7/6 mocha pmps 51 +2 67 +3 52

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PeterDevonMocha

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WCR: just kept increasing last night right back up to her usual pink amps number. So do we hold her here forever because every three or four days she throws out a green number? When do we increase?

On another note ... for roughly the last 5-6 days mocha has decided she wants to poop outside the litter box. Right in front of it. This normally happens either within a 1/2hr of us going in the bedroom with her at night, or sometime way later in the middle of the night, between 4 and 6:30 roughly. There is nothing wrong with her poop, it is not diarrhea, or soft. It is what we would find in the box, if she so chose to use the box. She has done it consistently every single night and one time during the day. She is not constipated because it is her normal amount of poop.

We can't really afford to take her to the vet just cause she is pooping, but not in the box. It is really frustrating me because I can't think of any reason why she continues to do this, other then for just being naughty because she is mad she is locked up at night. But then I don't know why she did it once during the day when she wasn't locked up. Her boxes are cleaned every single day and fully changed out every single week. She has two to choose from and they are the same boxes she has used since she was a kitten in the same spots. Nothing has changed other then the fact she poops outside of them now!

Mocha used to do that every once in awhile when she had diarrhea but these are her reg. poops. I just don't know what to do anymore.
 
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Well, it's a low pink, isn't it? I hope she will pass the yellows and go straight to some nice blues today. As wondering what you fed her last night at PMPS time? Did you feed any karo at all lately? just wondering...
I was just thinking the same thing in Shadow's condo...an increase is not indicated when they are throwing some greens and blues.
They both do that ya know....give a green and a blue or two just when you want to increase....wondering what the smart people will tell you.
As far as the pooping is concerned...well, someone once told me that cats do not do anything that is spiteful and that it is a reason for a vet visit. I am not so sure about the spite thing. I have read too many things that make me wonder if they do these things simply out of spite. I dunno. Again, I hope someone knowledgeable comes along and gives us some info on that... (cats are just so fastidious and fussy about things...I can't imagine that they just forget to use the LB...that's MHO. I wish they could just speak English!) :YMSIGH:
 
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Good mornging Devon. Sorry to hear that Ms. Mocha is doing her doody outside of the box. I'm going out on a limb here and saying that she is showing you just how much she hates to be locked up at night. Sounds like this is a behavior thing to me.
Can't give to much feedback on the dose, tho...sorry.
 
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Could it be a matter of aim? If I've got too much litter in the box, on occasion Gabby has pooped outside of the box. When I've been in the bathroom to see what's happening, it's been a matter of her being too close to the edge of the box. If Mocha is squatting in the middle of the floor, that's a different issue.
 
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Sounds like a behavior thing to me.. don't know for sure. Mannie will do this if he doesn't like the condition of his box - too dirty etc. I wish you luck with this one.

can't give any insight on the dose thing - you are getting blues and greens - maybe just hang tight?

Have a good day today - hoping for lower numbers for mocha today.
 
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thanks everyone, but mocha is definitely squatting outside on the floor, directly in front of her box. There is no doubt she is not even attempting to get in the box. I have thoroughly scrubbed the floor where she is doing it, because its almost always in the exact same spot but that isn't helping. I thought she was doing this to get back at us for keeping her locked in the room all night, but she has been doing that for a year, without this happening. And she did it once during the day only about an hour after I scooped her boxes! She is still using the box to pee in so she didn't forget what it is for. And she is not doing it in front of her other box. I told peter that I am beyond frustrated with this cat. I hated to bring this up because I don't want people to think we live in a house where cat's just feel as though they can randomly poop anywhere they want ... well, I guess that IS the case, but it isn't because the house is dirty! Plus I also know that we can't afford to take her to the vet and I was nervous everyone was going to say take her to the vet ...
 
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I was going to say maybe arthritis setting in, but I see Mocha's profile says she only 6 years of age. Siamese can be moody. Is she upset about anything? Any changes, etc?
 
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sorry to hear about the poo problem. Could it be Mocha's bowel movements hurt her? Have you witnessed it? Has she meowed or anything. Could be a reason. Maybe add some pumpkin to her diet and see if it helps. You can also try pushing the box forward to the spot she is pooping on and she what she does then.
Hope it isn't anything serious and it works itself out.
 
Re: 7/6 mocha amps 317 +7 91 +9 62, food question (long)

I don't think mocha is in pain when she goes to the bathroom, we never hear her yelp or howl out like she is in pain. I don't know if mocha is upset about anything. Our bedtime routine has been the same for over a year now, but not long ago she started pawing at the bedroom door all night long. I don't know why she want's out so bad but lately we have been putting pillows up in front of the door. Maybe she is mad about that? I honestly can't remember if she started going to the bathroom before or after she started pawing at the door or even before or after we put the pillows in front of the door at night. But I try to keep in mind that one morning after I scooped her boxes she decided to go right there in front of her box, so even though it only happened once, I cannot say for certain that this is a nighttime only thing.

Anyways, I have a question about mochas food. I had been feeding her roughly every 2-3 hours, just small meals, about 1/16th of a 5.5oz can of special kitty during the day, and at breakfast and dinner and at her PM +3 she got a 1/4 can of it, and through the night she got 1/8th of the can, every 1 1/2hrs up until 2 hours before her amps.

