8/13 CharlieAMPS 302+2 344Sedated after vet PMPS 430 +3 347

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Looks like Charlie is starting a bounce this morning. Makes me wonder if she went low last night between +4 and +7?
I also wonder that because of a few small things:
- I had left a bowl of food out when we went to bed last night. When I woke up to test at +2, it was completely gone.
- Left out more food after that, and she continued to eat it over the next hour or 2 (it was as if she needed more than usual for that time of night).
- Charlie also seemed to have low energy for all her tests last night after +2. It was like she was a wet noodle, just letting me do whatever I needed to.
- This morning, Charlie's left eye is doing weird things (closing and falling periodically in a weird way).

Maybe this is unrelated, but I'm just thinking this could have happened since she is spiking this morning again?

I will work from home today so I can go to the vet at 12:30 for the urine culture and sensitivity test. Hope it will not be too much of a drama as I am SERIOUSLY exhausted from the late night blood tests. How do working people do this and maintain sanity?

Have a great day everyone, and we'll keep you posted on how she's doing and what we hear at the vet.

Jill
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344

Good morning, Jill!

You're a star for keeping up with the testing the way you are - well done! I'm sorry to read that Charlie's been seeming a bit off, and I'm so glad you're able to get her to the vet for that urine c/s test. (About the eye-thing: I've seen the same thing happen to our Magpie, and to Luca, when they've been racing through the garden, running up and down trees and having little twigs and suchlike snapping into their faces, or having little bits of dust/dirt in their eyes. I'm hopeful that Charlie's eye is just irritated by some speck of dust or something like that. Good thing she's going to the vet, that way you can probably rule anything else out. Fingers crossed.)

Sending you good-vet-visit vines! Keep us updated when you can - enquiring minds want to know :mrgreen:
Jane
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344

Thanks Jane. Everything I read about Magpie makes her seem like Charlie's long lost cousin. Let's hope you're right and it's just a minor irritation from dust or something. I will definitely keep you all posted as you guys are all helping me in a major way. Happy Monday!
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344

Yay for low pinks! Much better than a r-d start. Paws crossed for a good vetty visit.
Liz
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344

Hi guys .. ok charlie, that's high enough, come back down please! Good luck at the vets today, hope the visit is stress/drama free for you guys .. I hope you guys have a great day!
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet appointment, now seda

Hi guys,

Today was heartbreaking at the vet (or I'm just an old softie). Little bit of both, I guess.

The vet was unable to get my little tiger to take urine via cystocentisis. Charlie was biting, kicking, and SCREAMING at the top of her lungs. It was impossible so we decided to proceed with giving her a sedative so she could calm down enough to make this possible.

Unfortunately, it turned Charlie into a little rag doll in my arms. I almost bawled watching this. I imagined this is how I'll feel if one day I have to put her to sleep (holding her and just watching her as she lie there, lifeless). It was AWFUL.

The good news is the vet was able to take urine. The bad news is, it will take 10-14 days for the lab to analyze the urine to decide what sort of antibiotic to give her for the infection.

The vet said that giving Charlie this sedative may elevate her blood sugar for a day or 2. So I'm not planning to do a whole heck of a lot of testing (especially tonight when she seems so tired still).

While Charlie was down for the count, our vet also tried to draw blood. She tried from about 3-4 different places, and didn't succeed. That part we will have to save for another day.

Needless to say, Charlie is now completely not herself. She is stumbling around the apartment and still sedated. We decided NOT to give her any blood tests from noon until the PMPS.

However, here's my question:

- What if we are unable to draw blood as well this evening at 7pm? In that case, do we refrain from giving insulin this evening until she's back to normal tomorrow morning?

Thanks in advance for your input,
Jill
 

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Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet appointment, now seda

oh gosh, no advice from me about testing but poor you and poor charlie!! I can't imagine being there if my kitty was sedated .. I hope it wears off soon for her ...
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet appointment, now seda

Awww, I'm sorry you had to go through this. I hope someone answers your dose/shot question soon.

Hugs!
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet appointment, now seda

I have made a decision that if I can't get a PMPS shot tonight and know exactly where Charlie stands, I will not give her insulin tonight. It's not worth it.

If she tests in the reds, I will give her .75 for certain.

If she tests in the pinks, I will give her .75 most likely.

If she tests in the blues or greens, on this particular night where she's weak and not normal, I will not give her anything.

This seems like a plan I can live with that has the least amount of risk involved.

I want to keep the lantus shed full, but not at the risk of a hypo on a night when Charlie is sedated and her system is challenged already.
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet appointment, now seda

Poor Charlie, she was just so scared! Anesthesia can lower the BG so I would do at least one or two tests to see how she is reacting. Tess gets urinary infections and our vet starts her on a general antibiotic if they are sure it is an infection (they can test part of the sample for the presence of bacteria, just can't tell which one), they usually are pretty good at guessing which one to use. If the test comes back for a different bacteria they can always change to a different antibiotic. That way she has a good chance of getting rid of the nasty buggers sooner.
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet now sedated, PMPS 430

Hi Ann & Tess,

Our vet already gave a general antibiotic a few weeks ago (7 day antibiotic) and it didn't work. This is why she is doing the urine culture and sensitivity test. She says it takes about 10-14 days because what they do is observe the urine in the lab to sort of grow the bacteria, as then they know which kind it is. In the meantime, we are giving Charlie something called "bladder comp".

