Beauregard - 10/22 & 10/23

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Would anyone care to take a peek at Beauregard's (aka BooBoo) #s? I just fumbled my way through getting his spreadsheet posted to Google and linked in my signature...and I really want to be excited! He was diagnosed on Sept 29. First week was on 1u or U40, second week at 2u. The tests were done at the vets office until this past Saturday, and I was a total fail the first day, but am getting better at the ear poking and you'll see the results since Sunday.

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Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Hi Lisa,

Glad you made your way over here. We are a small friendly group. The forum is busiest in the am and pm, so give people time to respond. If you ever have an emergency, be sure to post on Health.

To get BooBoo's numbers down without insulin, you can feed small frequent meals to help his pancreas. And you can try feeding really low carb food. If you are feeding 7% now, you might lower it to 3%.

If he goes down to between 40-120 for two weeks, he will be officially off the juice. If he stays in the 150-200 range, you could consider tiny mini doses. We have had a number of users do that so they can help you.

Welcome to the PZI family.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Your numbers are very surprising. BG in the 30's is considered hypo numbers. And to go that low in just 1 hour, when insulin typically starts to have effect after 2 hours, certainly unusual. What brought those very low numbers back up? Food?
Congratulations on testing! Good advice to not shoot under 200.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Thanks Sue. I'm sure the gratitude I've already got for this forum is the same thing everyone else goes through. The people are amazing!!

I'm still working on the food issue. Boo had an incident when he was a youngling, and it took me two years to find something he could eat that didn't result in terrible diarrhea. Constantly. For two years. I mean...constantly. Cleaning up little oozles all over the house all day, every day. I can't begin to imagine how uncomfortable my little lovebug was all that time. At any rate, because of that, I wanted to made the diet change as gradually as possible so that it didn't trigger a return to the Dark Times.

I started with mixing the poisonous dry Science Diet for Sensitive Stomach (almost 40% carbs), with Purina DM. Then after a couple days, started giving wet Purina DM in addition, then each day mixed a little more DM into the dry until it was all DM. Two days ago, I took away all dry, and have been testing some 'treat' types of foods. I have several different varieties of Merrick's, and a couple of Wellness pouches. So, it's been a little over three weeks and he's gone from ~40% carbs, to around 7%. And OMG does he love Merrick's Cowboy Cookout!

He lost quite a bit of weight before the diagnosis, probably 3-4 pounds (and he's not a very big boy). We don't have a scale, but I think he's gained at least a pound this past week!
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

judy and squamee(GA) said:
Your numbers are very surprising. BG in the 30's is considered hypo numbers. And to go that low in just 1 hour, when insulin typically starts to have effect after 2 hours, certainly unusual. What brought those very low numbers back up? Food?
Congratulations on testing! Good advice to not shoot under 200.

What I suspect is that the previous tests done at the vet's office were artificially high because of stress. He's not a very social creature, and particularly hates the car ride to the vets office. Poking and prodding turns him into a vicious little heathen. So, I suspect because there's no stress for him at home, he never should have been on 2u and weird things started occurring. That's a total guess though - I'm really too new at this whole thing to do anything more than speculate. I'm hoping some others with a lot more experience will throw out some ideas about it.

I think it was eating that brought him up. I was totally freaked out at the first one (that's when I made my first post here). He did continue to eat his dinner (it takes him a couple hours to graze through a half-can) and then he was up, but I really don't remember exactly. With the second one, I had to go to work so I don't know what he did between the 30s number and the 80s number a couple hours later.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Well, sounds like reducing the carbs is not feasible now. You definitely want him to eat if he has been difficult to find a food for.

His numbers have been strange but hopefully now that he is home and getting tested, maybe things will make more sense. Getting a couple cycles of numbers will be helpful. I'd like to see some tests early in the cycle so we can see if that early drop is a consistent pattern.

Everyone, note that Lisa uses the AlphaTrack so the numbers are 30 points lower than they would be with our human meters. Right, Lisa?
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

I plan to do every 2 hours for 12 hours testing tomorrow - I'll be sure to update when it's all complete! And I'll do another next Saturday or Sunday too.

Y'all have appropriately named this whole process...The Sugar Dance!

