found out and took him off of that, his numbers improved a ton. But it takes awhile to heal from the damage that was done. (yes, I'm still angry about that)
 
I gave Buddy extra food this morning because I was leaving for several hours. I believe that has kept his numbers high today. I like pink, but not on Buddy's SS.
They're not that high, Teresa and your SS has more yellow now. That's a good sign.
 
Hi Teresa,

I see that you increased to 3.8 u this AM. Good call. This might jolt him into action. Slow careful increases will get him moving forward eventually. Sometimes we think that having to increase the dose means the insulin isn't working, the kitty is getting worse, or we're failing somehow. Not so! Buddy needs what he needs and that amount of insulin will fluctuate over time. He's a bit resistant right now because of being in slightly higher numbers but that will disappear once he's been at a more effective dose for a while. How is he feeling?
 
Hi Teresa,

I see that you increased to 3.8 u this AM. Good call. This might jolt him into action. Slow careful increases will get him moving forward eventually. Sometimes we think that having to increase the dose means the insulin isn't working, the kitty is getting worse, or we're failing somehow. Not so! Buddy needs what he needs and that amount of insulin will fluctuate over time. He's a bit resistant right now because of being in slightly higher numbers but that will disappear once he's been at a more effective dose for a while. How is he feeling?
I did not see your post last night. It is now 11:15 a.m. and accidentally saw your post. I was gone most of the day yesterday or I would have changed his dose yesterday. He is starting to get into fairly high u of Prozinc, which makes me wonder should he be on a different insulin. Buddy seems to be doing alright, he is eating FF chunky and sleeping a lot.
 
I did not see your post last night. It is now 11:15 a.m. and accidentally saw your post. I was gone most of the day yesterday or I would have changed his dose yesterday. He is starting to get into fairly high u of Prozinc, which makes me wonder should he be on a different insulin. Buddy seems to be doing alright, he is eating FF chunky and sleeping a lot.
Switching to another insulin doesn't necessarily mean the dose will go down. It can mean less bouncing in some cats or longer duration, etc, I think Buddy's ProZinc dose has to be slowly increased to see what it can do.
 
Just my two cents. He is responsive to the slow increases and even though it's tempting to rush progress (at least for me at times :rolleyes:), I think his numbers are pretty gentle curves :)
 
Just my two cents. He is responsive to the slow increases and even though it's tempting to rush progress (at least for me at times :rolleyes:), I think his numbers are pretty gentle curves :)
I hope to find a close to normal u of Prozinc soon, his little ears on the inside are so rosy colored where I have been poking him. If I could find the correct dose I would not need to poke his ears as much. Guess we are all doing the same thing, trying to help our kittys.
 
Hi Teresa,

Just wondering: when did you open this vial of ProZinc? Maybe put a thicker dividing line on your SS showing that? I think you should just continue what you're doing but it's good to pay attention to anything that can affect BG.
 
Hi Teresa,

Just wondering: when did you open this vial of ProZinc? Maybe put a thicker dividing line on your SS showing that? I think you should just continue what you're doing but it's good to pay attention to anything that can affect BG.
I opened this bottle of prozinc on 3/30/17. I had stopped a while back giving YA to him, because his numbers were high. I am going to go back and look at his SS.
 
I opened this bottle of prozinc on 3/30/17. I had stopped a while back giving YA to him, because his numbers were high. I am going to go back and look at his SS.
The insulin should be good then. Just keep up the slow careful increases. He is responding but needs to come down more.
 
Hi Teresa,

Just wondering: when did you open this vial of ProZinc? Maybe put a thicker dividing line on your SS showing that? I think you should just continue what you're doing but it's good to pay attention to anything that can affect BG.
I went back and looked at Buddy's SS, around the time his numbers started to climb he has started eating FF chunky & FortiFlora. Maybe he is eating more because when I look back on the notes he had not been eating very well and had been throwing up. The only thing I could figure out to do for his SS on 3/30/17 was italicize and bold.
 
I went back and looked at Buddy's SS, around the time his numbers started to climb he has started eating FF chunky & FortiFlora. Maybe he is eating more because when I look back on the notes he had not been eating very well and had been throwing up. The only thing I could figure out to do for his SS on 3/30/17 was italicize and bold.
I see that. One thing to try is putting the cursor on that bolded date, click on it then go to the tool bar at the top left and click on "Insert". A menu will drop down. Select "Row Above". That will create a blank row above the bolded date and you can type in something about starting a new vial.
 
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