The reason is, my vet observed the results of Charlie's blood test that was done from our previous vet. From the blood test, it appears that there is no infection. It's just from the urine test that she has observed the white blood cells, so she specifically thinks it may be a bladder infection. Since Charlie exhibits no signs of bladder infection (straining when peeing, peeing outside the litter box, peeing in extremely small amounts), we don't know actually. Maybe she could have something else going on than a bladder infection. But first our vet wants to find the specific bacteria causing the infection and target that with the exact, right antibiotic. So for now, we will again have to wait, which is extremely annoying but it seems that's the only option at the moment.

Charlie tested in the reds so we gave her insulin tonight. Under sedation, that was the EASIEST blood test we have ever given. The only good thing about this day!

Jill
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet now sedated, PMPS 430

I have no answers for you. Can you click on the ?, and type "Question" in your subject line so that someone with more experience can find your condo and help answer your question?

Wishing for Charlie to feel better very soon. :YMHUG:
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet now sedated, PMPS 430

Thank you Angela. Charlie's PMPS came out at 430 so we gave her .75
We had to make a call as it is 7:15. I hope it is the right one. We will be around all night to watch the observe our sweet, tired old girl and test so we will be posting.
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet now sedated, PMPS 430

Because anesthesia can lower the BG, although it doesn't seem to have, yet, I would try to get a test or two tonight. Maybe start with a +3?
I'm sending some healing vines and feel better wishes to Charlie.
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet now sedated, PMPS 430

Just stopping by to send vines...poor sweet Charlie, and poor you. It is definitely so heartbreaking to watch our babies be scared. I hope all of you are feeling better by now... :YMHUG: ...
 
Re: 8/13 Charlie AMPS 302, +2 344 Vet now sedated, PMPS 430

That is very distressing to see Charlie sedated. Thinking of you and hoping she is feeling better.
Liz
 
I have to laugh after re-reading my subject heading. It said, "vet now sedated".

Even after all our bad experiences with vets, we don't hate them so much that we sedate them! :lol:

That's fatigue setting in.

+3 is at 347. Charlie's in the pink.
 
Re: 8/13 CharlieAMPS 302+2 344Sedated after vet PMPS 430 +3

Wow Jill, just read Charlie's profile. That was some story of how you got her. What a lucky kitty to have had you rescue her like that.
Okay, your sneaky friends snuck her on you, :lol: but you are the one who kept her and loved her all these years. cat_pet_icon
How awful for you to see her sedated like that. Tomorrow I bet she's good as new. :-D
 
Re: 8/13 CharlieAMPS 302+2 344Sedated after vet PMPS 430 +3

I know how you feel because I had to have both my cats sedated as we once had a vet who came to the house..He would have to catch them & sedate them to even examine them!!! I used to be soooo upset, but some how we got through it..The sedation lasts a few hours, I used to put them in one room so they wouldnt stumble around the house & that really upset me..When Moonie got FD we started to be taken to vet's office & eventually I took her brother there too..It was much easier, and the vet techs were well trained in assisting in all those things..It always hurts to see our furbabies struggling or getting medical things done, but we must do them...Hopr Charlie's tests show the problem & it can be easily fixed..
Have a good night!
 
Re: 8/13 CharlieAMPS 302+2 344Sedated after vet PMPS 430 +3

Thank you guys for those comforting words. We hope she will get some rest tonight so tomorrow can be a day of recovery. She seems a bit sore after all of the poking and prodding to try and take blood. Tomorrow is another day.
 
Re: 8/13 CharlieAMPS 302+2 344Sedated after vet PMPS 430 +3

Jill:

I want to encourage you to get some clarification from your vet. When a cat is on an antibiotic for a UTI, the cat should be off of the antibiotic for roughly 2 weeks in order to get valid results from a C & S. The presence of an antibiotic can give you a false negative result. In addition, it takes 2 - 3 days to get a preliminary read on whether the culture is growing bacteria. It can take several more days for full results. The time frame of 10 - 12 days sounds prohibitively long.
 
Re: 8/13 CharlieAMPS 302+2 344Sedated after vet PMPS 430 +3

What a dreadful day for both of you, sorry you went through all that at the vet! As you said tomorrow is another day. Sending positive thoughts to you and Charlie cat_pet_icon
 
Re: 8/13 CharlieAMPS 302+2 344Sedated after vet PMPS 430 +3

We hope that Charlie will have a better day tomorrow (you, too!). Sending lots of healing vines to your girl,

Ella & Rusty
 
Re: 8/13 CharlieAMPS 302+2 344Sedated after vet PMPS 430 +3

I hope, too, Charlie will be feeling better tomorrow and sending some vines for your sweet boy. My Ga kitty reacted the same way at the Vet and had to be sedated, and it is very upsetting. Is Charlie walking okay now and more himself?
 
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