I do use the AlphaTrak, but I'm not sure how it compares to the human meters. I called my vet yesterday morning to make sure she had taken that particular tester into consideration when giving the dosage recommendations, and she reassured me she had. I really like my vet. She's cared for Boo since the incident that happened in 2001.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

As mentioned in my last post, my plan was to do Boo's first curve testing today (every 2 hours for 12 hours, right?). But, I'm now wondering if I should do it today because he's not had to have a shot since Thursday morning, which is over 48 hours ago (Yaaay Boo!!). Would it still be helpful to do a curve? He hasn't had a curve done at home yet, and I *know* that the one done at the vet's office was inaccurate because of stress. Since we are still so new to testing at home, and he's still kind of getting used to the idea, I'd hate to have that many pokes in one day, and risk an armed rebellion, if it's not going to be of any benefit.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

It would be interesting to see how he moves up and down in relation to food. (be sure to record what and when fed). I am most interested in the hours after feeding - like 1 hour after or 2 hours after. And maybe a number long after the meal to see when and how much he rises?

It may be that you don't need to record many numbers if he continues to go down over time. But if you are going to need to give him a few mini doses, the data would be nice.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

With no insulin on board, a curve won't do much for you. What you might try is to test him before feedimg, then about an hour later to see how much the food makes him rise. Then test him two hours later and you should see his number come down. That would be his pancreas ding its job, producing insulin on its own.

If you see that happen, that's a really good thing!
other than that, you can give his little ears a break today, and just get tests at the normal preshot times.
Carl
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Well darn. My boss just asked me if I could go to the office this morning so I won't be able to do a curve test.

I just did one more before I have to go to work for a few hours, and it was at +1.5 (should I mark that as +1 or +2?) and it was 140, or 25 points below his first test. He had his breakfast right after his first test. (Note that I do the first test before his breakfast, because if I have to give a shot, then I do it while he is eating.)
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Just do it as you can. He is still in nice safe numbers, particularly if we reduce by 30 for the Alphatrack. (Somebody let me know if I am wrong about this!) And the fact that he went down, not up, after feeding means his pancreas is helping out. This is good news!
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Sue, I think we would count the alpha track as accurate and reduce by 30 for the human meter.
And Lisa, I think you should let the folks here know Beauregards story....not becuase of the horror, but to let them know what a strong and brave kitty he is to have survived it. And what an amazing mama bean you are to have nurtured him thru it.
And that we must stand up where ever we can that people who do harm like that to an animal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. A murderer, serial killer in the making.

And good going both of you.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Welcome to PZI!! looks like you are in good hands here,
just wanted to welcome you ...

Denise and Shakes
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Well, ‘a couple of hours’ at the office turned into most of the day. Grr. So, I’ve decided to give my little guy a break from pokes for the rest of the day. He deserves it!

Since Lori suggested it, I’ll tell the tale of The Dark Times for my Beauregard (aka BooBoo):

In April 2001, I received an email from a co-worker explaining that her sister was a vet tech, and her clinic had a cat for whom they were trying to find a forever home. It had been six years since my beloved Pandora had died, and I had been considering getting a new kitty for almost a year, but just hadn’t for some reason. The email explained that this cat might need “a little special care” (exactly those words – rather an understatement as you'll see if you continue reading), and they needed to find just the right parent for him. I’d never given *special care* to an animal before, but I said to myself, “Self, it can’t be that difficult!” So, I went for an interview.

Before the people at the clinic even let me see BooBoo (who’s name at the time was Rainbow – he’s a black cat, fer Pete’s sake – that definitely had to change), I had to talk to the vet. They said she would ‘explain everything.’ So, I braced myself for maybe hearing about a kitty with some allergies, or a deaf or blind kitty, a whole bunch of things…but not this.

The vet proceeded to explain that Boo’s previous owner had heard some Fourth of July firecracker activity in their neighborhood, and about 30 minutes later Boo was found on their patio, almost dead. He had extensive injuries to his anus and left rear hip, and some areas with third degree burns on his back and tail. Eventually, the previous owner’s neighborhood gossip trail led back to a 10-year old boy having exploded Boo’s fanny with a firecracker just for funsies. By the time the previous owner heard this bit of gossip, the boy and his family had moved and there was no ‘proof’ besides the other neighborhood kids’ gossip. So, we're not entirely sure but suspect it is true; of course, nothing was ever done about it. And, because of the ongoing “a little special care” requirements, Boo’s previous parent didn’t want him anymore.

