4/28 Eeyore PMPS+10=360 PMPS=439

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Michele and Esse

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PMPS+10=360
PMPS=439. Shot f2. Evo for dinner...
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Yesterday's condo: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13070

Morning, LL...

Can't help but say it...same "stuff", different day. Still haven't decided what to do with everything, especially since Esse seems to have copied Eeyore and climbed into the high pinks...so not sure what's happening...could be a bad vial, I suppose...

Dunno. Still scratching my head and wondering the best way to deal with this...

Best-
Michele
 
Re: 4/28 Eeyore PMPS+10=360

I was just looking at Eeyore's ss and reading yesterday's condo. I don't know if my story with Noisy will help but I had a similar situation when we started out.

Noisy came to FDMB on 11u BID of Humulin N, his (bad) vet wanted us to go to 13u BID. I found this board and immediately learned that Noisy might be in chronic Somogyi rebound. We got a new vet, switched to Lantus, dropped dose initially to 2u.

(This is the part that might be similar) If you look at the beginning of Noisy's ss, you'll see we bounced around with dose a little. Internally, I was where I think you might be, suspecting that Noisy was still getting too much insulin. I couldn't shake those discussions about rebound. On 12/24/07 I decided to drop Noisy's dose to 0.25u and start over, similar to your idea of an insulin holiday. On Noisy's ss you can see it took me over a month of hard work to make our way back to the 2u I was at before doing my version of an insulin holiday. I don't necessarily feel bad about doing that even if it was the wrong decision. At the time I was learning and was focused on not missing his dose.

I'll never know but it is very possible that if I had not taken my insulin holiday, Noisy would have gone into remission sooner.

I would do things differently now. Jill's observations and advice last night is what I would embrace if I were in your shoes.

P.S. it is much easier to try Jill's (and others) theory, that Eeyore is under dosed, than it is to withhold insulin and start over.

I don't say this lightly -- you CAN lose a cat for a long time (look at my SS) if you pull the dose out of range, which is what withholding insulin could do. I lost Noisy two times, the first one was for the under dosing reason, the second time was different than the first -- when Noise would hit the pinks, he would get big time stuck, I started using early shots to pound away at that issue.

P.S.S. As far as the idea of TID goes -- I don't see any reason why you wouldn't try the easier solution first. I should add I don't have first hand experience with TID but have watched several people have to go through it and it was VERY hard on them. Those cats were much different than Eeyore, who isn't as complicated.
 
Re: 4/28 Eeyore PMPS+10=360

I think that what I'm most worried about is the drastic drops and rises...that's hard on the body, I think, you know? So I'm just trying to find a way to level out the curve a bit; that's all...and I don't really know how to do that.

I did increase him to a f2 last night...we will see in a few minutes if that did anything. He (and the rest of the herd) get their food at 6 a/p, and by half of the cycle, it's mostly gone (judging from what I see when I'm around to feed at 12 noonish). So he's not getting food late in the cycle, because there's none left. LOL.

I have been at, or on some variant of, 2U for a month now. He sees blues/greens all the time at mid-cycle, when I'm here to test. And there's no reason to believe that's not his regular pattern, you know? I am just concerned that we're not seeing a flattening of the curve by this point. And again, I go back to the thought that perhaps, now that he's got good nutrition and has "recovered" somewhat from the dog food and closet, that he doesn't need as much insulin as he had previously, and that I'm sending him into chronic rebound because he doesn't need the insulin as much now that the diet has changed.

Is that completely wrong, or is that perhaps possible? I wonder. I just wonder. I want what's best for him, whatever that happens to be. I just don't know what it is right now, you know?

Best-
Michele
 
Re: 4/28 Eeyore PMPS+10=360

I am not seeing chronic rebound. I mean, I see where you might suspect it and obviously from my SS and story, I know that feeling. I see a kitty who is in Liver Training School (LTS), keep showing him the greens and the liver will calm down. I think the best advice I can give is -- give the f2 a little more time before making a switch in your plan.

I hate to keep mentioning, I know how you feel but I do know this feeling well "I think that what I'm most worried about is the drastic drops and rises...that's hard on the body" -- I felt that way about Noisy being in pink/red for months. This is where learning Lantus time is needed. Lantus needs it's own kind of time -- it sure wasn't my kind of time -- I wanted answers/solutions to his numbers and wanted them right now. There are people here who must remember how hard it was for me to learn to be patient. Lantus beat me into submission, after three months I let go and after reading JoJo and Bunny's story (Bunny who lived in the 300s for 14 years). I stopped needing to fix Noisy on my time and let Lantus do its thing.
I now look at Lantus like I do a force of nature, I can't control it I have to work side-by-side with it.
 
Re: 4/28 Eeyore PMPS+10=360

Michelle,
I'm with them..hang in there. If it was really rebound, wouldn't he stay high for several cycles? His liver is just a slow learner. Take a deep breath, this is marathon not a sprint.
Patricia
 
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