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9/28 - Xander | AMBG 290 | Update πŸ’œ

Brianna & Xander

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Previous post: 9/27/25

Thank you so, so much to everyone for your thoughts, wishes and encouragement/comfort yesterday as we were at the emergency vet!

As a recap: He wouldn't eat, beyond the usual level of difficulty we have with him. Just nothing, not even things he normally loves. He was incredibly lethargic and when I would get him up to try to eat, he would just shake slightly and twitch a bit. To me personally, he just seemed to be in immense pain. He had 8 teeth extracted on Monday and only 3 days of Onsior, so he ran out of that on Thursday. That combined with having had insulin and our vet's office being closed on weekends, I decided it might be time for the emergency vet.

Upon arrival and initial exam they drew some blood, and AFAIK the only notable result was his WBC being elevated. (I don't have copies of any of the labs, but when his urine they sent out comes back later I'll request copies). Initially they wanted to hospitalize him for 48 hours and seemingly mainly find out if he had a UTI or other GI issue going on. This was going to be about $8k which isn't something we can do. They offered to get a quote for a 24 hour hospitalization, but that was still more than half and what if it didn't work anyway?

Meanwhile I was just thinking that I was so sure that the problem was mouth pain. The likelihood that he's in intense pain after running out of his few mild pain meds less than a week after major dental seems more likely than that he suddenly developed something GI-related that was this dramatic 3 days after they looked and saw only a mild intestinal thickening. I felt like the hospitalization was too broad/focused on the possible UTI, and was afraid that we were going to end up having to put him down because we couldn't afford that, when the problem was probably the obvious one: his mouth. So I did what was very hard for me and advocated for focus on the mouth. The doctor then said she'd be comfortable sending him home with pain meds to see how he fares (since if it's his mouth, that will probably make him eat again), and if he didn't eat by morning, to come back in. Since it's possible he has an infection (either his mouth or the UTI), I suggested maybe starting the antibiotics they had wanted to start during hospitalization anyway and they agreed that was a good idea; they'll just tell me to discontinue if his urinalysis comes back negative.

When they checked his BG there he was only in the 200s which is surprisingly not bad for the stress he was in. Libre later showed he was in the 50s-60s through the middle stretch (probably when he was being left alone in the kennel, it went up before and after when he was being handled). If he was capable of being that low at the vet where he skyrockets, that really shows that insulin working, especially with his not eating! :nailbiting:

So before we left he got subcutaneous fluids (as far from his Libre as possible, thanks to the reminder from @Staci & Ivy ! πŸ’•), an injection of Cerenia and the first dose of the antibiotic. We were sent home with all liquid meds (since he won't reliably eat food, we can't crush pills into it): Gabapentin, Buprenorphine and ClavaMox. Vet tech showed us how to administer them (even she said he resists more than expected and is difficult) by doing the first dose.

When we got home he was immediately awake and restless, talkative and cuddly. The same super high reaction to the bupe. We were fully expecting to have to be up all night biting our nails waiting to see if he'd eat anything, but he was very excited about food and ate right away. πŸ₯³πŸ₯³πŸ₯³ It's possible the Cerenia injection helped, but I really think just not having his mouth hurt is what made the difference. I fully think my gut was right. We gave Cerenia, ondansetron and Mirataz yesterday to literally no effect (and they said the injection wasn't necessarily any stronger, just faster).

This morning we gave him all 3 liquid meds ourselves and yeah, it's hard. Never seen him hate anything so much, it takes 2 of us and it was very difficult. Also hate having to stick our fingers in his poor sore mouth!

SO, that leads me to the unfortunate note that we're just gonna have to pause insulin until stuff calms down. If we try to do all that while he's getting these oral meds twice/day he'll never let us near him again. We're all traumatized, especially him. Also, just feel like it's too much to have to manage all those meds and how high they make him on top of managing insulin when it's not positive yet that he will consistently eat.

So... so far so good. I am so, so happy that he's here with me, cuddling and purring and with a full belly instead of in a cold metal kennel wondering why we'd abandoned him. If I'd had to (and could afford it) I would have done it, but I just couldn't stand the idea of him being so sad and afraid and alone. 😭

Thank you all again for your support yesterday. I read each and every comment, even if I didn't end up being able to respond to it. πŸ’œπŸ’œπŸ’œ

Pic is from the night before all this happened, but it's cute. 😊

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OMG, what an ordeal. You are such a great advocate for him.

Just my thought, but just follow up with your regular vet. These emerg hospitals are great when they're needed but... (I won't post my rant here).

Please let us know how he's doing. I was kinda sick with worry for you both, and then saw your SS update, and was so glad you brought him home to treat.
 
