7/11 Georgia's Simon PMPS 143 Cleo's test results-kidney dis

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Still higher numbers this morning for Simon. Maybe I should go back to good old Friskies which seemed to give him lower bg's. I have been feeding him Wellness because I thought it was better for him, but you never know. My wallet would certainly like me if I switched back to Friskies!

I am going to call Simon's vet today to see about the ear allergies and to decide what medication to put him on. Hopefully, he can help me over the phone and I don't have to make a vet visit today.

My civvie, Cleo's, blood work should be back today or tomorrow. Praying for good results. She seems fine except for the weight loss and lots of drinking water.

Back to work today, although I ended up going into work yesterday to get some stuff done. When it is quiet, I can focus and accomplish so much more. Have a great day, everyone and I'll post an update once I talk to the vet about Simon (and Cleo).

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Sorry about these higher numbers, maybe Friskies is the way to go. I should look into trying some for Tray and see if we have any luck.

Keeping Cleo in my thoughts and prayers. Let us know what the results have to say.
 
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You may or may not remember my posts from a month or so ago, but I'm inclined to think that Wellness drives Trixie's numbers up a bit. However, I can't get her to consistently eat anything else, so as much as I tried, I couldn't completely remove Wellness from her menu. At Christie's suggestions, I've been feeding Trix a 50/50 mix of Wellness and Merrick's BG 96% chicken. She likes the mix, and her numbers seem better to me than when she has straight-up Wellness.

Many thoughts and prayers for Simon's ear allergies, and Cleo's bloodwork results. Have a great day!
 
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Morning Georgia

Sorry about the #'s creeping up and those poor ears :sad: ... food could be a factor I suppose. I hear you on the pocketbook too!
I've been feeding our gang SophistiCat from Petsmart... cheap, by-products (some muscle meat), but lc and no
rice etc. In Canada, Friskies, even the pates, are listing rice as an ingredient :-| They never liked the higher end foods,
which if I'm honest with myself I'm thankful for ;-). +$400 a month for catfood is a no-go... The beans would starve :lol:

Good luck with results on both your kitties.
 
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Hi Georgia, I wonder what is it with some of our kitties having numbers lately. Sorry Simon's ears are still bothering him. Positive thoughts and prayers for Simon's ear allergies, and Cleo's bloodwork results. I hope you have good news with Cleo's bloodwork results, too. Have a good day.
 
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I hope you get Simon's ear allergies figured out and the vet finds you something good to use that doesn't have steroids in it. I've started feeding Leo Wellness lately as well and have often thought that it raises BG levels as well, but we are trying out something other than FF! But still Simon's got a very nice AMPS, even if it is a little high!

Have a great Monday!
 
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Good morning Georgia! I am wondering if the heat is affecting the kitties BGs. Hope the bloodwork comes back ok and that you get the ear issues figured out. That is aggravating, especially for Simon huh?

Have a wonderful day!
 
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Nice start to Simon's day hope you get some answers from the vet on the ear allergy's so you do not have to make a trip in interesting talk about the wellness since thats what Do Lou eats mostly hmmm he does eat a lot of merricks too though
 
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Good morning guys .. nice low blue to start the day for simon .. I hope you can find a food he will eat that won't drive up his BG's .. mocha eats wal mart brand special kitty turkey and giblets .. we switched her from FF turkey and giblets, bigger can's at a lesser cost .. I hope that your civvie's blood work comes back all good .. have a great day guys!
 
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Just got finished talking to my vet about both Simon and Cleo. First, he does want me to try the Zymox with steroid on Simon to try and clear up his ear allergies once and for all. He says the risk of not doing anything outweighs the risk of his bg going up. I'm going to start him on it tonight and will monitor his bg and up insulin as needed during the course of his treatment. If it goes too high, I will definitely call the vet to re-evaluate. Does this sound ok to y'all?

Now to Cleo's test results. Unfortunately, she has kidney disease. I want to ask you your opinion about vet's advice.
Her BUN is 60 and the vet says normal is around 36
Her creatine is 3.3 and normal is less than 2.4.
She has diluted urine.
Vet is going to run another test to check the protein to see how much protein she is losing.
Cleo's blood pressure is normal which is good.

Vet says that her kidney disease is probably what he considers moderate. He wants her to switch to an all canned food diet (already did that when Simon was diagnosed--yay!). He also wants her to start taking 5 mg. of prilosec every day and also to think about doing subq fluids. The fluids are not something I have to do right away but he wants to be proactive because once a kitty has a BUN of 70, they should definitely be getting subq fluids 2x/week.

Does all this sound right to you? I know are lots of experts on this site that have experience with kidney disease so I would appreciate any help or advice. Thank you!! I am not doing great today with the news about the kidney disease. I knew something was wrong with Cleo but not expecting this.
 
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Damn :sad: So sorry, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear.

Vet seems to be on top of it (no expert here).
There's a ton of info available, and I'm sure you'll get expert help here at FDMB.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that Georgia! :cry: I hope the path you have going forward helps Cleo.
 
