5/20 Guinness PMPS 331 (.1uR)|+2.5 283|+4 325

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linda and guinness

linda and guinness

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Good Morning Lantus Land. Let me start out by buying everyone a cup of coffee. ~O) I don't know about you, but I can definitely use one this morning. by Friday I'm so tired, I'm starting to hear voices...mostly meows. @-)

Guinness is starting out in the high floors this pm. Gave him his new 6.0 dose and .25u R.

I posted this at the end of my condo yesterday, but will re=post here:

Received an email back from my vet who wanted to take some more time to think about my questions, but just wanted to get back to me. She did want to remind me that Guinness' ultra-sound showed a slightly inflamed pancreas, so he could be dealing with pancreatitis. He just doesn't have any symptoms of that, so I'm not convinced (I know they mask their symptoms, but I can read my cats pretty well I know when they are "off" and he doesn't seem to be off in that type of way). She mentioned she could do a fPLI test for his pancreas, but they sometimes result in a false negative (isn't anything definitive with these creatures?). I have been reading that sometimes infections in the body can make the pancreas inflamed, but I don't know what could be infected in him. I think she mis-read my question about his post dental x-rays, saying that yes he had full mouth x-rays, but she didn't say "post" so I have to confirm about that. I'm wondering though if the imaging scan of his thyroid (which included his whole head) would have shown an infection in his mouth.

Anyone out there dealing with a pancreatic cat that doesn't show any symptoms? What's the plan of action with a cat like this? Will his BG's ever get under control? I think we are still moving forward with the Insulin resistance test and the acro test just to rule those out, but I really don't know when that will happen.

Have a good day all and here, second cup is on me too ~O)

Link to yesterday's condo
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=43665
 
Re: 5/20 Guinness AMPS 415(.25uR)

Good morning Linda & Guiness! I need those two cups of coffee +1 today. I am running on empty after our poke fest last night.

I hope you get answers from your vet.

Have a great Friday!
 
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I appreciate those coffees, too. I can't answer your questions. You really seem to have quite a complicated situation to deal with. The love you show for Guinness is hard to find. cat_pet_icon
 
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Hi guys .. I don't have any answers about pancreatitis .. I think it's a good plan to go ahead with the other tests you had scheduled, just for peace of mind to know what you are dealing with .. now come on down ok guinness?? have a great day guys!
 
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i doubt any x-ray would show an infection . . . but don't really know. surely they ran blood tests, though, and if he had an infection his white blood cell count would be raised.

lots of things to check. i know there are lots of people on here who've mentioned pancreatitis so you might want to change your subject line to get some input from them.
 
Re: 5/20 Guinness AMPS 415(.25uR)|+2.5 344

Thanks for the well wishes all. Feeling a little sad again today for Guinness. He's such a trouper with all the paw pokes and such, but I just wish we had some answers.

The R seems to have brought his number down to a respectable 300, but I can't test again until PMPS, so I really won't know what it is doing in conjunction with his Lantus increase. Hopefully, tomorrow I can get some more solid numbers.

I will hold off on my investigating the pancreatitis at this point. Still not convinced.
 
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Glad to see him coming down, Linda. Poor Guinness..he is such a trooper and so are you.

Our board certified vet radiologist said she has noted on several cats (via U/S) indications of mild chronic pancreatitis with no outward symptoms by the cat. However, I would wonder if a cat even with mild pancreatitis might occasionally be off their food just a tiny bit. If you had the extra $$, I don't know what doing the fPLI would hurt. It's important to fast and it is just one factor to look at; my vet likes to look at the fPLI, U/S, and how the kitty clinically presents. Good luck. Hope you get some rest.
 