OMG, what an ordeal. You are such a great advocate for him.

Just my thought, but just follow up with your regular vet. These emerg hospitals are great when they're needed but... (I won't post my rant here).

Please let us know how he's doing. I was kinda sick with worry for you both, and then saw your SS update, and was so glad you brought him home to treat.
I advocated for him 1000x more than I do for myself! I just kept thinking "What if we can't afford this, put him down and it was just his damn mouth? What if I have to live with wishing I'd just said something?"

Unless he takes a huge turn for the worse we're absolutely planning on following up with the regular vet. Only reason we didn't contact them was that they were closed, so this was just interim care. I couldn't deal with him being in so much pain or obviously have him not eating for days until they were open again! He has a followup for his dental already scheduled for the 6th, but I also plan to just let them know what happened so they're informed. Assuming the meds are working and he seems fine, we'll wait for the scheduled appointment. If not, we'll get a sooner one.

Aww, sooo sorry that you were worried about us! 😭 The end of the day ended up being chaotic and we were all traumatized and exhausted, so I never made it back for an update or to finish his spreadsheet.
 
You're amazing, and so strong when the moment demands it.

Honestly, I thought initially when you posted about the meds your vet sent Xander home with, that it didn't seem like enough. I always demand things for the "what ifs", so have more pain meds, and anti-nausea medication in the medicine chest if need be.

I'd suggest calling or emailing your vet first thing on Monday to let them know what happened, to keep them up-to-date, so you don't have to tell your story when you get there. And the vet can request Xander's info from the hospital, or you can contact the hospital and request they send the info to your vet. This info is your; you own it, as you probably already know.
 
Hi Brianna, I’m so happy to read that Xander is at home πŸ’œ I was thinking about all of you last night. Awesome job advocating for him!

Xander is very sensitive soul and the level of pain he was experiencing was just too much. I hope with each day, he continues to heal and feel better β€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή

Wishing you a calm Sunday and hope you can all rest after the trauma of the last week πŸ€—
 
You're amazing, and so strong when the moment demands it.

Honestly, I thought initially when you posted about the meds your vet sent Xander home with, that it didn't seem like enough. I always demand things for the "what ifs", so have more pain meds, and anti-nausea medication in the medicine chest if need be.

I'd suggest calling or emailing your vet first thing on Monday to let them know what happened, to keep them up-to-date, so you don't have to tell your story when you get there. And the vet can request Xander's info from the hospital, or you can contact the hospital and request they send the info to your vet. This info is your; you own it, as you probably already know.
Aww, thank you! I tried. πŸ₯Ί He deserved to be advocated for.

I also felt like it wasn't enough, but the bit of research I did I found people talking about Onisor being "better for extractions" because it helped with the inflammation, etc. But yeah, I also felt like 3 days of an NSAID was... not much for eight extractions. For one, maybe, but eight?! I do have Cerenia, ondansetron and Mirataz all on hand, so fortunately I at least had that (though it made 0 difference yesterday).

I definitely plan on emailing them and letting them know! The emergency vet we went to is the one that our vet recommends so I think it'll be easy for them to get records, etc.
 
Hi Brianna, I’m so happy to read that Xander is at home πŸ’œ I was thinking about all of you last night. Awesome job advocating for him!

Xander is very sensitive soul and the level of pain he was experiencing was just too much. I hope with each day, he continues to heal and feel better β€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή

Wishing you a calm Sunday and hope you can all rest after the trauma of the last week πŸ€—

Aw, thank you so much, Kat, for thinking of us! πŸ₯ΊπŸ’œπŸ’œπŸ’œ

He is very, very sensitive and all of that with being on insulin that was working etc was, like you said, just too much. Being in the hospital too would have been awful for him in an even more intense way than probably for others.

Thank you so much for all of the wishes. I hope you and Trixie have a nice, relaxing rest of your weekend!
 
Ohmygoodness Brianna i had no idea this was happening yesterday (I wasn't really on the board), but I'm so glad to read this update.
That must have been so scary but sounds like you did exactly what needed to be done and standing up for your baby is so important and brave (i know how intimidating some of the vets can be).
I'm hoping you're both resting and relaxing today.
We're sending lots and lots of PAWsitive vibes and healing vines!
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So glad to hear this update! And I'm glad you were able to bring him home, even though treating him is a challenge (once, Jude had an antibiotic for a UTI that he hated so much that I had to take him to the vet every day for treatment because I could not administer it--and the vet could hardly administer it either).

