3 days OTJ, now 277 before eating?

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dholowiski

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Tiger Lily has been OTJ since Sunday, with numbers ranging from 80-110. This morning I tested her before feeding her and she is at 277!
To inject or not to inject, that is the question?
It's possible she got into my parents cat's food (not so good dry kibble) and chowed down. We watch closely for that but it may have happened.

I guess I'll do several tests, and if it isn't going down, give her a shot?
 
aww, that's frustrating.

what kind of insulin does she use? i would think she needs a little booster at 277... even if she's producing her own at this point, it's not enough. i don't know how much i'd give her. will you be home today to keep an eye on her?
 
i just noticed that there are other kitties in the house... do they get dry food? is there anyway to switch everyone to tiger lily's diet? we feed fancy feast classic beef to all of our kitties... lulu was getting into the dry kibble and the other kitties wanted to get into the wet food... so it worked out. :-D
 
Yep at 277 you are going to want to shoot, but probably no more than 1u. Just to give here a little help to bring the number down. This may just be a bump in the road for dearest Tiger Lily.

Now is there any chance you can get both kitties switched over to canned? I have 10 but only 1 diabetic, everyone here eats the exact same thing. It helps so we don't have to worry about who ate what. And really even the civies have improved in overall health and appearance on the canned food. If something would happen to my diabetic tomorrow I wouldn't go back to feeding dry, not after I have seen what a regular canned diet has done for the others. I basically free feed them the canned food, I just dole out food 4 times a day. So our herd get fed at breakfast, lunch and dinner and then the last meal is served right before we go to bed...mostly so my siamese will allow me to sleep until 6 am....lol (The siamese are not diabetic, just loud :-D )

Mel & Max
 
I would do a food test on her before giving insulin. Feed and test 2 to 3 hours later. The amount of drop gives you an indication of how well her pancreas is producing her own insulin. If it's a fairly good drop, continue to feed small frequent meals and continue to test every 2-3 hours.

If instead she goes up with the food test, or doesn't drop much, she will need insulin.
 
15 mins after eating she's at 253 (and getting irritated at being poked!) so it's going down. (239 after 1/2 hour)

I have Vetsulin. We were going to switch to something else on Monday but that vet visit was a disaster, so all I have to give her is vetsulin. I am home all day so I can watch her.

I live with my parents & they have a cat... also my sister is her and she has a dog. They both are an dry food with no interest in switching. We keep the food in a conspicuous place and put it up at night. I guess I'll have to figure something better out, but unfortunatley switching them to wet food is not an option.
 
As a workable compromise, if you can't get them to switch to low carb canned, you might try to improve the dry food they use - Evo Cat and Kitten, and Wellness Core run around 10-11% carb. No, its not a perfect solution, but it is an improvement.
 
i'm glad she's going down, that is great news and also shows that she probably did get into the dry food. bummer that the others don't want to switch to wet, but i understand.

i still think giving her just a smidge of insulin could be a good thing. do you know when the vetsulin peaks? looks like it acts pretty quickly. i would be tempted to try and measure out a drop or two. on the u100 3/10 syringes that is below the first 1/2 mark (on the left side) and just barely above the first line that would mark 0 units. then test her in +2hrs.

just a thought. she seems to be going down on her own, but it might help her pancreas to give a little assistance.
 
She's at 165 now 1 hour after eating so I think we're OK for now. I haven't given her any insulin - I'm so nervous about using the vetsulin now that I've read so many bad things about it.

The cat & dog food the other animals have isn't too bad: (20% carb for cat, 35% for dog). Of course, Tiger Lily prefers the dog food!
http://www.championpetfoods.com/acana/s ... lation=gfd (Dog)
http://www.championpetfoods.com/acana/s ... lation=gfc (Cat)
it was a struggle to get them to switch to this, but maybe i'll loook through the company's lineup and see if there's anything lower carb.
 
lol Oh that is familiar here, to the point that I have threatened to put the dog food in the cats' dishes and cat food in the dog's bowl so that when they run for each others dishes they would at least get their own food...lol. Drooler steals cat food and visa versa. Animals! What's a fur mom to do? lol

Mel
 
My Shadoe is VERY sensitive to dry food so the kitty krack that I feed my civvie makes her numbers go through the roof.
I wonder if you can try some dry food that's low carb if the others won't switch to wet.

What about any other issues to explain the high number? Health and teeth and everything ok?

And don't use Vetsulin. Take printouts to the vet showing that clearly vets are not supposed to be giving it to their clients. I don't know what's wrong with these ill informed vets.
 
Gayle and Shadoe: Teeth seem OK (wow checking a cat's teeth is not easy) and health is OK - she's been improving so much in the last two weeks. I suspect she got into the dry food, or she might have even found something else around the house (she loves chips, pizza, crackers, pasta, basically anything high carb!).

MommaOfMuse: We actually tried that (switching the bowls around). The cat figured it out right away. The dog got confused and just sat there looking sad until we changed it back :-D
 
Thanks, I think she's just really sensitive to 'kitty crack' as Gayle and Shadoe called it. She's at 104 now after two hours. I'm also running out of places to poke her ears :)
 
Did you ever post where you live? I ask because you are feeding Acana which is made here in Alberta where I live.

Acana is a good dry food, but dry food really isn't good for cats and not necessarily great for dogs either. I actually asked Champion once if they'd consider making canned food...
 
Woohoo she is almost back to non-diabetic numbers...Sounds like you do have a very carb sensitive kitty if she is dropping this much and you suspect she got into the kitty crack. God I wish I had before and after the food switch pictures of my civies that would allow your folks and sister to feel the change in their coats...Its been amazing. I have one guy here (1 of my 3 meezers) that is 5 years old that up until we switched the food we always thought was just a rough coated cat. Today after a month on nothing but wet he is the softest, silkest cat ever. If they could just feel the difference it would probably be easier to get them to switch. Same to be said for my drooler, he went from a dog with a rough coat, and flaky skin to a shiny boy. He just glistens now in the sun.

If they are concerned over cost I can tell you since I feed a zoo, that it really doesn't run us much more to feed them all canned than it did to feed them a high quality dry with wet in the mornings and evening. I have several that tip the scales at 15lbs + and even they only eat about a can and a half to two cans a day (5.5 oz cans). They eat a lot more until they figured out that I wasn't going to take the new yummy food away in favor of dry. Now they have settled into about 1 can to 1 1/2 cans per day each.

Mel & Max
 
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