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Thanks Marjorie,

I do plan to probably get the test, but the vet thinks it's not very accurate. Guinness is NEVER off his food...it's why I suspected Hyper-T originally because he is always hungry, eats, is still hungry, meows and cries for food, steals food, looks for crumbs under the table, tries to push his brother, Harp, away from his meal. He NEVER turns down food. Even when he was OTJ, he was a ravenous kitty. He very rarely vomits and never acts like he is in internal pain, like sitting in that turkey position. Since those are the classic outward symptoms of pancreatitis, it's hard for me to think he actually could be suffering from that. Plus, it's just a gut thing, but I felt in my gut he was hyper-t and his scintography said "no."

I've been trying to teach him English so he will tell me what's wrong, but it's just not working -- no matter how many chicken treats I give him. Maybe I should try and teach him Cat-onese!
 
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You two are such troopers. You're such a dedicated momma bean, I really hope everything works out to be ok.
 
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Thanks for the double expresso today Linda! I certainly needed it myself!

I sware, everytime you say Guinness' symptoms, hunger, etc. it reminds me of my Smokey before his Hyper-T. Since his meds, he (for the first time since I can remember) actually takes the time to eat his meal instead of eating it like it's his last supper ever! But, I guess that scan doesn't lie...I just don't know with your sweet boy!

Shots are on me tonight!
 
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Your last post is how I know you're going to get through this no problem...you have the best sense of humor...cat-onese :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm really praying hard for you and Guinness, not so much that he gets "fixed" but that you find out why what's happening, is happening. Sometimes that's all that's needed to make the bean feel better. You can only do what you can do, though, Linda. You're giving him the best medical care and loving him all to pieces...and he seems to feel well, right? If we could only figure out the why's and wherefore's....I hate flippin mysteries...they bite!!

I hope you have a great weekend and that Guinness finds his breakthrough...paws crossed!!
 
Re: 5/20 Guinness AMPS 415(.25uR)|+2.5 344|PMPS 331 (.1uR)

I've graduated from coffee to wine this evening! drinking24

Was surprised by the lower 300 at his PMPS, still decided to give the .1u R since I will be here to test. I can tell by his behavior that he's climbing, but I will try and get a +2 and +3 and maybe +4 to see what he's doing.

Lots of crazy numbers across Lantus Land tonight. I raise a toast to all my friends out there with kitties who are FINALLY responding!
 
Re: 5/20 Guinness AMPS 415(.25uR)|+2.5 344|PMPS 331 (.1uR)

there have been some cats here with chronic pancreatitis whose symptoms during a flare were so subtle that the beans had to be VERY attentive to catch them. Sometimes it is literally as subtle as seeing them at the water dish when they don't usually drink water. It's certainly a possibility. The fPLI or Spec-FPL tests are fairly inexpensive, but they are most accurate when the cat is currently having a pancreatitis flare. It can be hard to tell, but high numbers could indicate a flare.

Good luck with the new dose!
 
Re: 5/20 Guinness AMPS 415(.25uR)|+2.5 344|PMPS 331 (.1uR)

Just stopping by quickly to see how you and Guinness are doing. Pretty well by the looks of his PMPS. I was interested to read that you can tell that Guinness is rising in #s because of his behavior. Gus too! There's just a loss of spark or something. Sometimes you have to act on your instincts when it comes down to caring for these kitties. You probably did the right thing in giving the R tonite. Besides, you'll be around to test so Guinness will be OK. You are such a dedicated and loving bean. You're an excellent example of the importance of a good attitude. Have a good night.
 
Re: 5/20 Guinness PMPS 331 (.1uR)|+2.5 283

AMPS 415(.25uR)
+2.5 344
PMPS 331 (.1uR)
+2.5 283

Wow, we hit the 200's! It's been a while. I've missed that lovely hue of yellow.
 
Re: 5/20 Guinness PMPS 331 (.1uR)|+2.5 283

So, if not a spec fPLI, what does your vet think is a more accurate test for pancreatitis? Ultrasound results are quite variable and very dependent on the skill level of the sonographer. Amylase and lipase tests are very inaccurate.

Oh -- love seeing that yellow.
 
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