9/10 Templeton PMPS 272 +2.5 153 +3.5 109 +4.5 74 +5.25 84

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smorgasbord

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Upped to 2.25 this morning, of course after oversleeping an hour.
I was asleep by 11pm last night but I've just been so tired, even fell asleep sitting up while waiting to get his PM +2 last night.

He's been favoring steak and turning up his nose to canned, so I'm going to make more of an effort to feed more raw. Watch him not want the meat once I've added the completer!
I'm lucky to have a great local pet store with all the goodies. Also grabbed more bones for broth, we'll see if I have the energy for that today. I make bone broth and add it to his canned instead of water.
Big weekend goals over here!
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This is the meat if anyone is curious:
https://smallbatchpets.com/supplements

I'm hoping it won't be too organ heavy, I'll have to do more research before giving it as his entire diet. This is assuming he will eat it of course.

beef blend
100% beef

beef hearts, beef livers, beef kidneys, beef bones


Moisture (max): 74.8%
Crude Protein (min): 15.49%
Crude Fat (min): 8.1%
Crude Fiber (max): 0.5%
Ash (max): 1.7%
Calcium (min): 0.36%
Phosphorus (min): 0.31%

Approx. 36.8 Calories per ounce
Approx. 10% organ, 10% bone
Bone Grind: 3/16”
 
Nice goodies!!!! The real test will be if he eats it next week. I just looked at site and see they have it at near me, I just left the store, if I'd known I might have picked up one. This stores doesn't have fresh or frozen food out where you can see them. You have to ask and they take you to the freezer/cooler in the back store room. It's not a habit for me as my cats usually like human food.
 
Lots of B vitamins and more in all of that. Maybe do a little research before making this the complete diet. I was talking to the local all natural pet place the other day and she mentioned them needing an even amount of organ and muscle meat.
 
Heather82372 said:
Lots of B vitamins and more in all of that. Maybe do a little research before making this the complete diet. I was talking to the local all natural pet place the other day and she mentioned them needing an even amount of organ and muscle meat.
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Yeah, it's funny, the woman who helped me at the store was VERY concerned when she saw me buying a package of organ meats as a treat. She wanted to make sure I wasn't feeding that to my pet as a complete diet. She then told me the Small Batch Pets with EZ Complete would be perfect, and not too much organ meat. But I can't base his diet decision on one person, so further research to be done.
 
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Yeah, it's funny, the woman who helped me at the store was VERY concerned when she saw me buying a package of organ meats as a treat. She wanted to make sure I wasn't feeding that to my pet as a complete diet. She then told me the Small Batch Pets with EZ Complete would be perfect, and not too much organ meat. But I can't base his diet decision on one person, so further research to be done.
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I've been concerned about one of my kitties (pancreatitis and possible IBD) getting enough B12. She strongly recommended that I go buy calf liver, boil it in a little water and give that to him throughout the day. She called it liver water. I mentioned to her that many people give B12 injections because oral B12 wouldn't be absorbed with IBD. She disagreed and said most B12 people are using is synthetic. I don't know... but I guess it doesn't hurt to try the liver water and see.
 
I’m working right now but just quickly: do not use EZ Complete with anything other than plain boneless ground meat. Using it with anything with liver or bone will make it imbalanced as EZ C already contains liver and eggshell calcium.
 
smorgasbord said:
Previous: 9/9 Templeton AMPS 339 +2 264 +4 198 +7 152 PMPS 419 +2 378

Upped to 2.25 this morning, of course after oversleeping an hour.
I was asleep by 11pm last night but I've just been so tired, even fell asleep sitting up while waiting to get his PM +2 last night.

He's been favoring steak and turning up his nose to canned, so I'm going to make more of an effort to feed more raw. Watch him not want the meat once I've added the completer!
I'm lucky to have a great local pet store with all the goodies. Also grabbed more bones for broth, we'll see if I have the energy for that today. I make bone broth and add it to his canned instead of water.
Big weekend goals over here!
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You really do not need to go to all that trouble. It is unnecessary. My cat has been on a raw meat diet his whole life. I have also volunteered at a wild animal sanctuary for over 20 years.

Just give your cat a varied diet like others suggested. Mine eats chicken gizzards and hearts, beef heart and steak and kidneys, chicken, turkey, salmon. You can mix powdered vitamins like Missing Link Veterinary formula into his raw food. Cut the meat up with poultry scissors. They are very sharp and will have it done in less than a minute. Wal-Mart sells them for 88 cents. You can also add powdered bone meal for calcium. You don't need to make broth or go to all that trouble.
 
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ETA: I think bone broth would be high in phosphorus - that is, if Temp has any issues with CKD. Don't see anything on your Signature.
@PerfumedCatMom please confirm if my understanding is correct?
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I don't know that bone broth is bad for CKD. I think the phos levels in it are minimal according to @Wendy&Neko.

I wrote a whole thing in Think Tank about using meal completers with raw meat. It may be helpful to you starting out: https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/raw-feeding-senior-kitties.248460/
 
PerfumedCatMom said:
I’m working right now but just quickly: do not use EZ Complete with anything other than plain boneless ground meat. Using it with anything with liver or bone will make it imbalanced as EZ C already contains liver and eggshell calcium.
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Thank you! I was thinking of asking, but I know you have a lot on your plate. Didn't take more than a few minutes of reading your thread to realize these two do not play together at all.

Regarding bone broth, you're essentially dissolving bone, so yes, it will contain a good amount of phosphorus. The amount in the final broth would depend on how long one decides to cook the broth. It is too bad the numbers are all over the place online and there is no clear answer to the true amount.
 
Scdal said:
You really do not need to go to all that trouble. It is unnecessary. My cat has been on a raw meat diet his whole life. I have also volunteered at a wild animal sanctuary for over 20 years.

Just give your cat a varied diet like others suggested. Mine eats chicken gizzards and hearts, beef heart and steak and kidneys, chicken, turkey, salmon. You can mix powdered vitamins like Missing Link Veterinary formula into his raw food. Cut the meat up with poultry scissors. They are very sharp and will have it done in less than a minute. Wal-Mart sells them for 88 cents. You can also add powdered bone meal for calcium. You don't need to make broth or go to all that trouble.
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I enjoy making the broth. It's just a whole thing. Gotta set up the cooking station outside to sear and then monitor for hours and hours. Makes for the best Pho though.

What is all that trouble? Calculating the proper amount of heart so that his kidneys don't have too much trouble processing out the extra taurine, and not too much liver, but gotta have enough muscle meat, and don't forget about the selenium and manganese.

Sounds like more trouble when you're starting out making your own raw food than buying meat and a completer.
 
Heather82372 said:
I've been concerned about one of my kitties (pancreatitis and possible IBD) getting enough B12. She strongly recommended that I go buy calf liver, boil it in a little water and give that to him throughout the day. She called it liver water. I mentioned to her that many people give B12 injections because oral B12 wouldn't be absorbed with IBD. She disagreed and said most B12 people are using is synthetic. I don't know... but I guess it doesn't hurt to try the liver water and see.
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Beef liver is a great source of B12. IIRC .3oz to meet recommended daily B12 for a cat. I'd imagine calf liver would be higher, yes. That's a really good idea. Why won't oral B12 be absorbed by IBD patients? Because of stomach acid reducers they take?
Well, yes, most B12 is synthetic to a degree, in that it is not in the actual food product. But perhaps she is confused or doesn't understand the science behind the different forms of B12. Cyanocobalmin is cobalmin bound to cyanide to stabilize it, and often that frightens people. Maybe that's what she's referencing?
I think liver water sounds like a great idea, easier than boiling bones for hours!
 
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