7/27, Susie, 116 AMPS, 71 @+, 36 @+2, 56 @+2.2, 57 @2.7

Summer and Susie (GA)

Summer and Susie (GA)

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Are pH and Protein (in urinalysis results) tied together? In other words, if I could get Susie's pH number down, with a supplement, would that also help with her high Protein amount? Maybe they are totally unrelated.

I see some supplements on the Internet that claim they can lower a cats pH. Has anybody had any success with any of these? Does anyone know of any "natural" way to make a cats urine more acidic?
 
Susie dropped to 36 this morning at +2. I fed 1 TBLS h/c with a blob (small) of honey. Tested again 20 minutes later (+2.2) and she was up to 56 so the TBLS of h/c and honey did its job. Testing again at at +2.7. Will decide if I need to feed, and what to feed, at that point.
 
Mandy & Rex said:
Well.. Susie heard me say 2u is a good dose and decided to make me regret saying those words. Since you saw 30's, you need to reduce to 1.75u.

Keep testing. She hasn't hit her nadir yet.
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I know. I have to go out soon for about 30-40 minutes to pick up an important prescription for my Mom. I'm just trying to get Susie up and out of the 50s before I leave. I'm getting ready to check her again in about 10 minutes then will check to see if the prescription is ready before I leave.
 
So sorry you have to reduce the dose, it did seem that 2U was working well for Susie. Hope she will continue her progress in the same way on 1.75 :bighug:
 
Pamela & Amethyst said:
Easy does it pretty girl:D:D:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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She has been so sweet this morning. Didn't act differently at all when she was down to 36. Really purry and even got on to her testing site a couple of times all by herself. I always give her a lot of attention and scratches when I am testing or shooting and also the occasional treat. Have a great day, Pam.
 
Summer and Susie said:
Thanks, Marina. I had been thinking that I needed to increase - maybe to a fat 2. I don't think she is going to do well on a reduction.
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Don’t be too disappointed, Susie has surprised in the past, maybe it will happen this time as well :) as an idea, one thing that you could do next time if she drops so much between preshot to +1 is to start feeding MC even if she is in good numbers still, the worst that could happen is you would “tank” that cycle but it would give her a bit more time on the dose.
It’s difficult though, with that 36 she clearly wanted off this dose … this constant feeling of experimenting and guessing… :rolleyes:
 
tiffmaxee said:
Here’s a link to tanyascrf and info on proteinuria. This site gives you everything ckd related.
https://www.felinecrf.org/proteinuria.htm
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Thanks, Elise. I just started reading the article but clicked on a link entitled "early detection". In this link is a statement about Renal Tech. It is a tool developed by Antech to predict ckd. My labs, which were done by Antech, state "9981 Renal Tech Prediction Negative. This patient's current RenalTech status indicates that it will not develop chronic kidney disease within the next 24 months with greater than 95% accuracy". Shouldn't this be of some reassurance to me?

I'm not saying I don't need to speak to my vet about potential proteinuria. I called and left a message yesterday. My normal vet is on vacation so I asked to have another vet return my call. I have not heard back yet.
 
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Marina & Chico said:
Don’t be too disappointed, Susie has surprised in the past, maybe it will happen this time as well :) as an idea, one thing that you could do next time if she drops so much between preshot to +1 is to start feeding MC even if she is in good numbers still, the worst that could happen is you would “tank” that cycle but it would give her a bit more time on the dose.
It’s difficult though, with that 36 she clearly wanted off this dose … this constant feeling of experimenting and guessing… :rolleyes:
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I agree. I just honestly didn't think she was going to drop much more than the 71 at her +2 and that is why I only fed the l/c. What should have stuck out to me was that it appeared the food had no impact at AMPS. There was no "bump". She did something similar on 7/20 when she hit limes at +1. She was on 2 units then but I was told that we don't do back to back reductions and that it was probably the 2.25 depot still at play. But, when I think about it, I had completely skipped her PMPS shot two nights earlier (7/18). Wouldn't that skipped shot have drained her depot? Thanks, Marina.
 
smorgasbord said:
Wow, quite the drop. Did you expect the HC+honey to raise her more, or was that expected outcome? How much was the blob of honey? 1/4tsp..?
Taking notes for the future ;)
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Hi Joey. I was actually surprised that the h/c and honey raised her that quickly and that much (20 points in 20 minutes) but I was very happy to see it after getting my first (and hopefully last) number in the 30s. Hard to tell how much honey I gave her. I would say it was less than 1/8 tsp. I have a little spout on the top of my honey bottle and I just dropped a bit on the top of her food. Probably close to 1/8 tsp. Remember that the honey will not last long. I have had problems in the past getting her numbers up with h/c so honey is always the best standby to add to h/c food. Your Templeton got some really nice blues and greens yesterday. Joey, do you have a "hypo kit" ready if you need it?
 
So my vet called and I am totally confused. He did not seem too concerned about the high protein but did indicate that I could do a protein/creatinine ratio to the tune of $150. Also said something about an SDMA next time she is in. He did mention that the next time she is in we probably should do a blood pressure test. It was noisy on his end of the line and I could tell he was busy. Not happy with the conversation and really didn't understand much of anything. He pretty much just said that we will check everything again in a month or two. There was mention of blood being in some test that could result in a false positive. I'm just confused. I sort of feel if my vets are not overly worried than I shouldn't be but I know that could be a mistake.
 
smorgasbord said:
Wow, quite the drop. Did you expect the HC+honey to raise her more, or was that expected outcome? How much was the blob of honey? 1/4tsp..?
Taking notes for the future ;)
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I would have fed a little mc, 10% probably, at +1 to prevent a big drop. It’s better to move to hc food when there’s a drop under 50 as it lasts longer than honey.

Congrats on the reduction.
As for the protein in the urine, it can come and go and not be an issue but if it is more than a trace after a second urinalysis I would get a protein creating ratio test I believe that’s the name.

I wrote this before but didn’t hit send. Your vet us absolutely right to fo a recheck in a month or so. The protein might not even be in the urine. My cats’ internist would do the same. Never base anything on one test unless something line bacteria and in infection or something like that which doesn’t just go away on its own.
 
Summer and Susie said:
Hi Joey. I was actually surprised that the h/c and honey raised her that quickly and that much (20 points in 20 minutes) but I was very happy to see it after getting my first (and hopefully last) number in the 30s. Hard to tell how much honey I gave her. I would say it was less than 1/8 tsp. I have a little spout on the top of my honey bottle and I just dropped a bit on the top of her food. Probably close to 1/8 tsp. Remember that the honey will not last long. I have had problems in the past getting her numbers up with h/c so honey is always the best standby to add to h/c food. Your Templeton got some really nice blues and greens yesterday. Joey, do you have a "hypo kit" ready if you need it?
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Thanks for the detailed info, squirreling it away! Yup, food, syringes and syrup oh my.
 
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