Between July of 2000, and my interview in April of 2001, Boo had had four reconstructive surgeries (all done by his vet for free, because she just could not NOT help him), and he would need one more where the burn area had become infected and wasn’t healing properly. He would also need to continue anabolic steroid therapy to promote new muscle growth for a while, and cortico steroids probably forever to aid inflammation, as well as management of the diarrhea (which is exacerbated by using steroids) and his malfunctioning sphincter issues.

Oh, and then there was the not insignificant issue of him not particularly liking humans, not playing nice with other furrbies, not liking to be picked up, or poked, or prodded (that seems like a “duh” though - who likes being poked and prodded by doctors?) “OK,” I thought to myself, “this little guy will need medicine every day, and doesn’t like to be touched?”

So…by now I was thinking, “I can’t do this!” It was scary just thinking about it, fer Pete’s sake – actually doing all of that stuff, and not knowing if the little guy would get any better? It seemed too risky emotionally and I just wasn’t sure I could make that kind of an investment. And to be honest, by that time, I had quite decided that I wasn’t qualified to be Boo’s parent.

Until.

One of the techs brought him into the room where I was talking with the vet, and put him down on the examining table. He sat down right in front of me, and in the highest-pitched kitteh voice I’d ever heard, he said, “Hi.” Just one, single, solitary, "Hi." And then he sat down. And stared at me. And stared some more. If there are any LOLCat fans out there familiar with the occupation of Basement Kittehs -- when I look back now and remember that moment, I’m absolutely positive that’s when he stole my soul!

So now I had to rethink the issue. I liked this little guy. I really liked him. In just five minutes alone with him, I really, really, liked him! Sitting there, with so much dignity, so much pride. And so much adorability. How could I not help him? But I wasn’t qualified! But he’s so cute! But he may never get better! But he’s so adorable! But it will be such a hard core emotional investment! But just look at him, he’s so…adorable!

“If I don’t take him home, it’s quite possible nobody else will.”

That was the clincher. The next day, having been informed I passed the interview and was officially offered the job of “Rainbow’s Mom”, I picked him up and brought him home. And re-named him Beauregard. It was a happy day.

Over the next two years, he made excellent progress. The hip area healed, the burns healed, and although is anus is a little off center now, that healed too…except for the diarrhea/sphincter issue. It just wouldn’t get any better. We tried dozens of different cat foods, steroid therapies, even kitty counselors, but the diarrhea never got better. Every single day, there would be little oozies wherever he would lie down, or sit down, all over the house, because he had no sphincter control. His litter box had to be completely washed every single day because of the messes. I had to use baby wipes on his fanny area constantly, and that area was already so sensitive, but he couldn’t reach that far back to clean because of the mobility issues with his hip. And cleaning that kind of mess just isn't healthy either! Worst of all - I could only imagine what kind of constant discomfort my poor little lovebug had that entire time. Diarrhea hurts! It was just a nightmare.

So, after a couple of years of trying this, that and the other thing, all to no avail, we made a last-ditch, desperation effort to find some relief for him. We stopped all medications, and made a switch over to Science Diet for Sensitive Stomach dry food. Within two weeks, the diarrhea stopped, he could control his sphincter, and there were no more oozies and no more diarrhea.

It was, undoubtedly, a miracle. He’s been a healthy, happy kitteh since August of 2003!

And now Boo says, (in his best Simba voice), “I laugh in the face of diabetes!”

The end, and thank you for listening. Rerr!
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Lisa what a story of love and courage on your part...as for Beauregard, well, he is a champion in his own right for surviving all of it. And having the ability to love and trust you.
This story hurts to hear...and it is beautiful all at the same time.

Oh, and I love when I say to myself, 'self.....'
Lori
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Thanks Lori. Typing it out was kind of therapeutic. I've told a few friends about his history, of course, but none are cat people and I've never shared all the details with anyone except Beauregard's vet. Actually typing out the story of The Dark Times, for cat people to read and sympathize, well, it was kind of emotional. I think I'm going to go read a book on the couch so he'll jump up and sit down next to me for some free chin scratches. :)

I hope you're doing OK this evening. Much love and hugs to you.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Wow. I had read a hint of this in Health, maybe? But what an incredible story. Horrifying and yet also very inspiring. Wow.

Thank you sooo much for sharing it. Your kitteh is a miracle, and you're a miracle worker. His vet is a hero.

