Buddy's #'s /poor appetite

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Marci and Buddy

Marci and Buddy

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Just can't seem to get his groove back...1.25 is too little, Fat 1.25 gives him 40's....i think
because he is not eating very much past 4-5 days, which has never been the case before.
otherwise, he's fine(although i think all this bouncing is making him alittle weary).
Usually he'll eat 6-8 oz. of raw rabbit a day, now i'm lucky if he eats 1-2 oz. per day, have even tied giving him tuna, not very interested. i guess i'll have to hvae his teeth looked at again. does anyone know if he needs sedation to get them cleaned,even if there are no extractions?That is the only thing i can think of which would cause him not to want to eat...unless his #'s are getting him down.
Any thoughts very welcomed.
 
Oh dear, not eating is never good. Yes, that can happen due to dental issues and they would have to sedate just to clean them. No matter how mild mannered the cat, I doubt any vet would want to stick implements in an awake cat's mouth.

Does he show any other signs of not feeling well, such as third eye lid showing, vomiting, etc? In a diabetic cat, not eating makes me think of pancreatitis. Besides ketones or DKA, pancreatitis is the second most feared ailment for diabetic owners because the illness can last quite a while and if they don't eat, they go in to hepatic lipodosis, fatty liver.

Gandalf ate some during the beginnings of his first major pancreatitis illness and only stopped eating altogether when it had progressed. What I first noticed his third eyelid more prominent and his eyes also watered. That's why I'm asking about that. Pancreatitis can be very painful for them. But Gandalf still ate during that period, maybe not as much as previously, I don't really remember.

You should probably get him in within the next few days to see what's up. This may also have something to do with his wonky numbers.
 
Buddy shows no signs of illness, other than little interest in food, and perhaps sleeping abit more,(altho' he is 15 now).
I'm thinkning he's just sick of raw rabbit, which he's been eating day and night for 2 years now. Today i gave him FF Medley turkey and he ate it , (of course, $1.59 for 3 oz.can) altho' did not gobble it down as usual. He was at the vet 5 weeks ago and had all bloodwork, which didn'tshow any signs of pancreatitis..can it come on this quickly?
Also, last month his only 2 cat friends who lived on the first floor moved away-he'll never see another cat again. He may
be longing for them, as he was visiting them every day for 4 years. :cry:
so i guess I'll try the FF cans and see if he eats better. I see on Binkys food page they don't reccomend a flavor, does someone know which FF are the best ones for diabeteics? the carb count is not on the can. For some reason, i'm thinkning fish is not good,
am i right about that? Thanks very much.
 
Hi Marci,
I'm sorry that Buddy has a poor appetite. Klinger used to love raw rabbit and then one day he just stopped eating it. I feed Klinger fancy feast classics - they're gluten free and low carb. I think they're listed on Janet and Binky's "old' list. I want to say that the Tender Beef is 3% and the Gourmet Chicken is 4%. Here's the link:
http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodOld.html

That's too bad Buddy's friends moved away. He could be feeling a little blue. Giving him extra snuggles and a chin scritches from us.

Marcy & Klinger
 
Marci and Buddy said:
Buddy shows no signs of illness, other than little interest in food, and perhaps sleeping abit more,(altho' he is 15 now).
I'm thinkning he's just sick of raw rabbit, which he's been eating day and night for 2 years now. Today i gave him FF Medley turkey and he ate it , (of course, $1.59 for 3 oz.can) altho' did not gobble it down as usual. He was at the vet 5 weeks ago and had all bloodwork, which didn'tshow any signs of pancreatitis..can it come on this quickly?
Also, last month his only 2 cat friends who lived on the first floor moved away-he'll never see another cat again. He may
be longing for them, as he was visiting them every day for 4 years. :cry:
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Oh, that's really sad. He very well could be grieving, like animals do when a member of the animal household passes. Would you consider getting another cat?
Marci and Buddy said:
so i guess I'll try the FF cans and see if he eats better. I see on Binkys food page they don't reccomend a flavor, does someone know which FF are the best ones for diabeteics? the carb count is not on the can. For some reason, i'm thinkning fish is not good,
am i right about that? Thanks very much.
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There is a formula for figuring out dry matter carb content form the ingredients list on the can. Add up the "guaranteed analysis" percentages on the label for protein, fat, fiber and moisture. Subtract that number from 100 to get the percent of carbs on a wet matter basis. Divide that by .25 to get the kcal % or dry matter basis of carbs.

Generally the varieties without a descriptive word in front of the meat type are the safest, chicken feast, chicken & liver feast, turkey feast, etc. Don't get the "sliced---- feast" or the "grilled ___feast" varieties, although the grilled is good to have on hand because it's about 18% carbs and works like a charm to bring up low BGs. And most cats love it.

