8/4 Gracie PMPS 254 +2 268 +4 261

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Marje and Gracie

Marje and Gracie

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Gracie's Yesterday

8/3 Recap
AMPS: 3246th cycle sk1u
+2: 310
+4: 300
+10: 337
PMPS: 278 7th cycle sk1u
+1: 293
+2: 259
+4: 214
+6: 273

Good morning Lantus Land and welcome to Fursday. Our prayers go out to all who need them this morning and we're hoping all LL kitties are better especially Rocket, Simon, Chester and any others. I'm sorry if I missed your baby's name but work has kept me from visiting many condos this week. Congrats to Cow and Junior on OTJ and Gracie and Tobey can't wait for the party!

So I told her last night she might get a dosecrease. Daddybean faithfully waited up until +6 only to see her head back up. Thankfully, she stayed out of yesterday morning's ugly color. But she earned herself a dosecrease. Yesterday was the first day since July 10 that she didn't have a cycle in the healing range. I thought perhaps she was still in a bit of a bounce but after last night's cycle, it was clear she was not. So....I took her back up to her chubby 1u because she did so great on it and we need to get that momentum back. She was a little sleepy this morning at first...I can tell the higher numbers affect her esp when she had had so much time in the healing numbers. But she got up, played with her little toy quail and bathed it while waiting for her juice and breffis, headbutted a few toys, wrestled a bit with Tobey, and is now back here in the office with me. She is so hysterical when she goes up her condos. They all have levels that she could jump from one to the other. But no....she has to do it the "Gracie" way and she climbs up the back (the tallest post) like a little monkey.

Off to TBP for me. I still have a few weeks but only 15 actual working days. Yippee!!! Have a great day. Tomorrow I will be able to get to condos...finally. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Well, you did warn her!!! I hope she gets back to those healing numbers quickly, without too much drama. I can't wait to see what happens today...
 
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Good luck with the chubby 1u dose. I love that phrase! I hope Gracie gets her momentum back. So cute with Gracie and the condos. I need to get Maggie a new one. Have a nice day.
 
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She did warn you, Gracie! Good luck on the chubby 1u. She does seem to like the dose, it'w just a matter of time until she will give it up.

Gracie, back to Camp Stu! Look at all those kitters on trial! We gots to come up w/ lots of new recipes. Hey I found hammocks we can chillax in later. -- Tess
 
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Glad you gave a dose crease those chubbys are really helpful! Moonie was good on a chubby 0.5 for a bit--
Gracie has been doing so well! No need to worry--She'll come down--Have a beautiful Fursday!
Lubs & Hugs from us!! :mrgreen:
 
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Awwww Miss Gracie sounds so cute, playing with her toys and kitty condo. Good luck with the new dose. 15 days of work left?!?!?!?! Wahoo Marje! You must be so excited.

Have a great day!
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 NEW DOSE...I promised :)

Hi guys .. well hopefully with that extra bit of juice gracie will start coming back down again .. sounds like she has had a pretty good morning so far! Have a great day!
 
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Dh here - Really happy to see her back in blue. I'm pretty sure this isn't the c1u talking yet. It will be interesting to see where she goes the rest of the day and tonight. No sliding into PMPS please.
 
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Hello Mike!! Pretty blue for Gracie today huh? Hope she just surfs along for you!

Marj - I have no idea what you must be feeling. 15 days. Wow!!
 
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We are still looking for that magic bullet that will help us control Gracie's dropping numbers and low numbers. We've tried LC with karo (works pretty well), LC with gravy, MC, HC, etc. One problem is we don't always get the same response although the LC with karo seems to work best for her. But we worry about using karo....not the best option for a diabetic unless she actually is hypo.

Patty asked me if I thought honey might work for her. I know honey has a medium glycemic index and a fairly low glycemic load so it should not spike the BG as much. I have no idea what the GI and GL for karo is....I've looked but couldn't find it. Interestingly, I found that premium ice cream has a fairly low GI and GL; I know when someone has some really low numbers, we tell them to use karo, honey, ice cream, etc. to get the numbers up. I have to laugh at the thought of giving Gracie ice cream to bring up low numbers. We know it is all trial and error...but my question is, does anyone know about using honey and whether it is more effective, less likely to spike BG, etc. I know..ECID and we have to try it with Gracie. But in general, is there any reason why honey might not be something to just try?

Thanks so much!
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Uing Honey??

wow, i have no idea. perhaps if you just TOLD her you were getting the honey she'd get herself back down in the greens!
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Uing Honey??

Just gonna throw this one out at ya....What about Agave Nectar?

Or just tell Miss Gracie she's sweet enough w/the extra sugar. :)
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Uing Honey??

I have used honey more than karo actually. It doesn't seem tp spike his BGs as much. Last night I used karo and was just thinking I should have used honey since I ended up with HI AMPS.
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Using Honey??

