Advice on my 15 year old diabetic cat: Previously stable but declining for about a year

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heathgamb

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Hello all!

I am new to the forum, but my cat, Rosie, has been battling diabetes since 2017. I have recently taken over her care and I wanted some advice on how I can improve her symptoms. This has been a long journey so I will try to be as brief as possible while also providing the most information as possible.

At the time of her initial diagnosis, I was in college and my mom was taking care of her. After her initial diagnosis, she was fed Purina DM dry and given 2U of Novolin N NPH insulin every 12 hours. After starting this treatment, she was stable and remained at a normal weight for 3 years. In August 2020, I stayed at my mom's house and took care of her while she was out of town. While there, I noticed her diabetes was not well controlled. I work as an EMT, so I know the signs all too well. Turns out my mom accidentally let the insulin expire, and after making sure she kept track of when to buy new insulin I assumed Rosie would improve.

Long story short, she did not, and by November 2020, my mom was no longer able to take care of her, so we moved her to my apartment so I could take care of her myself. After doing some research, I bought the iPet Pro glucometer and I switched her to the Fancy Feast Classic Pate Tender Liver and Chicken Feast (w/ 1 tbsp of Purina DM dry on top because she was a dry food addict it helps her to eat). I completely restarted her insulin at 0.5U, making sure to perform glucose curves often and increasing her insulin very carefully. After a few weeks, after increasing to 2U of insulin, her nadir was around 100 so I was satisfied. For the next few months, all of her clinical signs except for her weight improved. I was hoping that the diet change would put some weight on her, but it didn't.

Fast-forward to a few weeks ago. I took her to the vet for a checkup that was long overdue and explained the changes I had made and that I was concerned about her weight. Full CBC and urinalysis were performed just in case, and it all came back clear. The fructosamine indicated "fair" control of her sugars, so I was told to maintain the dosage. In an attempt to help her gain weight, I was told to increase the amount of food at meal time and to let her eat for 60 minutes and then give insulin around 30 minutes after the initial feeding time (I was previously told to only let her eat for 30 min). She was eating well until last Friday, when she started vomiting. She vomited 6x in a 12 hour period. She ate half of her food in the morning, and my bf gave her the normal insulin dosage. She ate half again at the evening meal and again I gave the normal dose. After vomiting, her BG was 54, so I gave her small meals and continued to check until it increased to 134. A few hours later, I checked it again after she vomited again, and it was 422. She would not eat her morning meal so I took her to the vet and she was admitted. They gave her fluids, anti-nausea medication, and tried to get her glucose under control.

I will be picking her up tonight and I wanted to ask some advice about what they told me. My biggest concern is what they suggested about food. They said they were feeding her the Hill's w/d diet and that she was tolerating it well, so they suggested I begin feeding her that. But I have read on here that the food is nearly 25% carbs, which is way higher than the 10% threshold I had read about. They also said they were able to regulate her BG a little better, but that it was "jumping around", with a nadir of around 100 and then a few hours later jumping to 4 or 500. They suggested I do a home glucose curve in a few days and send it to them to make sure the high levels weren't a result of stress. My question is, should I feed her the Hill's w/d like they suggested, or should I keep feeding her the Fancy Feast Classic Pate? I would rather not spend the money on prescription food, but I also really want her to gain weight because she is only 5.3 lbs right now...

Thank you so much!

TLDR: My 15 yo diabetic cat was admitted to the vet over the weekend because she was vomiting and not eating. I have been feeding her the Fancy Feast Classic Pate Tender Liver and Chicken Feast (w/ 1 tbsp of Purina DM dry on top because she was a dry food addict it helps her to eat) and giving 2U of Novolin N NPH insulin every 12 hours. I will be picking her up today and I wanted advice about their suggestion that I switch her food to Hill's w/d, which people say on here is high in carbs. She is currently really skinny (only 5.3 lbs) but the last fructosamine (2 weeks ago) revealed "fair" control of her diabetes. Should I listen to their suggestion, because they may know better about what food will help her gain weight, or should I continue with the Fancy Feast, perform a glucose curve and see for myself if that food works fine? Thanks!
 
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Fast-forward to a few weeks ago. I took her to the vet for a checkup that was long overdue and explained the changes I had made and that I was concerned about her weight. Full CBC and urinalysis were performed just in case, and it all came back clear. The fructosamine indicated "fair" control of her sugars, so I was told to maintain the dosage. In an attempt to help her gain weight, I was told to increase the amount of food at meal time and to let her eat for 60 minutes and then give insulin around 30 minutes after the initial feeding time (I was previously told to only let her eat for 30 min).
Welcome to FDMB! Thanks for your really detailed intro... i think there are a few things you can tweek to get her in better numbers.
First, the food. I'm so glad you got her off that terrible dry food. Even though it's sold as being ok for diabetics, it's WAYYY too high in carbs. Any of the fancy feast pate foods are good choices. no need to limit it to one flavor. Variety is the spice of life. haha Don't feed the prescription food... there's nothing in it that makes it any better than fancy feast or friskies pate.

