4/13 Sam tested 479 AMPS

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He is been testing on 400's during the morning and 300's durng the day and night.
I usually feed him +9 because he meows a lot by my bedroom door so I get up and feed him a little but I wonder how much of this food that he eats 3 hrs before his shot helps for his bg numbers to be very high.
I'm hoping to get my supplements on the mail today so I can make his raw food tomorrow morning.
I just hate seeing him on reds, I automatically feel like increasing the dose each time this happens!!!
Today will he his 3rd day on 0.5u.
 
Hi Nadja -

I've been a little MIA this week, so without going back and reading your posts from this week, I'm curious. Why did you reduce the dose from 1 to .5? It seemed like, although you had some red preshots, Sam was coming down a fair amt during the cycles. Other than the one time that he appears to have hung out at the dance marathon... most were pretty decent runs. What did I miss?
 
Hi and welcome back!
Sam was getting a lot of black numbers and some were too high for the meter to read it, every day :/
So it was too much insulin.
I ordered supplements to make raw food for him, it should have arrived today which hasn't yet, but I plan on making raw food this weekend so I was advised to reduce to 0.5u so his body gets used to it, because with raw food hopefully he won't need as much insulin.
Cathy shared this awesome link that made me realize he was getting too much http://petdiabetes.wikia.com/wiki/Somogyi_rebound
I don't think 0.5u is enough for right now but hopefully his bg will drop naturally with the raw food if those darn supplements get here today and he won't need as much insulin.
I hope this was a decent recap of the ordeal :mrgreen:
 
I jsut tested him and he is 321 +5. One thing I've been noticing today is that his apetite is the very similiar to when he wasn't on isnulin yet: hungry but not really eating much :/ I'm thinking maybe bcecause the amount the insulin isnt' enough and it's not really working on hs system? I don't know.
 
NadjaAndSam said:
Sam was getting a lot of black numbers and some were too high for the meter to read it, every day :/ So it was too much insulin. ...I don't think 0.5u is enough for right now but hopefully his bg will drop naturally with the raw food
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I know nothing about the raw food diet, so maybe that will make a difference for you - I hope so.

...but I think I would have interpreted his numbers differently - and here's why:

On April 4th & 5th you had mid-red to black numbers. You shot 1u. You got blues and yellows that then rose back up to pink & red preshots. On the days when you didn't get out of the pinks from a red or black preshot, you may have shot a fur shot. When you cut the dose in half, you never got outa the pinks.

We've discussed varying ways of working of using ProZinc here with all kinds of different users. Some people hold the 12/12. Others 14/10. Others TID. Then there's the variation between the AM and PM doses. Then the sliding scale (which I personally wouldn't do until I had LOTS of data to work from).

You've had some marathons - Grayson was KING of the ball for marathons when we first started. I think it was a total of 13 double cycles he danced. The interpretation was the dose was too high, and we cut back. He still continued for a while at lower doses.

If I was dealing with that today, knowing what I THINK I know now, I probably would've adjusted his cycle. My vet told me she would've shot some of those marathons. I was holding to the 250 threshold, and didn't... but by the time he climbed (or I woke up), he was in the upper reds. Now, if I was doing it over today, I'd see how long the dose runs. It may be 9 or 12, or maybe 18 or 24 hours. I would probalby reduce my threshold, having a definitive number at which to shoot - maybe 200, as Grayson has NEVER gone low. It would be different for you.

Now, not everyone can (or should) shoot some crazy time schedule like that... but in theory, maybe he's a 10 hour cat. If you could catch him as he climbs to 250 or another established number, and shoot a consistent dose, you could keep him from skyrocketing to the reds/blacks. That's why Kim's cat Kitty went TID... After 8 hours, the insulin was gone - and her numbers skyrocketed. When she went TID, she was able to keep her in good numbers all day long and at preshots.

I don't profess to be qualified to tell you what you should be dosing Sam at. I just really squirm when I see numbers crossing over 2-3 colors, then a reduction and they barely move one or two.

One last thing that I WILL suggest, if you are (or think you are) having a fair amt of fur shots, (which might be a factor in the red/black cycles) I'd encourage you to shave a patch or two of fur about 1" square, so you can see when you put the needle in. Doing that has helped me tremendously!

Good luck w/ the raw food. I have wondered how my guys would do on it, but I like the convenience of popping a can open and calling it dinner! :lol: Keep us tuned in.