I do have one question. You mentioned that basically the dry food fixed his chronic diarrhea. And that you've removed dry? Is he still okay with that? No problems with diarrhea? I can't imagine how the realization that the dry food was "bad" for a sugarcat tore you apart inside, knowing it was what "fixed" things.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

You are both amazing and obviously meant to be together. Bless you for giving BooBoo the wonderful loving home he so deserves.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

carlinsc said:
Wow. I had read a hint of this in Health, maybe? But what an incredible story. Horrifying and yet also very inspiring. Wow.

Thank you sooo much for sharing it. Your kitteh is a miracle, and you're a miracle worker. His vet is a hero.

I do have one question. You mentioned that basically the dry food fixed his chronic diarrhea. And that you've removed dry? Is he still okay with that? No problems with diarrhea? I can't imagine how the realization that the dry food was "bad" for a sugarcat tore you apart inside, knowing it was what "fixed" things.

His vet IS a hero, isn't she!! I get so angry reading the stories posted here of people who have bad vets. There's just no reason for it.

The dry food issue is quite perplexing. I was terrified about changing it, and it's taken three weeks to get him off of dry entirely, but thankfully there has been no hint of a return of the diarrhea with the switch to the canned. Now I'm thinking that maybe it wasn't so much the effect of switching to dry Science Diet for Senitive Stomach as it was getting him off the steroids and metronidizol. Maybe any other food would have worked at that time, but I just didn't try any new food once the problem was fixed, because it was fixed! We stopped the anabolic injections after about nine months (good grief, he hated those), when all the wounds were healed and tissues was rebuilding nicely, but the prednisone and one other cortico (I foregt the name) and metronidizol for the diarrhea, continued for two years in varying amounts.

He's absolutely loving the canned stuff! He didn't like the Wellness treat food that he tried a couple evenings ago - liked the gravy but not the chicken/duck bits. He's loving the Merrick's Cowboy Cookout! He's eating so well now and doesn't seem to miss the kibble. Such a good, good boy.
 
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Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
You are both amazing and obviously meant to be together. Bless you for giving BooBoo the wonderful loving home he so deserves.

Thanks Sue! I'm convinced it was meant to be too. I didn't get another kitty even though I'd been thinking about it for almost a year because karma had him lined up for me in April 2001! And honestly, the vet and Boo deserve all the credit. They both had so much patience with me and got me through so many insecurities and meltdowns!!

Diabetes is overwhelming in an entirely different way than The Dark Times. Maybe I'm just trying to learn more, or maybe it's because chemistry was never a strong suit for me, but trying to figure this diabetes stuff out sure does seem way more difficult! The moms and dads of all the sugar babies here are very, very special!
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Lisa,
On the "chemistry" thing. I think one thing that really helped me to get somewhat of a grasp on the whole diabetes thing was someone explained (think it may have been "Larry" of Larry and Kitties, but not sure) that insulin isn't a "drug", but a hormone. Its function is to lower blood sugar and we only provide an artificial source to kitty in order to allow his pancreas to heal and start producing enough on its own, the way nature intended. When you think of it as a drug, the thought process leads people to believe that it has all these horrifying "side-effects" so that any time anything else goes wrong with kitty, the first thought is "it must be the insulin - too much, too little, wrong kind" . The insulin is rarely the cause for the effect.
It helps to understand that when "other complications" appear, there's usually a root cause that isn't insulin going on, and once that can be figured out and treated, then you see what the results are from the insulin with all the other stuff out of the way.
The "insulin and BG" part of this dance is pretty much just math and logical patterns.

That, and I do a helluva lot of reading all over the board!

Carl
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

What a Great story! and goood mammabean! Boo Boo is very special and to hell with those that did this and got away with it~ grr_red
Thank you for sharing and good luck and patience w/ the new sugar dance
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Thanks ohbell, and thanks again to all of you for reading through Boo's story. When I looked at that post again, I was kind of surprised that it was soooo long because it seemed to only take ten minutes when I was typing it out yesterday afternoon! I have to admit, after I had posted it for y'all, then had play time (hide the birdie under the rug and *pounce*) with my little guy, his usual level of adorability seemed to have tripled for some reason. :D

I was a little anxious about the morning test, since I didn't check him last night. But it was a super-duper great 138!! His AMPS and PMPS numbers have dropped every day since I started home testing one week ago!

