8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53+5~59

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Re: 8/26/12 Max AMPS 71

Very nice, Max!
Dale, don't know if you caught my question about fluids at the tail end of yesterday's condo... but I have another one. Does Max get them on a scheduled basis? Or is there some trigger or indicator that tells you "hmmm, looks like it's a good day for Max to imitate a humpty-back camel"?

Hope you have a nice peaceful and sunny Sunday, and that Emma's teeth don't drive her crazy:-)
Carl
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max AMPS 71

Yay for Max! :mrgreen: Have a nice day Dale.

Dale, thanks on the tummy massage directions. I just saw your post in my condo today, thanks.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max AMPS 71 +2.75~52

Ann, I assume the tummy massage would be the same for animals, at least mammals. I think most of us have a clockwise apparatus in there, and that's the reason for the U shaped effort. I hope Maggie feels better soon.

Carl, No, there is no schedule, but I don't do it often enough, I know that. I've been trying to get an idea of what sort of schedule would be needed now that his BG is low, and I haven't had the focus. It think once a week would be about right probably.

EDITED: I see your question - do I see a difference in his numbers after squids? I think so, although I really can't tell. Back when he bounced all the time it was pretty hard to see any difference I could attribute to squids. Sometimes I would think so, but now that I understand the shed's operation more, I think back and say, "No, that could have been the shed or the bounce clearing or both, and there is no way to say it was the squids for sure."

Now, given that he just had a number of on-time shots and his shed should be just right or overflowing, I still won't be able to tell if it was the squids. His number came down drastically immediately after the subQ administration. However, the fluids don't enter his system until at least a few hours later, and he's not fully hydrated until at least 6 to 8 hours later. So, it was not the squids that brought his BG down this time. They could be helping it stay down as of this morning! END EDIT

He has his fountain all the time except when Emma decides to put her shoes into it or to float something else in it WHILE he's trying to get a drink. She doesn't notice it's there until Max wants to use it. Then, she has to be all over it getting water on my wood floor, etc. He walks off when she does this, and I get her out of the way, pick him up and put his back at the fountain. Then, he does drink.

How are you and your kitties, Carl?
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max AMPS 71 +2.75~52 +3.25~57 +4~57

Max sleeps on an office chair with his head hanging completely off the chair. He's fast asleep with his eyes half open. It is so odd! I have to gently wake him to test him so as to not startle him.

He's probably going to surf in the 50s until he goes back up. I have to leave in an hour, and I hope he'll be firmly in the 60s by then. We have a birthday party at three o'clock for three little kids who are all turning three. They aren't triplets; I don't think they are even related to each other. It should be an absolute zoo, and I know Emma will have a great time. Now, she needs a nap!
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max AMPS 71 +2.75~52 +3.25~57 +4~57 +5~57

He's steady. I brought him downstairs and put food in front of him, and he's eating. I think, I hope, it's safe to leave him for a couple of hours.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max AMPS 71 +2.75~52 +3.25~57 +4~57 +5~57

Hi Dale,

Me and the boys are doing really well, thank you for asking. :smile:

Hope you and Emma had fun at the "3 x 3" party!

Carl
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max AMPS 71 +2.75~52 +3.25~57 +4~57 +5~57

Nice smooth green surfing for Max today! hope the triple party was fun and you have great evening.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45

Wow, and here it was, a slow night :-)
Carl
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59

I'd do 30, Dale
Carl
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59

59 was @ +3, jane
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59

Sorry, jane ohmygod_smile

His nadir... max seems to not like predictability. Sometimes +6, but Dale has had to feed a few drops lately which cloud up the picture.
C
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59

Nadir is usually around +3 or not later than +4, but when I get a below 50, I'm too worried to count on that unless I get something near 60 or 65, and I keep worrying until +4.5 at least.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59

Dale,
After yesterday's discussion, do you take the reduction now? Shave it a bit? Glad you didn't increase. nailbite_smile
Carl
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59 +3.5~59

Plus 3.5 is 59

Pretty exciting that he got a number below 50, huh? This was his 10th on-time shot in a row, but he had a crazy evening last night with +10.5~169 +10.75~191 PMPS~163 +1.75~92 +2.5~75.