Lu-Ann
 
Thank you Lu-Ann!
I don't think I was fur shooting him when i was giving 1u because the needle is long and I felt it going into his sking but now that I reduced the dose and I'm using the u-100 syringe the needle is so short, I don't like it. every time I wonder if I gave his shot or not BUT I think shaving him a little would really help!
Ok so let me see if I got this right, I don't think think the insulin lasts 12 hrs on him so would I be shooting on a need basis?
I try to keep a 10am/10pm schedule so let's say it's 6 am and I test him but he is already on 200's I would shoot him then? so at night would I should at 10pm also or whenever he is on 200's? SO basicly i wouldn't have a set schedule I would jsut shot him when he is rising? I can try that. I think someone else had mentioned something like taht. I had read pzi lasts between 8-10 hrs too.
I have shot Sam on low 200's as well and he didn't go hypo as I was concerned about.
This thing scan be complicated!
 
I jsut tested him now +7 and he is 361. Would I give his shot now then from what you are telling me? a consistent dose but to try to catch him before he is this high?
 
Sorry, been at work all day.

Lu,, the reduction was done because Sam was started at .5 and was dropping from red PS to green nadirs, and had some really low ps numbers. the dose wasn't held but increased rather quickly in an attempt to deal with bouncy PS's. With the blacks and high PS's last week we wanted to make sure Sam wasn't on too high of a dose and rebounding. Since he's being switched to zero carb also, the hope is we see what that does with the reduced dose and go from there.

Glad you got your supplies, hope the food gives you some changes!
 
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I don't think I was fur shooting him when i was giving 1u because the needle is long and I felt it going into his sking but now that I reduced the dose and I'm using the u-100 syringe the needle is so short, I don't like it. every time I wonder if I gave his shot or not BUT I think shaving him a little would really help!

Ok so let me see if I got this right, I don't think think the insulin lasts 12 hrs on him so would I be shooting on a need basis?

I try to keep a 10am/10pm schedule so let's say it's 6 am and I test him but he is already on 200's I would shoot him then? so at night would I should at 10pm also or whenever he is on 200's? SO basicly i wouldn't have a set schedule I would jsut shot him when he is rising? I can try that. I think someone else had mentioned something like taht. I had read pzi lasts between 8-10 hrs too.
I have shot Sam on low 200's as well and he didn't go hypo as I was concerned about.
This thing scan be complicated!
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My U40s are 1/2" long and my U100s are 5/16". I actually had a slight adjustment to the U100s because they were shorter... then when I went back to the U40s, I was concerned I had done an "in & out" where the needle goes in and all the way through again. Next needle purchase for me will be the shorter ones, but I think that's just a personal preference.

Most of the people I'm aware of, who shoot TID or on a non-12/12 cycle, have a lot of data already before they started doing it. Should you try one of these? I honestly don't know. I would take a long & hard look at my numbers, see where the nadirs are, and when the spikes start to skyrocket, and decide. AND, before I tried anything like that, I'd probably have a conversation with others who DO do it, and see what it took to get them to that decision. But I try not to do things hastily... in my world, you might miss the dose (as I believe I've done), or create more work down the line. I would encourage you to make this decision only after much thought and serious review of your numbers.

Lu-Ann
 
Thanks Lu-Ann!
I think I will give the raw food a try to see if it helps, if it doesn't I will have to find another strategy which might be this one!
Scheduling can be a little hard too. right now I'm mostly at home but next month I will be gone for most part of the day. I really wish he can start to progress!
I was also considering switchign to a different insulin brand in the future but i still have almos 3/4 of my bottle left. I don't know if it's me, the insulin or both :/
I feel bad for Sam :sad:
 
Don't worry, well get it figured out. You have had some over12 hour cycles so don't worry about tid at this point. I think he just needs to settle in and give you a chance to work on the dose. Have fun with the food, I cook the chicken in a 9x13 at 350 for about 15 minutes to seal the skin and kill the germs, then put in cold water to stop the cooking.save the drippings and put them back in the food.
 
Don't worry, well get it figured out. You have had some over12 hour cycles so don't worry about tid at this point. I think he just needs to settle in and give you a chance to work on the dose. Have fun with the food, I cook the chicken in a 9x13 at 350 for about 15 minutes to seal the skin and kill the germs, then put in cold water to stop the cooking.save the drippings and put them back in the food.
 
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