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Georgia:

I hope Simon's ears clear up. Did you ask your vet about topical cyclosporine? I know Christie used it for Willie and I use it for Gracie's eyelids; I don't know if Simon has something that would respond to cyclosporine. The only caution is that it does suppress the immune system so if the cat has herpes virus, it could bring it out but we've had no issue. It has to be compounded. If you are interested, let me know...I can give you the name of the company. They are fast. If it is an allergy, the cycolsporine might not be the best thing.

I'm so sorry to hear about Cleo. First, I would not give the prilosec. If you need to give her something for tummy acid, the standard is Pepcid AC 10mg and you give 1/4 before bedtime. Be sure you don't get Pepcid complete. It tastes nasty so I use pill pockets. I make sure I feed my renal kitties late at night so they have something to absorb the acid and then the last thing they get before we go to bed is the pepcid. However, if she is not vomiting clear, foamy liquid first thing in the morning, she might not need it yet. You could start EOD on it if you wanted to start it now.

Second, I would be giving fluids every single day. My kitties renal values are not as high as Cleo's and we do squids every day. The best thing is for the cat to get it's fluids from drinking water but when they can't keep up, the squids are necessary. Alot of vets don't start until they get to a creat of 3 but in the CRF group, they are clear that it's better to give a small amount every day then to give a larger amount EOD or twice a week. If you haven't looked into it, the CRF group on yahoo is outstanding...lots of really smart people. The other incredible resource is Tanya's comprehensive site on CRF at the following link:
Tanya's Comprehensive Website on CRF

This is considered by the CRF group to be the "gold standard" on CRF info...it is absolutely amazing. I have learned so much!

A few things:
1. It's MUCH cheaper to buy the LRS by the case at Walgreens; if you have their pharmacy card, it is $22/12 1000-ml bags; most vets charge you $15-20 for one bag. My Walgreens gets it in one day.
2. It's much better to use a smaller gauge needle than the vets usually give you. They like the harpoon sized 18g because the fluids go faster. My cats are extremely patient and see it as a bonding time so I use 21g needles. I buy the Terumo Ultra Thin Wall 21g from thrivingpets.com. Takes longer but much more comfy and you don't build up as much scar tissue. I keep my needles in the freezer...it really does help minimize the "stab".
3. If you've never given squids, there's a great website....
Sophia gets her Fluids

There's alot to learn but you can do it slowly. I would be sure I take a look at her phosphorus level. Alot of vets neglect this because if the cat is in the "normal" range, they don't worry about binders. However, normal includes kitten values which are much higher than adults. She should be around 4 on her phosphorus. My cats will not eat a low phosphorus diet and so I use a binder (aluminum hydroxide) sprinkled on their food to keep their phosphorus levels below 5. It's tasteless. I've been surprised at the number of vets who do not know about it...they want to give the old stuff which tastes horrible (can't think of the name right now). It's also important to keep an eye on her potassium, calcium, HCT, HGB as a start.
Her urine specific gravity (USG) will get lower if you give fluids but if you keep everything else balanced, it would be lower on my list to worry about.

Hope I haven't overwhelmed you. Linda (Bear Man) is also very knowledgeable about CRF. PM me if you have any questions.
 
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Marjorie, thank you so much for all the information. Wow -- it is a little overwhelming! I'm going to PM you to ask a few more questions. I am definitely going to check out the websites you mentioned. It is hard to process everything right now but will be better able to cope once I get home from work.

Thanks everyone for your well wishes.

Oh, I forgot to mention: When I told my co-workers about Cleo's diagnosis, one of them (Ms. Negativity is what I call her) told me her cat was diagnosed with kidney disease and she had to put him to sleep right away. I told her "thank you for those nice words of encouragement"! Can you believe some people!!
 
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I'm sorry to hear about Cleo's results. I know it is all overwhelming at the moment. You seem to have a very proactive vet though, which is great. And I know you'll be getting alot of great help and support from this board.

Hugs
 
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Too bad mrs negativity doesn't get kidney disease so she can be put to sleep. Some humans just suck.
 
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Hi Georgia, so sorry to hear of Cleo's diagnosis. Maggie has Stage 2 kidney disease. Her creatinine is 2.6, and we haven't started her on fluids yet. Marje was so helpful to me with questions on Maggie and also gave me a wealth of info, and it is overwhelming at first. The Tanya's website is excellent for learning about it. I still have a lot to learn, so I'll be on the same sites as you and will be joining the Yahoo group eventually. Glad you got some meds for Simon's ears, and he will soon start feeling better.
 
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Karrie and Maverick said:
Too bad mrs negativity doesn't get kidney disease so she can be put to sleep. Some humans just suck.
Karrie, I couldn't have said that better myself!. Why can't people just keep their mouths shut if they don't have any thing useful or nice to say?
Georgia, I think your a wonderful bean and Cleo and Simon are so very lucky to have you in their lives. You most definitely have a great group of people here to help you and support you in any way we can.
Hugs and healing vines to your furbabies :YMHUG:
 
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Thank you everyone for your caring words and support. I'm so glad I have you since it seems like I will get no support from my co-workers. Karrie, I loved, loved, loved, your comments about Ms. Negativity. It made me laugh so hard but of course I couldn't say what I was laughing at since she was right in the next room!