Here's the food chart with Fancy Feast listed. http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodOld.htmlIt's the old one, so doesn't have the Medleys on it. They have a little more carbs, but not much. 10 to 15% I think. I used them when Gandalf had p-tits because they are lower in fat. Here's the list with Medleys on it: http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html

Some cats really like fish, but because of heavy metals found in fish, like mercury, it's not a good idea to feed only fish. Plus some cats are allergic.

When an FD cat is inappetent, feed them what they will eat, unless it's too high of carb or dry. Maybe you could try a different variety of raw. Hope that helps.
 
Marci wrote: " Today i gave him FF Medley turkey and he ate it , (of course, $1.59 for 3 oz.can)"
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Wondering if $1.59 per can for FF is a typo? I know New York City is expensive, but that is really high. I can buy FF at my local Target for around 49 cents per can. Otherwise it is around 65 cents per can at the grocery store. Maybe a post to the Main Health forum to see if there are people in your neighborhood that have found cheaper places to shop. You might be able to buy it online and have it shipped to you cheaper than what you are paying. I'll bet I could buy it here and ship it to you for less than $1.59 a can!

Lana
 
Marci and Buddy said:
Buddy shows no signs of illness, other than little interest in food, and perhaps sleeping abit more,(altho' he is 15 now).
I'm thinkning he's just sick of raw rabbit, which he's been eating day and night for 2 years now. Today i gave him FF Medley turkey and he ate it , (of course, $1.59 for 3 oz.can) altho' did not gobble it down as usual. He was at the vet 5 weeks ago and had all bloodwork, which didn'tshow any signs of pancreatitis..can it come on this quickly?
Also, last month his only 2 cat friends who lived on the first floor moved away-he'll never see another cat again. He may
be longing for them, as he was visiting them every day for 4 years. :cry:
so i guess I'll try the FF cans and see if he eats better. I see on Binkys food page they don't reccomend a flavor, does someone know which FF are the best ones for diabeteics? the carb count is not on the can. For some reason, i'm thinkning fish is not good,
am i right about that? Thanks very much.
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Marci, where did you buy the raw rabbit from? Is it a local store? Do they by any chance sell raw chicken or turkey perhaps?

I just hate the idea of swtching Buddy from raw back to a canned diet especially since he has done so well on the raw up until now. I can understand him wanting some variety, I would too!

I remember all the dilemma of searching the labels on canned food before switching Tigger to an all raw diet. I was forever in the store isles adding up the ingredient list (with the formula that Vicky mentions). And then sometimes the food companies decide to change their formula's and you never seem to know what you are feeding. Feeding a raw diet has eliminated that plus Tigger is much healthier because of it. I understand though in multiple cat households it can be expensive though (unless you make your own).

But anyway, I hope you can find some other raw foods and interchange them with the raw rabbit.

I am so sorry he has lost his friends! Tigger lost his best friend next door years ago and I know he missed him for a long time. Poor Buddy! :(

How is he doing today? I noticed your SS jumped from 6/3 to 6/25! I am not ready for June to be over yet. LOL
 
Let's just say Buddys been outsmarted! I had a feeling as soon as I posted he's not eating well and may need to go to the vet, problem solved...
he's eating fine, even raw rabbit.
on my way to bed now after a long day -will update more tomorew and respond to specifics...thanks everyone for your help and care.
 
Lana -just getting back to the board now to reply--there is a certain FF which cost 1.59, wish it was a typo but it's true--the others cost .99 but of course he doesnt like them as much ohmygod_smile -Vicky,i have tried the other raw ones , beef made him vomit and chicken made him turn his nose up! well at least he's eating, i do wish he would stick to raw food only,but at least he's eating.i'm now mixing the two, raw and FF. he used to eat 6-7 oz. per d ay , now he's eating about half...
i'm interested to hear how much other cats eat, if there is such a thing as a normal,or average amount for a 12 lb cat. :?:
 
Marci wrote, "i'm interested to hear how much other cats eat, if there is such a thing as a normal,or average amount for a 12 lb cat."
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When Yoyo (13 - 15 lbs) was running BGs in the 400's, he was voracious, eating at least 6 to 7 cans of FF per day.

Lately, his BGs are much lower than previously so the voraciousness is gone. I give him a can of FF in the morning, a can for an afternoon snack, and a can at night with his PM shot. My other cat eats some of it also and there is still a bit of it left to be thrown into the trash.

if Buddy is maintaining 12 lbs and 12 lbs is a good weight for him, I wouldn't worry too much.

Lana
 
Yeah, I would check his weight. I often think my cats aren't eating enough, some days they leave food, others it's like I didn't put enough out.

One thing to consider is that since you're mixing raw with the FF that he actually needs less food to maintain his energy and weight because of the raw. That's pretty much across the board agree upon - that cats eat less of raw food than canned and especially less than dry. How much less probably is ECID, like everything else!
 
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