You really need to give her access to food all the time, esp. if she needs to put on weight. Most of us feed several smaller meals a day rather than 2 big meals. the only time you want to limit food is at least two hours prior to the preshot test. btw, excellent that you've started testing at home ... that's really critical for getting the diabetes under control and for keeping them safe. I do want to talk about your choice of insulin though. Novolin only lasts 4-6 hours in most cats, leaving them without insulin support for a lot of the day. Much better choices are Prozinc or Lantus. They also have the best rate of remission.

On the vomiting... did she eat any houseplants that could be dangerous? Make sure to ask if they tested her for ketones (very serious!) and for pancreatitis.
 
Welcome to FDMB! Thanks for your really detailed intro... I think there are a few things you can tweek to get her in better numbers.
First, the food. I'm so glad you got her off that terrible dry food. Even though it's sold as being ok for diabetics, it's WAYYY too high in carbs. Any of the fancy feast pate foods are good choices. no need to limit it to one flavor. Variety is the spice of life. haha Don't feed the prescription food... there's nothing in it that makes it any better than fancy feast or friskies pate.

You really need to give her access to food all the time, esp. if she needs to put on weight. Most of us feed several smaller meals a day rather than 2 big meals. the only time you want to limit food is at least two hours prior to the preshot test. btw, excellent that you've started testing at home ... that's really critical for getting the diabetes under control and for keeping them safe. I do want to talk about your choice of insulin though. Novolin only lasts 4-6 hours in most cats, leaving them without insulin support for a lot of the day. Much better choices are Prozinc or Lantus. They also have the best rate of remission.

On the vomiting... did she eat any houseplants that could be dangerous? Make sure to ask if they tested her for ketones (very serious!) and for pancreatitis.

Thank you so much for your input! The only problem with feeding her small meals during the day is that both my bf and I work every day. He is usually gone for at least 8 hours and I am typically gone for 10-14 hours in a day because I work in healthcare and have a 45-minute commute to work. Do you know anyone with this problem that has had success feeding small meals with automatic feeders? That is also a good point about switching up the food flavors! I was always afraid that would make her vomit by switching her food, but it does seem like she gets bored eating the same thing every day, so maybe that will help her eat better!

In regards to the insulin, that's what they've always told us to use. I have thought about discussing a change with the vet, but I know the NPH is the cheapest, and I'm not sure how much more I would be able to spend. But it is a good point, I will definitely have to discuss this possibility with the vet!

Lastly, in regards to the vomiting, I am guessing she was sick from high sugars? We don't have any house plants because our other cat is dumb and likes to eat them lol. Apparently she did not end up vomiting at all while she was at the vet, but her sugars were high. They did not tell me if her ketones were high, but I will be sure to ask. I will also ask about pancreatitis. I do suspect she has it, because every once in a while when she vomits a small amount it will be a clear foamy liquid, which apparently is an indicator.

Thank you so much again for your input, I already have so many ideas of what I can do to try to improve her symptoms :)
 
. Do you know anyone with this problem that has had success feeding small meals with automatic feeders?
Sure! I've definitly used automatic feeders. If it's warm in your house you can put an icecube in the food to keep it fresh longer, or even freeze the food in advance.
, but I know the NPH is the cheapest, and I'm not sure how much more I would be able to spend.

Is cheap for a reason. Lol. ProZinc is $103 on chewy.com and lasts about 5 months kept in the fridge. Lantus is $189 for a years supply (5 3ml pens) if you get it through marks Marine pharmacy in Canada. They will work much better than what you are using now!! Definitly worth it, and really not super expensive since they last several months.

If they did any lab work you can post it and we can see if there's something else going on like ckd. If it was all foamy stuff out could be avoid reflux from having an empty stomach. Smaller meals help with that as well.
 
I’m a newbie so I don’t have much advice but I have used the automatic feeder because on work days I am gone for 12+ hours. I did make the mistake of buying timed feeders that just opened on a delayed timer but never closed so you want to make sure if you aren’t home to pick up the food that you have a feeder that can turn to an empty slot at the desired time. I ended up buying the petsafe 5 that was recommended from this forum and I wish I had bought it the first time around!
 
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