I hope that whatever is causing the elevated wbc begins responding well to the antibiotics, and that he begins eating well again for you, and that you can restart his insulin without too much of a pause in treatment. Jude and I are sending all the healing vines to Xander β€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή πŸƒβ€οΈβ€πŸ©ΉπŸŒΏβ€οΈβ€πŸ©ΉπŸƒβ€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή
 
Oh I’m so very relieved you have Xander at home and he’s responding as well as can be hoped, Brianna. I was thinking of you all night long and sending prayers your wayπŸ«‚β€οΈβ€πŸ©ΉπŸ’–

You are such devoted and loving parents to Xander. He’s so lucky to have you both πŸ’

Please give him tons of love from me and Ivy. Sending lots of love and healing vines and good eating wishes as he heals πŸ€πŸ€πŸ€πŸ€πŸ«‚πŸ«‚πŸ«‚πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ’–πŸ’–πŸ’–
Please keep us posted β€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή
 
Sorry you and Xander have been through so much this last week. :bighug::bighug: But I'm thrilled to hear he's at home.

A couple comments. I recently had to do the liquid vs pill choice for Clavamox, and it's actually quite a bit of liquid. My routine was to give some Churu, give some more Churu, then pop in the Clavamox, followed immediately with Churu again. It seemed to make the administration much more tolerated. The other thing about Clavamox, it played havoc on her GI system. If there is anyway you can get probiotics in him, a couple hours apart from the Clavamox, it may help. I had to resort to s. boullardi as the gut reaction was pretty messy. :oops:. Second AB type I chose pills which were way tinier. Routine was give a freeze dried treat, then another one, then a pill in tiny piece of pill pocket, followed immediately by another freeze dried treat. The lesson I learned, make giving meds more than just about giving meds. Distractions help.

I do have to make a comment about your decision to skip insulin. Please test for ketones ASAP. No (too little) insulin + infection or inflammation, plus inappetance are the formula for DKA. I'm glad he's eating so far. You might want to consider doing even a half dose, so he gets some insulin in him. Cats who cannot eat due to getting anaesthesia can still get a half dose. Insulin does more in the body that combat carbs in food.
 
So glad to hear this update! And I'm glad you were able to bring him home, even though treating him is a challenge (once, Jude had an antibiotic for a UTI that he hated so much that I had to take him to the vet every day for treatment because I could not administer it--and the vet could hardly administer it either).

I hope that whatever is causing the elevated wbc begins responding well to the antibiotics, and that he begins eating well again for you, and that you can restart his insulin without too much of a pause in treatment. Jude and I are sending all the healing vines to Xander β€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή πŸƒβ€οΈβ€πŸ©ΉπŸŒΏβ€οΈβ€πŸ©ΉπŸƒβ€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή
Wow! That's really unmanageable. What was so bad about it, flavor? Or just the method?

I hope so too! The vet called and said they're still waiting on the culture, but the initial results don't show anything as far as his urine. Based on how immediately he ate and felt better last night she said she thinks my intuition was right and it was his teeth.

Thank you, Mary!! πŸ€—πŸ’œπŸ’œπŸ’œ
 
Oh I’m so very relieved you have Xander at home and he’s responding as well as can be hoped, Brianna. I was thinking of you all night long and sending prayers your wayπŸ«‚β€οΈβ€πŸ©ΉπŸ’–

You are such devoted and loving parents to Xander. He’s so lucky to have you both πŸ’

Please give him tons of love from me and Ivy. Sending lots of love and healing vines and good eating wishes as he heals πŸ€πŸ€πŸ€πŸ€πŸ«‚πŸ«‚πŸ«‚πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ’–πŸ’–πŸ’–
Please keep us posted β€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή
Thank you so much, Staci!!! Your thoughts and prayers are all appreciated!! πŸ€—πŸ’œπŸ’œπŸ’œ
 
Sorry you and Xander have been through so much this last week. :bighug::bighug: But I'm thrilled to hear he's at home.

A couple comments. I recently had to do the liquid vs pill choice for Clavamox, and it's actually quite a bit of liquid. My routine was to give some Churu, give some more Churu, then pop in the Clavamox, followed immediately with Churu again. It seemed to make the administration much more tolerated. The other thing about Clavamox, it played havoc on her GI system. If there is anyway you can get probiotics in him, a couple hours apart from the Clavamox, it may help. I had to resort to s. boullardi as the gut reaction was pretty messy. :oops:. Second AB type I chose pills which were way tinier. Routine was give a freeze dried treat, then another one, then a pill in tiny piece of pill pocket, followed immediately by another freeze dried treat. The lesson I learned, make giving meds more than just about giving meds. Distractions help.