I'm wondering about the reduction myself, Carl. I think I should take a reduction. How much is the question. Right, I wasn't comfortable increasing given the late shots within the last 12 cycles. I really thought he was flirting with getting another reduction on 8/13, 8/16, 8/20 and 8/21 -- all days he had a number in the 50s.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59

Surfin' the fifties:-)
How confident do you feel about being able to get a consistent dose at these minute amounts? Would .5 be easier that trying to find a middle ground? I can't see well enough, so I'm glad I never had to tweak doses much.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59

Finally managed a look at SS. I agree it's time to reduce. A fat 0.5u is fairly easy to measure consistently, I find - if you want to go for the extra-gentle reduction?

Jane
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

He's at 53 at +4. I could be up for another hour! Ugh! He's eating again right now. Maybe in 1/2 an hour he'll have a higher number.

Ok, Jane, how do I get a Fat 0.5? Most recently, I have been putting the top of the plunger just under the bottom of the 0.5 line.

Blind as a bat, Carl, blind as a bat, I am!
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

You at least have half unit markings, right? U40 Syringes didn't :-)
Why didn't the makers of Lantus think of making it some other color than "none"?
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

max&emmasmommie said:
He's at 53 at +4. I could be up for another hour! Ugh! He's eating again right now. Maybe in 1/2 an hour he'll have a higher number. Ok, Jane, how do I get a Fat 0.5? Most recently, I have been putting the top of the plunger just under the bottom of the 0.5 line.
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Hmm, just to make sure I get what you're saying: There's the 1.0u line (call it Line A), then the 0.5u line (Line B), and the 0.0u line (Line C). You've been pushing the plunger from Line A to Line B, stopping just shy of Line B (i.e., top of plunger closer to 1.0u than to 0.0u), yes?

The way I've always done it, a "fat 0.5u" would be essentially what you've been shooting (plunger almost but not quite aligned with Line B, coming from Line A - if I read you right). To do an extra-gentle reduction from there, I would push the plunger a tad further (in direction of 0.0u, Line C), so that it *just* aligns with the top of that line-marking. (Pushing it *just* PAST the top of that line would then amount to a skinny 0.5u in my understanding).

Does that make sense? (Again, from what you describe, it sounds like you were shooting more of a fat0.5u than a "plain" 0.5u :mrgreen:)
Jane
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Had a quick look at the "New to the Group" Sticky:

"Fine dose gradations from Steve and Jock:
0.5U = exactly half a unit
0.4U = skinny 0.5 touching the line
0.3U = skinny 0.5 with daylight under the line
0.2U = fat zero with daylight over the line
0.1U = fat zero touching the line"

So, the fat/skinny doses are measured *just* over/under the line markings.

FAT 0.5u would be: (top of) plunger *just* touching the bottom of the 0.5u-Line, seen from the 1.0u-Line (meaning, top of plunger is closer to 1.0u than to 0.0u).

SKINNY 0.5u would be: (top of) plunger *just* past the top of the 0.5u-Line, seen from the 1.0u-Line (meaning, top of plunger is closer to 0.0u than to 1.0u).

Does that make it easier? Ha! Prolly not :lol:
Jane
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Dale,
In the "new to the group" sticky, there's a picture of what .75u should look like. If you can compare that to what you've been shooting, and to exactly .5u, is there room between the two for a different dose?
Carl
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Carl & Bob said:
Dale, In the "new to the group" sticky, there's a picture of what .75u should look like. If you can compare that to what you've been shooting, and to exactly .5u, is there room between the two for a different dose? Carl
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That's the picture.
J.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

At +4.5 he was at 51. We are closing in on +5 in 6 minutes.

Hmm, I've been trying to give him 0.75 all this time by following some instructions I saw on the board at some point. What I've been doing is what Jane describes as a Fat 0.5. Was it not 0.75?

I was intending to take the next reduction by aligning the top of the plunger with the top of the 0.5 line, essentially blocking the line from view with the black plunger. I thought that would be 0.5u.

On the Relion syringes the plunger is very thick, and it obscures so much. If I'm very careful, I can get the plunger in a position that allows me to just barely see daylight between the TOP of the 0.5 line and the bottom of the plunger WITHOUT pushing the plunger as far as it will go to the zero line. I'm guessing that when I have the plunger right there -- when I can see daylight between the 0.5 line and the bottom of the plunger -- that's 0.25u.