I know that anyone who's been blessed enough to see the same thing happen to their babies knows exactly how I feel about seeing numbers like that, and that's good because the happiness is kind of indescribable!
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Thanks for sharing his story, you are all amazing, Boo Boo for his sheer will to carry on, you for giving him the love and life he deserves and the vet for restoring him to health. What a great team you all make.
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

Thank you all, and a big PURRR from Boo!

We're going to email his spreadsheet to his vet after tomorrow morning's ear poke. I hope she's as encouraged by his numbers as we want to be, and I can't wait to hear what she has to say about his progress!
 
Re: Beauregard - 10/22

BooBoo's numbers just keep improving!

If y'all don't think it's too soon, I think I'm going to go ahead and let myself get a little bit excited.
 
Lisa,
well, let's see. booboo hasn't had any insulin for over 100 hours? yeah, I think you're entitled to get more than a little bit excited about that! Not only is he non-shootable, but he gets further away from that "line in the sand" with each test. This is exciting for us! You're certainly entitled!
carl

edit - make sure and tell us what the vet has to say when she sees your spreadsheet :smile:
 
Thanks, Carl! I certainly will pass on the vet's comments. I've already emailed the spreadsheet to her office - I figured I'd forget to do it tomorrow morning...mornings and I don't get on very well. :lol:
 
Lisa, I have a strange talent for just this type of thing. Did I not tell you, when we spoke was it a week ago (?) that this Beauregard fellow has a hankering to get off the juice cat_pet_icon and good boy that he is....he let me be right. Thank you Mr. Beau.
So very happy for you Lisa.
I guess you won't be needing those syringes and newbie kit after all.
 
Purrs to you, Lori and Ginny!

This morning Boo did something that has me kind of puzzled, but in a good way. I was sitting at my desk with morning coffee, check news headlines and whatnot (and of course, FDMB posts), waiting for Boo to come in and say hello when he finished his breakfast. That's been our routine since we moved into our apartment over a year ago. So he traipsed into the room, started winding around my feet, then, fer Pete's sake, acted like he wanted to sit on my lap! So I picked him up and he stayed there, purring super loudly, for, like two whole minutes! It's a very rare occasion when he lets me pick him up, and even more rare that he'd tolerate being on my lap. Maybe he's thanking me for getting better at ear pokes...or maybe trying to con me out of doing this morning's test. Ha.

And yes, Lori, it was about a week ago that we talked and your inner prophet said Boo was trying really hard to go OTJ. How do you do that?? So please hold off for now on sending the syringes and newbie kit, though I truly appreciate the kindness and generosity that you've offered to us. I'm sure another kitty will make very good use of them, and for now (at least for today), BooBoo is doing pretty darned good.

OH! And, I mentioned to my boss that 12-hour work days just can't continue for the immediate future. Even if Boo doesn't need injections every 12 hours, he needs more of my time than I've been giving him the past couple of years. So thanks for that too!
 
Many times diabetes brings the kitty and bean closer together. Yes, I think they realize we made them feel better.

Hope there is lots of purring lap time in your and BooBoo's future.
 
Well...I just talked to Boo's vet, and she said...

that...

we should just go ahead and start with the October 21 date as the first day of his "OTJ Trial Period".

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Thanks for sharing Boo Boo's story. Very sad and makes me mad what abusers will do to a helpless animal but in this case, the story has a very happy ending! You are a wonderful mamabean for adopting your special boy and I must say your vet is awesome! Truly motivated to help and heal with no compensation, thats what should be the motivation to become a vet, to help and heal because they have compassion for a living being.
And what great news that BooBoo is trying a trial OTJ.
p.s. And Boo Boo is a real cutie...I love black cats; I have 3.
 
Thanks everyone!

Boo's pm test was a little higher than it's been the past couple of days, a 150, which I think is still really good. I think it might have been a little higher than the past couple of tests because I tested after we'd been playing for half an hour or so. Does that sound logical? He was so darned spunky tonight, and he couldn't wait to play so I brought the cat dancer and he started going crazy. Running at full speed through my little apartment, from living room to bedroom to office to bedroom to living room. What a hoot! My neighbors are probably all irritated. Ha.

P.S., I bought a catnip plant for him this afternoon. Hopefully I'll have some super cute video of him when he gets it. He's only had fresh catnip one other time, and he was adorably hilarious!
 
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