I do have to make a comment about your decision to skip insulin. Please test for ketones ASAP. No (too little) insulin + infection or inflammation, plus inappetance are the formula for DKA. I'm glad he's eating so far. You might want to consider doing even a half dose, so he gets some insulin in him. Cats who cannot eat due to getting anaesthesia can still get a half dose. Insulin does more in the body that combat carbs in food.
Thanks, Wendy! It's been rough. 😡

The ClavaMox really is a surprising amount of fluid. That one we did last and it seemed the hardest to get him to keep in (maybe because it's also thick and milky). We could try the Churu, but I have a feeling he wouldn't take it. If he's even a little uncomfortable, he won't so much as look at a Churu despite loving them. So far there hasn't seemed to be any bad reaction to the antibiotics (knock on wood), but I'll definitely keep that in mind if we start seeing some! I'm not sure how well a solid pill pocket would work for when his mouth hurts (he's only having pretty watered down pate), but another thing to keep in mind! Thank you!! Distractions do help.

Getting further into the day and seeing his numbers rising I'm thinking I'll do insulin tonight. I may do the half dose like you suggested (at least at first) because I absolutely can't handle worrying about any hypos or anything right now. Fortunately at least as of last night when he had urine drawn there were no ketones, so we're starting from a good point if nothing else.
 
Wow! That's really unmanageable. What was so bad about it, flavor? Or just the method?
It was definitely the taste--apparently, it's not a favorite among most cats. Jude is so large, that I cannot get my hand around his head to steady it, get his mouth open, and dose him with a syringe, so that complicated matters. I've been able to dose him with Clavamox, but I simply could not with that one ab--and it was the only ab that could eradicate the UTI, so he HAD to get it. Let me tell you the worst of it (at least for me): because Jude is so heavy, I ended up damaging a tendon in my wrist carrying him into the vets everyday and ended up requiring surgery. Nightmare.:oops:

FWIW, Harper was just on Clavamox for a month, and the vet suggested s.boulardii, which I gave her to avoid stomach issues. She came through it like a champ, with no problems.
 
It was definitely the taste--apparently, it's not a favorite among most cats. Jude is so large, that I cannot get my hand around his head to steady it, get his mouth open, and dose him with a syringe, so that complicated matters. I've been able to dose him with Clavamox, but I simply could not with that one ab--and it was the only ab that could eradicate the UTI, so he HAD to get it. Let me tell you the worst of it (at least for me): because Jude is so heavy, I ended up damaging a tendon in my wrist carrying him into the vets everyday and ended up requiring surgery. Nightmare.:oops:

FWIW, Harper was just on Clavamox for a month, and the vet suggested s.boulardii, which I gave her to avoid stomach issues. She came through it like a champ, with no problems.
Oh Mary, I’m sorry you went through all of that. And surgery, too 😒
 
It was definitely the taste--apparently, it's not a favorite among most cats. Jude is so large, that I cannot get my hand around his head to steady it, get his mouth open, and dose him with a syringe, so that complicated matters. I've been able to dose him with Clavamox, but I simply could not with that one ab--and it was the only ab that could eradicate the UTI, so he HAD to get it. Let me tell you the worst of it (at least for me): because Jude is so heavy, I ended up damaging a tendon in my wrist carrying him into the vets everyday and ended up requiring surgery. Nightmare.:oops:

FWIW, Harper was just on Clavamox for a month, and the vet suggested s.boulardii, which I gave her to avoid stomach issues. She came through it like a champ, with no problems.

That's insane. I'm so sorry you had to go through that!! What a mess. He apparently really is a big boy. 😳 I'm glad there was a way to manage to give him what he needed, but causing you to need surgery is just... What a disaster.

Thank you for the suggestion! I'll keep an eye out for any sign of issues and try to get ahold of some if I do see a problem.
 
That's insane. I'm so sorry you had to go through that!! What a mess. He apparently really is a big boy. 😳 I'm glad there was a way to manage to give him what he needed, but causing you to need surgery is just... What a disaster.

Thank you for the suggestion! I'll keep an eye out for any sign of issues and try to get ahold of some if I do see a problem.
I agree with this recommendation, Brianna, it was highly suggested when Ivy had pancreatitis and has very, very soft stools. Worked great!!
I now give it as maintenance daily (1/2 capsule in her food, no problem)
Not very expensive, but really good to have in the house if needed immediately. (Amazon sells it or sometimes you can get it locally).

Saccharomyces Boulardii + MOS 5 Billion CFU | Jarrow Formulas
 
I'm so glad to hear you listened to your intuition and managed to get the right help for Xander.
Hope his recovery gets back on track this week, and you can leave the trauma of the last couple days behind you β€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή
 
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