Steve and Jock's gradations don't make sense to me, but it is the middle of the night, and I was awakened out of a deep sleep by an alarm 2 hours ago . . . :smile: Let's hope I can go to 0.5 for this next round, and then 0.25 works for the reduction after that. I have my doubts about whether trying to dose in 0.1 increments is going to really be possible with these syringes.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Sorry Dale, hope I didn't confuse matters (or you)!

Did you see the picture Carl mentioned and I posted? Were you shooting something that looked like that picture? Or was your plunger closer to the 0.5u line than in the picture?

IF you shot what's in the picture, it was 0.75u. IF you shot with your plunger closer to the 0.5u line marking, chances are you were shooting more of a "FAT 0.5u".

Now, to reduce a bit more, you could push the plunger a bit further still towards the zero-unit marking, so that it passes the bottom of the 0.5u line-marking and touches or *just* passes (without showing daylight) the top of the 0.5u line-marking.

Does that help?
Sorry if it doesn't - just trying to clarify! :shock:
Jane

ETA: DO you have the link to the instructions you used?
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Hmm, I've been trying to give him 0.75 all this time by following some instructions I saw on the board at some point. What I've been doing is what Jane describes as a Fat 0.5. Was it not 0.75
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Really, though, no matter what you have been shooting, as long as it's been the same each time, and as long as you shoot less going forward, it's a reduction, right? You can still call it .75, and .5, and most likely, you'll only have to figure out one more reduction after this one.

Carl
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Jane,

Yep, I was shooting a Fat 0.5, not 0.75. I can do as you say, and it does help to clarify.

EDITED: No, I don't have a link for the instructions. At the time I was looking over that stuff, it was very theoretical to me, and I had no idea anyone had figured out how to dose in less than .25 increments with these syringes. END EDIT

He's at 59 at +5. I think it's safe to go to bed as long as he has food to eat. He could be in the 50s for the next 2 or 3 hours.

Thank you both! EDITED TO ADD: You have been soooo helpful as usual! Yes, Carl, no matter, he's doing fine even if I didn't give him 0.75 this whole time. Have a wonderful night, Carl, and a great day, Jane! Give your kitties some pets from me.
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

max&emmasmommie said:
Jane, Yep, I was shooting a Fat 0.5, not 0.75. I can do as you say, and it does help to clarify.

He's at 59 at +5. I think it's safe to go to bed as long as he has food to eat. He could be in the 50s for the next 2 or 3 hours. Thank you both!
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OK, thanks :mrgreen: Phew, glad I didn't earn a wet noodle with my theoretical ramblings :lol: (Do we still do wet noodles around here?)

As Carl says: Even though you've been shooting more a "Fat 0.5u" - as long as you reduce a bit more (as discussed and re-described endlessly...sorry again!) for the next few cycles and can be consistent with that new dose, you're fine. And he's right: probably only one more reduction before You-Know-What Time! :mrgreen:

Leaving food out sounds good! Ni-ni, have a good sleepus!
Hugs,
Jane
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Good night, Dale...
5am here, so "night is a relative term.:-) But tomorrow is No Alarm Monday, so the clock pretty much doesn't matter.
Carl
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Re-described endlessly is good, for me at least! No wet noodles for you!

Uh, I'm afraid those sort of pets would get EATEN! Actually, I once had two cats who were quite young and didn't hunt. We had a vole (sort of like a mole, but really small) living in the wall by the front door. There was a little hole there in the wall just like on Tom and Jerrry. It would come out at night, run across the floor to the cat food bowl, take a piece, and run back in its hole in the wall. Then, it would come out again and again until it had the stash it needed. The cats would follow it with their noses to its rear back and forth and back and forth. They never tried to harm it, and it didn't appear to be afraid of them. It wasn't afraid of me, either. So funny.

Good night!
 
Re: 8/26/12 Max PMPS~88+2.5~45 +3~59+3.5~59 +4~53

Carl, you get to sleep in!?! How about you come to my house and wake up with the baby at 7:30, and I'll sleep in? :lol: Goodnight!
 
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