7/24 Checkers pmps 417 +3/410

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Re: 7/24 Checkers amps 528 +3/413 +4/450

I'm right w/ you this morning! Ever think of just letting him join you in the shower? I bet he would clear out! :lol: :lol:
 
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Waiting for Dr Dave to call back, as he's going on vacation and won't be around to help next week. He's also booked up thru this week. I wanted to schedule a consult.

Since Checkers has been in decent numbers since 7/13...how worried should I be about today's black?
I wanted Dave to prescribe R insulin, and I can get help here. I don't know if one day of high is deserving of R insulin.

I repeated myself, didn't I?

I discussed this with Dave before, and he didn't want me to spend the money on insulin, for as often as I have to use it.
What should I do?

I can't even guarantee that someone will be available to help, if I should need it. I wouldn't know what to do.
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers amps 528 +4/450+6/524 +8/527~Q about R

Barb, I hope you can get a consult with the vet before he leaves. Those sure aren't pretty numbers for Checkers...I hope you guys figure out what's up (besides his numbers.) :roll: :lol: Hope the day improves for Checkers and hope you have a great day, Barb!

p.s. too funny on the fight over the shower! I NEVER have that problem w/ Shasta.
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers amps 528 +4/450+6/524 +8/527~Q about R

Sorry about the high numbers today. I know Dyana gives J.D. R sometimes. You might want to contact her if you have questions. It would be interesting to see if Checkers jumped out if you turned on the shower. :lol:
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers amps 528 +4/450+6/524 +8/527~Q about R

Hi Barb, Dr. Dave is always good about returning your calls, so I hope he has some answers for you and Checkers. I vote for letting Checkers take a shower with you. :-D Keep us posted. I wish I could do it with Mags.
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers amps 528 +4/450+6/524 +8/527~Q about R

Humulin R usually doesn't require a prescription -- at least in most states.

If you are seriously going to think about using R, I would suggest you consult with Libby, Dyana, and/or Marje. You have to use R safely as it is a very powerful insulin.
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers amps 528 +4/450+6/524 +8/527~Q about R

Thank you for response, Sienne. I have talked to Marje about it, and she warned me it can be very tricky to use.
My word, not hers!

I would not use it without specific instructions from one of the ladies you mentioned. I just want to have it on hand, just in case.
In NY , we need a script for insulin.

I wouldn't know, without specific advice, if it's needed in a day like today, when he's been in the 400's and 500's all day.


I don't know for what reason one would use R? If his numbers are high, for pain, for illness, for kibble raid, for fur shot, for unexplained reasons?
That is why I haven't pursued it. I have too many questions.
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers amps 528 +4/450+6/524 +8/527 +11/437

All insulins? In Ohio, the R and N type insulins are over the counter, though you have to ask for them.
 
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You're absolutely right, Sienne, and BJM. I called pharmacy and was told that the only insulins that do not require a script in NY state, are Humulin and Humulin R.
 
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If you want to test out R, first practice doing even sized drops of water out of a syringe with 0.5 units of water in it. The objective is to be able to consistently draw the same tiny dose - 1 drop, 2 drops, etc. - so you want to know how many drops you can get every time, from 0.5 units. And reminder - the excess insulin is never put back in the bottle (I know you knew that)

R can hit like a tank and drop the glucose like a rock in some cats, so starting with the smallest dose you can measure is a really good idea. Be prepared - have a hypo kit stocked with everything yu might need, just in case he reacts quite strongly.

You'll want to curve how it works the first several times, too.
 
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Dr Dave was very interested in my trying Humulin for Checkers, as he has never used it on a cat. He said that his clients with diabetic cats are no where near as vigilent (my word) as I am about testing.

I think he thinks this will be an interesting experiment. I'll send a report to him, if and when I do it.
Gots lots of questions.

He uses Hum on dogs. He explained how quickly it works and how short acting it is. They use it even once an hour on some dogs. He was referring to dogs in ketoacidosis and very ill.
He has the utmost faith in me, to do right by Checkers. HELLLLLLLP!! :lol:

I promised him, that I would get excellent advice from my support group. I talk about you guys all the time. He knows I would be in good hands. So, I got his 'permission'. I needed him to be in the loop.



I shot Checkers 45 minutes early tonight.
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers pmps 417

I'm glad to see Checks is coming down, and you've got the ball rolling with the idea of using R. Dr Dave is right...Checks is in excellent hands!!! Have a great evening, Barb!
 
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Come on down Checkers, but let's do it very slooooowly tonight.

Interesting condo about R today Barb. It's something I've considered with Neko as it seems it's a tool a lot of acrocat beans use. So I like to hear what others say about it. However, Neko's current style of bouncette's mean it's not a good idea for now. But that could change. :roll: I'll be following your experiment with interest.

vigilent (my word) as I am about testing
Vigilent, I like that! :lol:
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers pmps 417

Hi Barb

The trickiness in using R comes with being able to tell exactly when it's ok to use it. You have to avoid using it when it can overlap nadirs with the lev (or Lantus for Lantus users) and you also have to be careful about using it as the lev onsets just because the first hour or two, it can drop them fast. You want to time it with the onset of the bounce. What you don't want to do is let him bounce a whole cycle and then give it because he's still high. There's too much of a chance he will come down too fast.

If a cat clears bounces in one cycle or, like Tess, their bouncing is unpredictable (e.g. clears in one cycle one time, bounces three cycles the next, etc), then it's more challenging to use and it's probably best to not do so.

The goal is to not bring numbers down but to keep them from going up. You will likely see some drop but the goal would be to stop the increase in BG and see only about a 50-150 mg/dL drop over four hours.

When I was using it with Gracie, I found that, in general, the first hour stopped her from rising or brought her down a bit but by R+2, she could drop alot. And I was only giving 0.1u which is what you need to start with. I can measure it with my calipers most consistently and it is such a small amount that I can barely tell there is any insulin in the syringe. If you find doing a drop is easier for you, you can try that but it's going to be crucial that you dose consistently when you use it.

The other thing that you need to be prepared for is the after effect. Many R users have noticed it. R does not have a depot but it, in effect, stops those counterregulatory hormones and opens the door for the lev to do its job. Almost in every situation where I used it with Gracie, she went lower in the cycle or two AFTER I used it because the bounce was clearing and the lev stepped in.
 
Re: 7/24 Checkers pmps 417

And THAT is exactly why I haven't attempted to use it. Too confusing.
If he starts the day with a 400 something, I can't know that he isn't going to come back down in a couple of hours.

Some days he just keeps going higher and higher, like today, so I can't catch the beginning of the bounce....how can I possibly know that he isn't going to onset as usual?

I'm headed off to bed, as soon as I see him start to come down, usually at +4....within the half hour. *SIGH*

Thanks Marje. :-D
 
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