5/26 Chuck 404 PMPS; 454 +1; 283 +2; 194 +4

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So far, and I know it's early, I'm not impressed with the BGs on PZ. After 60+ hours with no insulin, a 30 minute truck ride in the kennel, and adjusting to a completely foreign environment (travel trailer vs 2500 sq ft house), his BG was 418. At pre-shot this morning, it was 343 -- and that's the lowest it's been all day. 1st shot was 1/2U...

+2. 382
+4. 411
+6. 424

Shouldn't he be going DOWN?

Can I pre-fill PZ syringes? I'd only do one, probably the 5 a.m. one, so it would be refrigerated overnight.

We're trying out a hot spot this weekend, so I'll be able to post his numbers as they occur. I'm using my iPad and am not used to the keyboard, so please excuse any typos I might miss..
 
Re: 5/26 Chuck 1st day on PZ; going up

A search on FDMB found this comment:

Gator & H (GA) said:
The only time I have pre-filled any, I took them on a road trip. After going through a couple mountain passes at the end of the trip I found I had air bubbles in the syringes - and thus slightly less than I had started with. It was no big deal for us since I had purposely filled them with extra [so I could take the pre-fills and not compromise the whole bottle]. But anyway, I'm pretty sure the loss of insulin was due to the pressure changes but I cannot be certain about that.


http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/rl_DSL/Publications/06016.htm This doc has a list at the end and only specifically excludes Lantus, Levimir and Apidra from being pre-filled in a syringe.

Remember to store the syringe needle side up to prevent clogging and roll the needle to remix the PZI before you shoot.

More info from another website:

For some insulin products, pre-filling insulin syringes for use in the next few days has been a standard practice in some settings. However, at least one insulin (Lantus, AKA insulin glargine) becomes cloudy by day 3 and hence the manufacturer “does not recommend prefilling syringes with Lantus and storing for any period longer than needed for application.” (See How Long Should Insulin Be Used Once a Vial is Started?).



Prefilling syringes with insulin has been commonly done in some settings, such as when a home health nurse or aide is visiting a blind person with diabetes every-few-days. There’s a long discussion from Medicare online that spells out that “An adequately trained home health aide could make intermittent visits, usually on a weekly basis, to the home for the purpose of filling that supply of insulin ordered by the physician.”



Several thoughts to minimize the possibility of problems:
Set an upper limit on the number of days worth of insulin that you pre-fill. There’s no science behind the number that I’m aware of, but I’d suggest a week or less. One website has several tables listing storage conditions for insulin for various insulin products; the table titled “Maximum Storage Conditions for Syringes Pre-drawn or Vials Premixed” indicates some products are stable up to 30 days if refrigerated, and others discourage pre-drawing.
Store the preloaded syringes in the refrigerator, both to preserve the potency of the insulin and to help decrease the very remote chance of bacterial contamination causing bugs to grow in or on the syringes or needles.
If you give more than one shot per day, be sure the syringes you have preloaded for the different shots are stored separately. I’d suggest you get multiple clear drinking glasses, label them appropriately (e.g., “MORNING shot” and “EVENING shot”) and keep the loaded syringes in the glasses, and keep the glasses in the frig.
If you're going to prefill a syringes with an insulin product that’s a suspension (so-called “cloudy insulin” such as NPH), be sure to periodically remix the insulin that's in the vial as you’re loading the syringes so that the doses are all equally concentrated.
Replace the cap on the needles. No science behind this that I’m aware of but it sounds like a good idea.
Store the capped needle-syringe units in a container with the needle end capped and pointing up (“to prevent insulin from [crystallizing and] blocking the needle opening” according to one website). Again, no science behind this that I’m aware of but it sounds like a good idea.
Before using a prefilled syringe, allow the syringe to warm up for 5 to 10 minutes. Or warm it by gently rolling the syringe between your hands. Not sure there’s any harm in giving cold insulin, but maybe it hurts a bit less if warmed. Also, see next paragraph.
If the syringe had been preloaded with an insulin solution (“clear insulin”), make sure the insulin is still clear before injecting. If there is a cloudy appearance that doesn’t disappear with warming, or if there are clumps of solid stuff, don’t use that pre-filled syringe. Something went wrong, and the solid stuff isn't worth injecting. (Yes, I realize a blind PWD can't do this. But their neighbor or a friend could.)
If the syringe had been preloaded with an insulin suspension (“cloudy insulin”), make sure all of the insulin is still in suspension before injecting. If there are clumps of solid insulin, don’t use that pre-filled syringe as the absorption rate of the chunks of solid insulin from the subcutaneous tissues might be unpredictable – if they get through the needle and into you! (And same comment as previous point - I realize a blind PWD can't do this, although a friend or neighbor could.)

Hope this helps!
 
Re: 5/26 Chuck 1st day on PZ; going up

Prefilling is not recommended but if there is no other choice.

Well, the numbers are not impressive but you know we are going to say to give it a few cycles. :mrgreen:
 
Re: 5/26 Chuck 404 PMPS; 454 +1; 283 +2

And, here's the Chuck I know and love, taking his first PZ nosedive. It will be a long night, I think...
 
Re: 5/26 Chuck 404 PMPS; 454 +1; 283 +2

You wanted lower numbers, Mom...... :mrgreen: It's a fast 50% drop but with ProZinc, usually, at about +6, they start to rise. It isn't, usually, the long ride you got with Lantus. Same routine if he gets to the 40 range: test, feed low carb first, retest, if still dropping then higher carb or low carb with syrup, rinse and repeat.

Paws crossed that his drop will be lower on Prozinc and he will have a good smile curve, even if it dips a little in the middle. Good call on the low dose!
 
Re: 5/26 Chuck 404 PMPS; 454 +1; 283 +2

Yikes!
283 / 404 * 100 = 70% drop in 2 hours.
You got your hypo kit available?
You might want to steer the drop a bit by offering 1-2 teaspoons of food.
 
Re: 5/26 Chuck 404 PMPS; 454 +1; 283 +2

I'll test again at +4 and see where he is at that time, and then decide if my alarm will be going off every 2 hours tonight. I wish the U-40 syringes had tenth markings like the U-100 ones. I really don't like guessing at a dose...
 
Re: 5/26 Chuck 404 PMPS; 454 +1; 283 +2

Yikes, it took him a cycle to think about it and decide if he liked it or not. It's going to be a bumpy ride in the beginning.

Post your numbers when you get them.
 
Still nosediving, gave him a couple of Liv-A-Little Chicken treats after the test. He doesn't seem overly hungry now, but would eat the gravy FF if I offered it. He's not low enough for that. If he's still dropping in an hour, I'll offer the FF appetizers he likes.
 
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