Regular corn syrup has a GI of 100, and high fructose corn syrup's GI is 56.
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Uing Honey??

Maybe my reasoning is off here, but when Tess drops too fast or goes too low I was giving her HC food. Then decided to try syrup (Golden Syrup from cane, because that's what I had) because the effects of the HC lasted so long. I found that effect of syrup was gone in 2 hours, for Tess. If it was still before her usual nadir and she started to drop again I would give her another drop. Literally one drop. Later on I tried honey because it was easier to handle. I got a more predictable result from the syrup.

Marje, I know you worry about it not keeping Gracie up, but that isn't what it is for. It is for a quick boost. If the event goes on, give another short boost to get past nadir. I think there is less carry over than HC and we have had less severe bounces when we use it. No sugar is good for a FD kitty, but I go for the one that is out of their system the fastest.

I really don't know about the glycemic index but this might help:
Karo = dextrose and glucose glycemic load for 1oz. =12
Honey = fructose (38.5%) and glucose (31%) glycemic load for 1oz. =14
Cane sugar = 50% fructose & 50% glucose glycemic load for 1oz. =12
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Using Honey??

Karo is not pure corn syrup which would have a glycemic index of 100. I'm glad Ann could find more info on Karo than I could! Agave may have a lower glycemic index but it can effect triglyceride levels -- although, it's not like we'd be feeding tons of it.
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Using Honey??

Hmmmmm…… what the Karo site said was that Karo was not "High fructose corm syrup" which has added fruit sugars, but just plain corn syrup.
What is corn syrup?

Corn syrup is a mildly sweet, concentrated solution of dextrose and other sugars derived from corn starch. It is naturally sweet. Corn syrup contains between 15% to 20% dextrose (glucose) and a mixture of various other types of sugar.

Is high fructose corn syrup the same as corn syrup?

No. high fructose corn syrup and corn syrup are distinctly different products. When Karo was introduced in 1902, it did not contain high fructose corn syrup. Sometime in the 1970's, it was added to the Karo light and pancake syrups. As a result of consumer requests, the high fructose corn syrup has now been removed and all Karo products are high fructose corn syrup free.
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Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Using Honey??

I was curious about Marje's question and scanned several websites. Their info may be dated. However, would those "other sugars" have an effect on the overall properties of Karo? Beats me!
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Using Honey??

Interesting stuff here... and worth the read. good luck with the honey - I hear several people here use it, rather than the karo. and finding that magic bullet. I've ended up going back to just a couple of basic foods. PluS a few for when we need a boost.

Good luck with the new dose too, I hope it lowers Gracie to the levels that you want to see. She did well with it before, if memory serves me correctly.

have a good night guys!
 
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Wow...you all are awesome! I also found the info on corn syrup not being the same as high fructose corn syrup. When reading the label on the Karo, it has salt and vanilla.....I'm sure it's a small amt but still....

The other thing I read about sugar, syrups, honey, etc, is that you don't just look at their GI and GL alone because they are usually eaten with other foods which might offset the numbers for those simple carbs. AND I don't think we've ever had a cycle where she got a total of more than about 1ml of karo. We usually will give her a couple drops and if she has a really low number, then we'll give her .5 ml.

Ann: you are right...I know the karo/syrup/honey is not to keep her up but to get her up. Sienne had a good suggestion and it was exactly the same as yours. One more drop.

I think we are going to try the honey because we have it but I might get some golden cane syrup to compare.

Thanks to all...time for dinner.
 
Re: 8/4 Gracie AMPS 283 +2 265 +4 190 +6 193 Uing Honey??

Tena and Curry said:
Just gonna throw this one out at ya....What about Agave Nectar?
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I was going to toss this same idea out there...it's supposedly better for diabetics than other sweeteners, so I wonder if it would bring her up without spiking her.
 
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hahaha - if you are still up and not exhausted, you should look at casey bear's condo. christie is trying to give her the (imho) ugliest patience pants ever. you hold the gold standard on the beautiful ones, of course.

let's see - thursday night - does that mean you're on duty so mike can sleep? looks like gracie's giving you the night off!

interesting discussion about the honey/karo.
 
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OK Gracie it's time to start making use of that extra juice.

The honey or the Karo don't cause the spike. The HC food and the panicky liver cause the spike.
 
Hi Michelle, Ann, Amy, and Julie:

Sorry...major deadbeat here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm so pooped out that Mike put his trip up in giveaway so someone else got it. I laid down at 9:30 and just got up to see what her +4 was and we're both headed to bed.

Thanks for all the info. I'm a little leery of the agave nectar and will try the honey and/or golden cane.

Julie: :lol: :lol: I gotta check it out before I go back to bed.

Ni Ni all.....you are the bestest.
 
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