Someone mentioned that smaller meals might help her numbers and we have been doing that for awhile, with no real drastic change. Then someone else mentioned that maybe I should cut back on the food and only feed a few times a day. So lately I have been trying real hard to only give her a 1/4 can for breakfast, and then wait till her +4 and give her 1/8th of the can for lunch, and then around her +8 do another 1/8th of the can and then at dinner she got a 1/4 can. Her nighttime meal feedings did not change and I'm wondering if perhaps they should? Should we try to feed her dinner like normal, and then wait to feed her till her PM +4, PM +8 and then breakfast the next morning? Is that a smart thing to do with an unregulated cat? I don't want to skimp out on her feedings because I know she isn't using the food properly, but I don't want to overfeed her either. I wonder if her amps numbers are so high because of how much she eats at night? Im just looking for anything that might help her morning numbers ...
 
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Devon,

I'm not too sure what's going on with the litter box and the "bugging" you at the door, if it's any comfort, Luna always does the door "bugging".
Often times, he just wants to sit with us and be part of the gang. In the mornings, if the door is closed, he does it cuz he wants breakfast. If the door is open he just walks all over me, brushing my hair and whispering "now?" in my ear. Seriously, his meows sound like "now?" lol!

But anyway, I hope you can get to the bottom of the litter box issue.

As for the feeding, you know I did all those experiments for up to 3 months before I got it nailed down. And I know by seeing your SS, that you have been at it for a while now. You're tracking everything you can, it's frustrating, I know!!
At one point I was feeding a little more, a little less, until it finally began to show in the numbers. Wasted a lot of food and went thru a lot of food.
For a while, I felt I was feeding too much, he got plump around winter, so back to the mathematics of how much to feed.

I see you are giving a snack around +8, I tried that too, worked a little, but not enough for him.
Have you tried around +9 lately? Sometimes I would do a +9.5 as well.

I think also, these snack times and numbers will vary as you paddle along, so to speak. I hope this might help, I'm gonna look at your SS again in case I missed something.
You might want to send Jill a PM to have a look too, ok?
 
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thanks for the response ronnie .. let me know if you see anything on her SS cause I can't seem to make any sense out of it.

Tonight after mochas +9, I retested her at +10 and she was at 42 so I fed her 1/8th of a 5.5oz can of MC, and retested her at +11, where she stayed at 43 so I gave her another 1/8th of MC and waited till her pmps, 45 min. later. Right now she is reading 49 so we will not feed her and retest at 8 p.m.
 
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HI Devon, sorry I can't give you any dose advise. It's frustrating all this testing, jiggling of meals, ups and downs and worrying about the lows. We gotta hang in there though. As for the pooping issue....could something have scared her one time when she was making a deposit in the box? I'm asking that because one time my angel kitty Munchie was in the box and Riley attacked her and scared her out. After that, she would poop right next to the box, but not in it. The experts say that being scared while going in th ebox can cause a litter box aversion, so that's what happened to Munchie. I tried everything and nothing got her back in. I finally just tossed the box and went out and bought a brand new covered one to try and that solved the problem. Maybe a change in the box might get Mocha back on track. There is also a litter called Cat Attract which you can add to your regular litter that actually attracts them to the box. Might help entice her back in. And failing all that, wee wee pads under/around the box at least will help keep your floor clean.
Good luck with this and the BG's!
 
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well we went ahead and shot that 51. She's on an upward climb. We fed her MC for her dinner. Will retest often.
 
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I don't think there's one right strategy for feeding. I was feeding Gabby at PS, +4 and +6. With all of her bouncing, Jill suggesting loading the food on the front of the cycle. So she gets 1/4 of her food at PM, +1, +2, and +3. I've also been giving her a snack at +8 or +9. It's really a trial and error process and Jill is great at looking at SSs and looking at how food can factor in. I think right now, Mocha's feeding schedule may need to be different for each of the AM and PM cycles. I'd second Ronnie's suggestion to PM Jill.
 
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Devon I was going to suggest you get a new box also.
I did have this problem with Putty about a year ago. He would pee in the box but not poop. I bought a new box but moved it away from the original spot. I moved it back a little each day until it was back to the original spot. He has never pooped outside the box since.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
I don't think there's one right strategy for feeding. I was feeding Gabby at PS, +4 and +6. With all of her bouncing, Jill suggesting loading the food on the front of the cycle. So she gets 1/4 of her food at PM, +1, +2, and +3. I've also been giving her a snack at +8 or +9. It's really a trial and error process and Jill is great at looking at SSs and looking at how food can factor in. I think right now, Mocha's feeding schedule may need to be different for each of the AM and PM cycles. I'd second Ronnie's suggestion to PM Jill.


That's our schedule too. Loading the food early for the first three hours.
Altho I do like the +9 snack, I can push it 1/2 hour before or after (+8.5 and +9.5) we hang out around there.

Miriam's idea on the box sounds good. Hopefully things will get back on track for you guys! cat_pet_icon
 
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