I wish I could go home and do some research on CRF but I'm off to my book club tonight. At least I will be able to have a glass of wine to help me relax from this stressful day.
 
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I'm sorry to hear about Cleo's diagnosis. I was going to suggest Tanya's group but Marje beat me to it. In addition to Linda, the other person who is knowledgeable about CRF is Carolyn/Latte. You can either PM her or contact her via the LL Facebook group.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
I'm sorry to hear about Cleo's diagnosis. I was going to suggest Tanya's group but Marje beat me to it. In addition to Linda, the other person who is knowledgeable about CRF is Carolyn/Latte. You can either PM her or contact her via the LL Facebook group.

Hi Georgia
I am sorry to hear of Cleo's diagnosis. I have had two cats with renal disease (they have both passed away, but not from the renal disease). Marje has given you a lot of very good info. The best thing I can suggest is that you start reading the link that Marje gave you for Tanya's CRF website. Don't try to digest it all at once! It's a source that you can browse and revisit over and over, and you will take away a little more each time. The learning curve for CRF is equal to, if not greater than, the learning curve for FD. You will feel overwhelmed at first. Take it in baby steps.

Another excellent resource here for CRF was WCF and Meowzi. She is not on the board too much these days, but keep her name in the back of your mind for future reference. I do not consider myself an expert on CRF at all, even after dealing with it for years in my cats. I am sorry that I have not had an opportunity to look back at your condos to read some background on Cleo. I am a bit swamped at the moment, but I will look in again, and you are more than welcome to PM me with any questions.

By the way, I did use Losec (Canadian brand of Omeprazole) on Bear Man, but I used the Pepcid AC (actually I used the injectable form of the Famotidine) on Emily, and it was very effective, so Marje's suggestion was good. Omeprazole does have some potential side effects. CRD (aka CRF) kitties can get upset stomachs from the toxins in the bloodstream, so it (the Pepcid) is a helpful medication. How was the potassium level? That is something that is worth supplementing when it is in the low normal level. As far as diet, you will hear a lot about phosphorus levels and protein levels, etc. You are doing a good thing with not feeding dry. Down the road, you can research a bit more about diet, taking into consideration Cleo's phosphorus levels, and what Marje said about phosphorus binders.

The test for losing protein... possibly a UPCR? If it is the newer ERD test, I am not as familiar with that one. There will be more to read in that area after your vet has done that test.

You are probably figuring out now that there is a lot to learn about. The main thing is that it does not all have to be done all at the beginning. It sounds like you are working with a good vet. This will be a process. Your cat can live a very good life with renal disease. You will have to keep your eye on a few things, but the disease is manageable.
 
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So sorry to hear about Miss Cleo's diagnosis, but just as you've learned the sugardance with Simon, you'll be a CRF pro for Cleo in no time! Thus far, Willie's kidneys have been doing well (knock on wood), but I've been feeding him lower phosphorus foods to support them as much as I can. Merrick BG Turkey and Blue Wilderness Duck are two varieties of FD-friendly foods that are much lower in phosphorus than their counterparts... you'll likely find others on Janet & Binky's list as well. You don't necessarily need to feed as a primary food (especially if using a binder), but if you're not finding a lower cost option low in phosphorus, then perhaps you can mix? Would still bring down phosphorus levels some, but allow for taste and cost as well!

Definitely going to be flagging this post with all Marjorie's helpful links! I suspect we'll be headed down that road in the future....

((hugs)) to you as you feel your way through!!
 
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Hope Simon starts coming down for you-
Sorry to hear about your dear Cleo, but many peeps here successfully manage kidney disease, and I am sure you will also...We have tremendous knowledge here at our fingertips..AND we all care about you & your furbabies..You are a great bean & I know they will both be better with your love & care--Hugs from us!!
 
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i'm not anywhere near as knowledgeable about kidney disease as the other ladies who have posted but did want to add that my Kitty lived with kidney disease for a little over 2 years. she got meds, lower phosphorous foods, and binders, but no fluids until her last week or so. to me i handled it just like the diabetes diagnosis for Mousie. i read, took notes, asked questions, and leaned on others for support. easier said than done today i know but go have fun at your book club tonight and tackle this tomorrow
 
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Hi Georgia - there is little I an add to what has already been presented.. it has been a while since I have had to deal with this, I think you have received alot of very goods information from several in the know people. Take time to digest it all... it must be overwhelming.

I am sorry for the DX, but I know too that with proper care Cleo can be Cleo for a long time to come.

I too loved Karrie's comment - so true. So, for tonight - go and enjoy your book club, beans need bean time too!
 
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I need to go to bed right now, but I just wanted to thank everyone again for all of your posts. What a great group of amazing people!! You have made today a better day for me. Sweet dreams!
 
Re: 7/11 Georgia's Simon PMPS 143 Cleo's test results-kidney

I have had experience with CRF kitties myself. You have been given some excellent advice here and support. Many prayers for your furkids and your efforts to care and love them.

May you and your furkids sleep safe and well.
 
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